alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 1, 2021 19:13:34 GMT -5
I don't think people are as bullish as they should be on Dante even now. If he had a 4* tagged slapped on him entering the season, we'd think he'd be in line to be an All BE performer as an upper classmen (which I actually think he can be). I'd actually say that's why people hold out hope on Sibley at any flash he might show even though I don't think he's close to being a reliable contributor.
Did Dante force it a bit against DePaul's press? Yep. But you know what Dave Leitao said as to why he didn't commit more to pressure? Because Harris has the ball against it almost exclusively and showed he could break it 90 feet. He didn't want to open that possibility.
I think the world of this kid and his attitude makes me all the more excited. He's selfless - and there's nothing better than getting a kid WITH four star talent with the humility of a two star.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 1, 2021 19:58:31 GMT -5
Dante’s best asset is his quickness. He has a step on whoever is guarding him. If he learns to finish better and improve his three point percentage, the sky is the limit. We will definitely need another PG next season, I hope Beard is up to the task.
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Mar 1, 2021 20:02:12 GMT -5
I think his 3 point shooting will be fine. his shooting mechanics are very solid - nothing wrong at all with the way he shoots. His low percentage this year could be largely a sample size issue. Is it that unusual for a good shooter to shoot 29% over a 52 shot sample? He's a very good foul shooter with good mechanics. I'll be surprised if he is not at 35%+ next year, maybe even into the high 30's.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 1, 2021 20:40:54 GMT -5
He's selfless - and there's nothing better than getting a kid WITH four star talent with the humility of a two star. Literally the recipe for our 2007 Final Four.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 1, 2021 20:52:48 GMT -5
Struggling to shoot from 3 could potentially be not just a problem with his stroke but also the fact that he's undersized and has difficulty getting shots up over defenders. He has a very good and repeatable form from 3. There is no problem with his stroke. He’s not undersized for college basketball. Fir example, he was one inch taller than the DePaul player guarding him, an All-BE player. Since he’s not one of the primary options from the perimeter, he only shoots 3s when he’s wide open. The problem has been strength/range in his shot. He always jumps high and shoots, but his misses are shots that hit the front part of the rim. For now, I would suggest that he shoot with his toes as close to the arc as possible or from the Jagan Mosely spot, until he gets stronger.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 1, 2021 21:01:43 GMT -5
Is it that unusual for a good shooter to shoot 29% over a 52 shot sample? He's a very good foul shooter with good mechanics. I'll be surprised if he is not at 35%+ next year, maybe even into the high 30's. Mac shot 27.7% his freshman year. 32% last year 34.2% this year
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Post by Filo on Mar 1, 2021 21:10:46 GMT -5
Would love to see more Berger and less Dante. No words for this...Like MAGA-level speechless. More Berger and less Blair I suppose I could reconcile in some alternative universe where an Ivy Leaguer becomes a meaningful contributor on a backcourt next season that features an incoming 5-star, an all-frosh BE soph and two other recruits everyone wanted... But more Berger and less Dante? The only explanation is that HoyaBoya is a masochist. Or Dante stole his girlfriend. Or something. Seriously, though, I find it pretty disgusting for a supposed fan to be actively rooting against any players on the team. I mean, we all have favorites and not-so-favorites, but this seems personal. Weak stuff.
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 2, 2021 7:12:28 GMT -5
I think his 3 point shooting will be fine. his shooting mechanics are very solid - nothing wrong at all with the way he shoots. His low percentage this year could be largely a sample size issue. Is it that unusual for a good shooter to shoot 29% over a 52 shot sample? He's a very good foul shooter with good mechanics. I'll be surprised if he is not at 35%+ next year, maybe even into the high 30's. To piggy back this point, he was at 35% on the season from 3 before the last two games, which have been 1-8 and dragged him down. We're very much in a small sample size window and the mechanics look good.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 2, 2021 7:31:11 GMT -5
He's selfless - and there's nothing better than getting a kid WITH four star talent with the humility of a two star. Literally the recipe for our 2007 Final Four. Now we just need to recruit 3 NBA players for Harris to feed it to. 😎
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 2, 2021 12:05:17 GMT -5
Literally the recipe for our 2007 Final Four. Now we just need to recruit 3 NBA players for Harris to feed it to. 😎 Yeah, I realize I was stretching a bit. But I was also referring to the fact that Green and Hibbert were also 4 stars with a willingness to play within a team game and work like the dickens.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 2, 2021 13:21:32 GMT -5
Now we just need to recruit 3 NBA players for Harris to feed it to. 😎 Yeah, I realize I was stretching a bit. But I was also referring to the fact that Green and Hibbert were also 4 stars with a willingness to play within a team game and work like the dickens. Not to be nit-picky but Green & Hibbert were both 3* kids coming out of HS...
