LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 14, 2019 9:11:25 GMT -5
My guess is you have never sat in a room with Mr. Freeman, have no idea what his knowledge of basketball fundamentals is and have no clue whether he could be a good motivator. You probably have not seen him play in a decade. But you KNOW that he should get no consideration for a coaching gig, despite having played for literally dozens of coaches around the world who have taught him god only knows what. Plus, he conquered a life altering medical challenge at a young age, giving him perspective that might just be valuable. Nevertheless, you take him down a notch within hours of him announcing his retirement from the game, with nothing more nice to say than some bland wishy washy “with all due respect” BS. You managed to drag a few other good Hoyas down with him. Your post is quite frankly disgusting to me, with all due respect...The dude is class and apparently you could learn something from him about that. Good so see that attribution bias is alive and well on HoyaTalk. I didn't say alumni shouldn't coach. I didn't say he wasn't a great player. I didn't "drag a few other good Hoyas down". So here's my point again, in case you missed it: a candidate who offers experience is preferred over adding someone just because they played here. If the argument is that Freeman brings something extra to the staff, great...then it's up to the head coach to judge that and decide accordingly. There are a lot of alumni that could add something to the program but Patrick doesn't have the ability to hire everyone. DFW HOYA, it seems like you're assuming that people would like to see Austin Freeman in an assistant coach role with the team. Would you have the same reservations if he was hired to a special assistant (the role Wallace was previously in) or assistant director of basketball operations (the role Patrick Ewing Jr. was originally supposed to be in) if he was deemed qualified?
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Post by practice on Oct 14, 2019 9:19:23 GMT -5
So typically negative by DFW ... read his original post ... the basketball program is not about hiring former players ... our HC is a former player! Why is Patrick Ewing likely the last HC ever to be a former player? Says who??? And why is DFW comparing Freeman to AI? So typical.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Oct 14, 2019 9:58:48 GMT -5
My guess is you have never sat in a room with Mr. Freeman, have no idea what his knowledge of basketball fundamentals is and have no clue whether he could be a good motivator. You probably have not seen him play in a decade. But you KNOW that he should get no consideration for a coaching gig, despite having played for literally dozens of coaches around the world who have taught him god only knows what. Plus, he conquered a life altering medical challenge at a young age, giving him perspective that might just be valuable. Nevertheless, you take him down a notch within hours of him announcing his retirement from the game, with nothing more nice to say than some bland wishy washy “with all due respect” BS. You managed to drag a few other good Hoyas down with him. Your post is quite frankly disgusting to me, with all due respect...The dude is class and apparently you could learn something from him about that. Good so see that attribution bias is alive and well on HoyaTalk. I didn't say alumni shouldn't coach. I didn't say he wasn't a great player. I didn't "drag a few other good Hoyas down". So here's my point again, in case you missed it: a candidate who offers experience is preferred over adding someone just because they played here. If the argument is that Freeman brings something extra to the staff, great...then it's up to the head coach to judge that and decide accordingly. There are a lot of alumni that could add something to the program but Patrick doesn't have the ability to hire everyone. And here is my point - no need to bash the idea of him coaching on the day he retires.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 14, 2019 10:30:31 GMT -5
DFW HOYA, it seems like you're assuming that people would like to see Austin Freeman in an assistant coach role with the team. Would you have the same reservations if he was hired to a special assistant (the role Wallace was previously in) or assistant director of basketball operations (the role Patrick Ewing Jr. was originally supposed to be in) if he was deemed qualified? No reservations. Why is Patrick Ewing likely the last HC ever to be a former player? Says who??? And why is DFW comparing Freeman to AI? So typical. 1. Patrick Ewing is likely the last HC who played in the Thompson era (1972-99). That's not a spoiler, that's the march of time. 2. Iverson does not have a college degree which is required to be a coach.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Oct 14, 2019 10:35:02 GMT -5
Good so see that attribution bias is alive and well on HoyaTalk. I didn't say alumni shouldn't coach. I didn't say he wasn't a great player. I didn't "drag a few other good Hoyas down". So here's my point again, in case you missed it: a candidate who offers experience is preferred over adding someone just because they played here. If the argument is that Freeman brings something extra to the staff, great...then it's up to the head coach to judge that and decide accordingly. There are a lot of alumni that could add something to the program but Patrick doesn't have the ability to hire everyone. And here is my point - no need to bash the idea of him coaching on the day he retires. Perhaps the administrators can build a "Safe Haven" or a "Time-out" thread for certain posters Perhaps DFW's reply regarding Austin Freeman at the time of his retirement is because his retirement led to these posts. I doubt AF is reading HoyaTalk.
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Oct 14, 2019 11:38:11 GMT -5
I wish Austin well and look forward to hearing about wherever he begins his coaching career. He was a great Hoya. I will also also never forget the electricity in the arena when he single-handedly took out UCONN in 2010. "Connecticut Coach Jim Calhoun stood at the dais in the bowels of the Verizon Center, exhaled and tried to explain how his team had let a 17-point second-half lead evaporate against Georgetown. “I thought there were a couple of things they did,” Calhoun said of the Hoyas. “The first thing was having Austin Freeman in uniform. That helped a lot.”" www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/sports/ncaabasketball/10hoyas.html
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 14, 2019 11:54:15 GMT -5
BEST OF LUCK to Austin who was a * GREAT * Hoya! I would love to see him along with a proverbial Wu-Tang Clan of former players on the sidelines but will trust Coach Ewing to work that out. There is no need to be negative about Austin's future prospects, including possibly coaching for the Hoyas one day.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 14, 2019 15:16:23 GMT -5
I always loved watching Austin Freeman. He wasn't the most flashy guy or personality, but he did what was most important - put the ball in the basket with high efficiency. I also love that one of the good things he lists is graduating from Georgetown - I am surprised nobody else has commented on that.
