the_way
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Post by the_way on Nov 14, 2021 16:55:37 GMT -5
Harris is experiencing the same problem that Akinjo had- they can get past their defenders, but are too small and not bouncy enough to finish at the BE level. Dante will have to look to dish more and initiate contact to draw fouls. True. Not everyone is Joey Brown! The legend!
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Post by hoyafan2014 on Nov 14, 2021 17:29:43 GMT -5
He may look a little bit like Charles Smith, but he is not Charles Smith. He was great last year in the BET. He was the Hoya that you dared to beat you. Other teams prepared for Wahab and Pickett and Bile…….Harris was an after thought….. and he made everyone pay in the BET. Now, if he does not have a good game, we are in trouble.
I think that he can be a good point guard, but it will take time. If his jumper is going in, we will be competitive.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 14, 2021 17:46:47 GMT -5
Harris is experiencing the same problem that Akinjo had- they can get past their defenders, but are too small and not bouncy enough to finish at the BE level. Dante will have to look to dish more and initiate contact to draw fouls. True. Not everyone is Joey Brown! Defenses couldn’t rotate on Brown with Zo and/or Mutombo in the paint. 😉
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 14, 2021 17:48:36 GMT -5
True. Not everyone is Joey Brown! The legend! #44 on the 2007 Hoya list. Underrated!
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Nov 14, 2021 18:37:24 GMT -5
#44 on the 2007 Hoya list. Underrated! Indeed. One of my favorites.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Nov 14, 2021 19:05:37 GMT -5
Three things I see that will help Harris's game: - With his lock-down defense it would go a long way if he could create more turnovers by stealing the ball. - You gotta make your layups if you can't get to the rim - You gotta make your threes and that's not just Harris that's everyone, make your outside shots count
He does a great job, IMO, running the offense and keeping the turnovers down, the freshmen see that and will lean on him for leadership.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 14, 2021 19:06:27 GMT -5
Joey could absorb contact. Tough as nails.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 14, 2021 20:38:54 GMT -5
Harris is experiencing the same problem that Akinjo had- they can get past their defenders, but are too small and not bouncy enough to finish at the BE level. Dante will have to look to dish more and initiate contact to draw fouls. Dante started last year getting many of his inside shots stuffed, but he adjusted and was able to get to the rim with a high glass kiss, or cut to the opposite side to get the net in the way. Saturday against Dartmouth he looked like he forgot that work he did last year. Dante will get there again. When I did a rewatch from a good stream Dante was pressuring and putting up bad contested shots as much as freshmen early. The rim in the first half of Dartmouth game really wasn't friendly to the Hoyas. Agreeing with Iowa that Dante needs to drive and kick more, which he did really well last year.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 15, 2021 9:42:03 GMT -5
He may look a little bit like Charles Smith, but he is not Charles Smith. He was great last year in the BET. He was the Hoya that you dared to beat you. Other teams prepared for Wahab and Pickett and Bile…….Harris was an after thought….. and he made everyone pay in the BET. Now, if he does not have a good game, we are in trouble. I think that he can be a good point guard, but it will take time. If his jumper is going in, we will be competitive. We would all do well to remember that Dante was marginal at best outside of his BET magic. Until that run, Beard couldn't get here quick enough. Not sure which is more maddening - his inability to finish at the rim or his complete lack of awareness thereof. #Pavlovian
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 15, 2021 10:45:39 GMT -5
He may look a little bit like Charles Smith, but he is not Charles Smith. He was great last year in the BET. He was the Hoya that you dared to beat you. Other teams prepared for Wahab and Pickett and Bile…….Harris was an after thought….. and he made everyone pay in the BET. Now, if he does not have a good game, we are in trouble. I think that he can be a good point guard, but it will take time. If his jumper is going in, we will be competitive. We would all do well to remember that Dante was marginal at best outside of his BET magic. Until that run, Beard couldn't get here quick enough. Not sure which is more maddening - his inability to finish at the rim or his complete lack of awareness thereof. #Pavlovian I think you are being too harsh. I would give him the games after our COVID pause last year. He played smarter and within himself. He just needs to get back to that. If he could develop a Markel runner off the top corner that would be good. He also isn't a scoring guard. We need him to get 8 to 14 a game. Rice needs to become less one dimensional and Riley/Muhammad are going to need to score the ball a lot.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 15, 2021 11:39:10 GMT -5
#44 on the 2007 Hoya list. Underrated! Indeed. One of my favorites. That dude had motor for days. I'll never forget his buzzer-beating layup against UConn at the Cap Centre. Church, IIRC went for 20 that night. We were right under the basket and it was awesome.
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Post by pioneeer on Nov 15, 2021 11:52:38 GMT -5
Indeed. One of my favorites. That dude had motor for days. I'll never forget his buzzer-beating layup against UConn at the Cap Centre. Church, IIRC went for 20 that night. We were right under the basket and it was awesome.
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Post by Hoya Rich on Nov 15, 2021 11:53:02 GMT -5
Indeed. One of my favorites. That dude had motor for days. I'll never forget his buzzer-beating layup against UConn at the Cap Centre. Church, IIRC went for 20 that night. We were right under the basket and it was awesome. Big John famously did a little dance after that one.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2021 23:23:33 GMT -5
I saw the hitch that everyone is talking about on his 3pt shot and it's the Curtis Staples 3pt hitch. This was the technique that Staples used to be a 3pt machine at UVA.