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Post by swhoya on Mar 2, 2021 14:20:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I realize I was stretching a bit. But I was also referring to the fact that Green and Hibbert were also 4 stars with a willingness to play within a team game and work like the dickens. Not to be nit-picky but Green & Hibbert were both 3* kids coming out of HS... Yeah. Maybe Green was borderline, and it was probably an overstatement to say that Hibbert could barely run, but he was not a 4*.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 10:17:37 GMT -5
Dante, I wish that you could come back next year but I know your situation might be a little more complicated than the other seniors. If you could come back, please consider doing so. We need you next year buddy.
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Post by pioneeer on Mar 3, 2021 10:24:34 GMT -5
Sir, I believe Dante is returning next year! You may be talking about the other Harris unless I missed something! 🙏🏽😷
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 3, 2021 10:49:07 GMT -5
I thought Dante played hard last night as usual and did a good job defending. It was a concern when he reached for his ankle after that shot, but he was able to come back and continue so hopefully he is OK.
One thing Dante needs to improve on is his passing. He has great speed and quickness and a really good handle and seems to be able to get to pretty much where he wants on the floor. Those are great attributes for a point guard. It seems most of his mistakes/turnovers come when he makes poor passes. Either his choice of the type of pass, how hard he throws the pass or not hitting the receiver where they need the ball to make the next play. While I know he was a point guard in high school I think he was more of a scoring guard than a pass first point guard and improving on his passing skills and decision making on passes will be a big step for him moving forward. Along with that he an improve his decision making on his drives to the rim. He does a great job beating his man and getting into the lane now and just needs to make those snap decisions about trying to finish himself or kicking the ball out to an open player. There were a few times last night when he had guys waiting at the three point line for an open shot but he decided to try to finish the play himself. Akinjo struggled with this also as a freshman and after a while other teams scouted him and always played his as a shooter, which made it much tougher for him to finish those drives. Finding that balance between when to get your own shot and when to find your open teammate is something that hopefully the staff can continue to work with him on and he can improve going forward. I don't think it is a selfish thing with Dante, it is more of an experience thing and improving on how he reads the play.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Mar 6, 2021 5:10:43 GMT -5
Struggling to shoot from 3 could potentially be not just a problem with his stroke but also the fact that he's undersized and has difficulty getting shots up over defenders. He has a very good and repeatable form from 3. There is no problem with his stroke. He’s not undersized for college basketball. Fir example, he was one inch taller than the DePaul player guarding him, an All-BE player. Since he’s not one of the primary options from the perimeter, he only shoots 3s when he’s wide open. The problem has been strength/range in his shot. He always jumps high and shoots, but his misses are shots that hit the front part of the rim. For now, I would suggest that he shoot with his toes as close to the arc as possible or from the Jagan Mosely spot, until he gets stronger. I agree, his form is very good. Could he just be tired and worn down? Major minutes against physically stronger competition? I wish we had a reliable alternative to spare him earlier in the game so he had more legs to close out games.
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 6, 2021 20:15:22 GMT -5
I think tired legs is part of it. His jump shot also seems to be a high effort shot where he jumps up most of his vertical and releases at the apex; it makes sense since he is on the shorter side but it also makes it so that any tired legs will lead to a front rim shot (which seems to be where most of misses land).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 17:39:18 GMT -5
Didn't think he played well, but then I look at the boxscore and he had 6 boards and 5 steals. Carton was the best player on the floor for Marquette and while he shot the ball efficiently we turned him over 8 times. Literally proof that if you play hard you can make things happen that contribute to team success even when you're not playing your best.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 10, 2021 17:42:47 GMT -5
Didn't think he played well, but then I look at the boxscore and he had 6 boards and 5 steals. Carton was the best player on the floor for Marquette and while he shot the ball efficiently we turned him over 8 times. Literally proof that if you play hard you can make things happen that contribute to team success. He can force 8 more TOs tomorrow too. If he's playing 94 feet of defense on Nova's ballhandlers, he can easily force those 8 TO's.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 10, 2021 18:49:49 GMT -5
Didn't think he played well, but then I look at the boxscore and he had 6 boards and 5 steals. Carton was the best player on the floor for Marquette and while he shot the ball efficiently we turned him over 8 times. Literally proof that if you play hard you can make things happen that contribute to team success. He can force 8 more TOs tomorrow too. If he's playing 94 feet of defense on Nova's ballhandlers, he can easily force those 8 TO's. Just worried that he wears down, to the point he is a second slow on defense, leads to reaching, and fouls. I guess one benefit of his offensive struggles today is that they led to him being pulled for a few minutes.
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