If Ewing thought there was a place for Freeman on the bench like Wallace, I have no objection there. If not, fine. If the only point is that he should not be hired as an assistant coach, I agree (but I think almost everyone else here does too), given the lack of experience, not to mention that there are no openings. A few years down the line? You never know.
I do think there is a tendency for fans to want to welcome back everybody, and obviously that's impossible. But, I think that is more a reflection of the admiration with which we all hold our players, than anything else.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 14, 2019 15:32:06 GMT -5
Never enough ammunition to recruit locally. Recruiting is everything. Local high school and AAU coaches know Freeman.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Oct 14, 2019 16:44:46 GMT -5
The DMV is a tough place as a lot of top players who were local top talent in high school and / or were local top college players have stuck around and are looking to coach or connect with programs to use what they know and have learned in college as well as playing professionally above that level. There are former a decent amount of 10+ year NBA players working and coaching AAU teams. The caliber of coaching in the DVM is sick and a great place to be a kid through high school player looking to learn and grind.
Austin has been doing some work with middle school and high school players north west of DC, but he is really well known and has a ton to offer at some of the top high school and even around Georgetown.
I agree with some others that Patrick can't hire everybody, but Austin is solid. Chris Wright is another who puts in a lot of time with kids around the DMV between seasons playing professionally in Europe. They were a great pair and both are great coaching and training assets as well as mentors.
I've waited for GU to get alumni bench depth the way Coach K has built his program out. Now could be a good time to do grow it and build for a long future.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 14, 2019 21:14:47 GMT -5
DFW HOYA, it seems like you're assuming that people would like to see Austin Freeman in an assistant coach role with the team. Would you have the same reservations if he was hired to a special assistant (the role Wallace was previously in) or assistant director of basketball operations (the role Patrick Ewing Jr. was originally supposed to be in) if he was deemed qualified? No reservations. Why is Patrick Ewing likely the last HC ever to be a former player? Says who??? And why is DFW comparing Freeman to AI? So typical. 1. Patrick Ewing is likely the last HC who played in the Thompson era (1972-99). That's not a spoiler, that's the march of time. 2. Iverson does not have a college degree which is required to be a coach. Doesn’t Freeman have a degree from Georgetown?
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Post by bicentennial on Oct 14, 2019 21:30:01 GMT -5
Not to stir anything up but how about Jaren Jackson? Maybe then we would finally be able to get a La Lumierre player!
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Oct 15, 2019 3:42:25 GMT -5
For decades now Duke has mostly filled its roster of assistant coaches by hiring former players of K who did not learn the craft of coaching at high school or small colleges before they took their seat on the Blue Devils bench. For every Chris Collins or Bobby Hurley that got a seat on the bench there was a David Henderson or a Quin Snyder. (Some may not even realize Kenny Blakeney is the head coach at Howard.) Even the Duke Basketball Report called the K tree "not a terribly inspiring group." And therein lies the problem which Duke can delay but not prevent: elevating a former player that takes over from Kryzyewski just because he is an assistant there will be a huge step down if he lacks experience beyond Cameron Indoor. I'm not saying alumni shouldn't coach or anything like that. I would prefer recognizing someone who brings a new perspective and experience in other situations and not solely hired because someone's playing career is over--otherwise, we can make the same argument for everyone from Perry McDonald to Darrel Owens to Julian Vaughn to Trey Dickerson to get the same consideration. I could definitely make that argument for D. Owens. He's been coaching and would be a good addition I think. Really depends on the individual, but I do like guys who have a passion for the program. And local is a big plus.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Oct 15, 2019 3:43:43 GMT -5
Not to stir anything up but how about Jaren Jackson? Maybe then we would finally be able to get a La Lumierre player! Love Jaren, too.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 15, 2019 6:39:01 GMT -5
Freeman is local and younger, both pluses in my opinion when looking at our current coaching mix. Also, a big-time college guard would complement our NBA center coach. One could argue that he brings more to the table than Wallace.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 15, 2019 9:55:41 GMT -5
Did I mention that recruiting is everything. 😉 Once we start paying players, then bankroll is everything. 😎
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Oct 15, 2019 13:52:58 GMT -5
Freeman is local and younger, both pluses in my opinion when looking at our current coaching mix. Also, a big-time college guard would complement our NBA center coach. One could argue that he brings more to the table than Wallace. Go have a conversation with both of them and get back to me on that. There is zero comparison in their relative comportment.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 15, 2019 14:54:25 GMT -5
Once again, did I mention recruiting is everything. Freeman is someone who is relatable for local prospects. Wallace over Freeman for my mock trial squad though.
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boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on Oct 15, 2019 15:14:51 GMT -5
If Austin can produce a decent event for Hoya Madness then I think he already fills a need.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Oct 16, 2019 8:19:04 GMT -5
Jaren Jackson was also a pretty good pro player too! And has coaching experience.
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