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Post by wsdhoya on Nov 16, 2021 23:35:12 GMT -5
Wasn’t able to watch most of the game but did see a very nice assist from Dante. Also saw that he shot it more efficiently but did have 3 turnovers. Did he look more in control of his game and less like he was forcing? How bad were the turnovers?
I like Dante a lot but his measurables and especially his poor efficiency numbers thus far in his career make me skeptical. Hope he can improve over the course of this year similar to last year because he’s a kid who really wants to win and is a great representative of the program.
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Post by conshyhoya on Nov 17, 2021 0:27:03 GMT -5
Wasn’t able to watch most of the game but did see a very nice assist from Dante. Also saw that he shot it more efficiently but did have 3 turnovers. Did he look more in control of his game and less like he was forcing? How bad were the turnovers? I like Dante a lot but his measurables and especially his poor efficiency numbers thus far in his career make me skeptical. Hope he can improve over the course of this year similar to last year because he’s a kid who really wants to win and is a great representative of the program.
One was really bad and out of control. He ran into Carey after a steal or defensive rebound. Completely unforced. One was a miscommunication between him and Carey that would have set up Carey for a open 3 in the beginning so even though it was his turnover I'm not sure it was his. I can't remember the third. He definitely did better job of driving and dishing it out with less forced shots but unfortunately Rice missed at least 2 wide open 3s on those passes. He got bailed out on a few wild drives by getting fouled. He also had a nice drive were he blew by his defender. Overall he looked better offensively and forced it less. Beard looked really good so a mix of them may help take some pressure off of Dante.
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Post by wsdhoya on Nov 17, 2021 2:28:34 GMT -5
Wasn’t able to watch most of the game but did see a very nice assist from Dante. Also saw that he shot it more efficiently but did have 3 turnovers. Did he look more in control of his game and less like he was forcing? How bad were the turnovers? I like Dante a lot but his measurables and especially his poor efficiency numbers thus far in his career make me skeptical. Hope he can improve over the course of this year similar to last year because he’s a kid who really wants to win and is a great representative of the program.
One was really bad and out of control. He ran into Carey after a steal or defensive rebound. Completely unforced. One was a miscommunication between him and Carey that would have set up Carey for a open 3 in the beginning so even though it was his turnover I'm not sure it was his. I can't remember the third. He definitely did better job of driving and dishing it out with less forced shots but unfortunately Rice missed at least 2 wide open 3s on those passes. He got bailed out on a few wild drives by getting fouled. He also had a nice drive were he blew by his defender. Overall he looked better offensively and forced it less. Beard looked really good so a mix of them may help take some pressure off of Dante.
I think Beard can be a legitimate Big East point guard from the limited sample size we have, and I'm still not quite there yet on Dante, though he has the heart and potential to do it. With that said, I hope Beard can mostly play behind Harris this year even if he's ready for more minutes, because you're just not ready to play major minutes at the point as a freshman, as we saw with Dante last year. I really want us to get back to the point where our starting lineups are juniors and seniors and a guy like Dante would be providing a nice spark off the bench before sliding into a starting role later in his career. Think Markel Starks. If you watch high level college games (Nova vs UCLA is a great example, same with SHU vs Michigan today), other than the occasional generation talent like a Chet Holmgren, good teams are dominated by experienced players. This fact is the same reason why the ACC has been so brutal recently. They went all in on the one and done culture thinking it was the future, and they're being proven wrong by Nova, UCLA, Gonzaga, most of the Big 10, etc. We need to get old and stay old, which means no more attrition. As exciting as they are, Jordan Riley and Dante Harris shouldn't be two of the most important players on the team this year. They should be depth pieces preparing to take over starting roles as they age. I will repeat this over and over again until it happens because it is the proven formula for success and cannot be ignored.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 17, 2021 7:25:35 GMT -5
This is the shot he is trying to emulate. If he can get to Curtis Staples level then changing his form might be worth it.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 17, 2021 8:04:36 GMT -5
Harris needs to play under control more and not force the action as much. When he is a distributor he looks so much better than when he is forcing shots. Still high on this kid, but for now it might help to split time with Beard and grow. Did not have that option last year with the loss of J Harris.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 17, 2021 8:39:31 GMT -5
Harris needs to play under control more and not force the action as much. When he is a distributor he looks so much better than when he is forcing shots. Still high on this kid, but for now it might help to split time with Beard and grow. Did not have that option last year with the loss of J Harris. I thought Dante played well last night and you can see that his direction from the staff is to push the pace at every opportunity. I like how quickly he can transition the ball from defense to offense and how he gets the entire team out running. He is still learning his new teammates and where/when they want the ball and I think that will improve as the year goes on. He does a good job of breaking down his defender and getting into the paint, which a a really good sign. I think he could improve some of his decision making when he gets to the paint as to if he should be looking for his shot or the pass, but that comes from repetition and playing with your teammates. I am not sure he is a guy you want to depend on to create his own 3 pointers, but I think if he lets those opportunities come to him and just takes them when open, he will shoot a decent percentage.
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