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Post by bigelephant on Dec 24, 2020 14:44:52 GMT -5
I don't say this lightly, but Chet might be one of the most unique talents in the last decade. He's has potential to make 10 all-NBA teams. He's that talented. If THAT KID wants to come to us, you do whatever is needed to make it happen. If Chet were a Hoya, we'd have a chance to win the national championship. He affects winning that much. Wow. Sign me up for that. Wow - try to sign him on the spot
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Post by vv83 on Dec 24, 2020 17:05:43 GMT -5
Wow. Sign me up for that. Wow - try to sign him on the spot It's good to hear a real scout like Daytona provide this assessment of Holmgren. In looking at his highlights over the past few years he has looked more like Durant than any other prospect I can recall. But I figured I was just being an overenthusiastic fan, easily swayed by selective career highlight clips. But hearing Daytona assess him as a "10 time all NBA" potential talent - wow! I have a hard time seeing him ending up anywhere other than Gonzaga. To his credit, Holmgren seems to have run a very low-drama recruitment for a guy at his level of interest. His final list of schools has just one of the old school blue bloods (UNC) - he has a very eclectic group of finalists, which would seem to show a very thoughtful approach to process. Guys who approach their recruiting like this do seem to connect better with what Georgetown has to offer. But Gonzaga has become one of the modern day "blue bloods", and Holmgren would have a much better chance at playing for a national title there than at just about any school ini the country. Seeing Jalen Suggs making such a strong impression playing for Gonzaga this year has to make the place even more attractive for someone like Holmgren. I'll hold out hope until he decides, but I'll be fairly surprised if he ends up anywhere other than Gonzaga.
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 24, 2020 18:33:10 GMT -5
He isn’t coming. Billingsley is underrated IMO & I like Sibley’s future a lot. If Patrick gave him Billy Martin’s uniform # he is gonna be a PLAYER!
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 26, 2020 21:45:44 GMT -5
Pat and the history of Georgetown definitely does not seem like the type of program that would start running off guys. It's not G'Town's style, and goes against everything the program has been about. But I think it's fair to say you'd maybe expect a center to leave next year, with Ryan coming in. Obviously no idea if the staff ever thinks this way, but I think we as fans wouldn't be surprised if a center decides to transfer to get more playing time. It also wouldn't surprise me if the staff had known beforehand that Carey only intends to stay one year, hence why they pushed for Mohammed --- they already know an open scholarship will be available. Now if we hear over the next few weeks they are continuing a pursuit of Chet or Khalil Brantley (or A.J. Neal) even after getting Mohammed, you'd expect the staff either knows something or has a plan as to how they will make that scholarship situation work. Are they anticipating a transfer (one transfer would be very likely)? That opens up an additional spot for one more recruit. But yes, I don't see Patrick Ewing/Georgetown being the type who would run players out of town. By all accounts, Pat is a great guy and to my knowledge Georgetown's recruiting has always been done the right way. He’s already run one guy out. I guess we will see what happens after this year. It will be up to Carey if he wants to leave or we will see at least 1 more run out. Who has he run out?
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 28, 2020 14:55:47 GMT -5
He’s already run one guy out. I guess we will see what happens after this year. It will be up to Carey if he wants to leave or we will see at least 1 more run out. Who has he run out? The guy that just so happened to leave a few days after we needed a scholarship for Gardner and Allen.
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Post by bornhoya on Dec 28, 2020 15:10:56 GMT -5
The guy that just so happened to leave a few days after we needed a scholarship for Gardner and Allen. Carter
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 28, 2020 15:29:11 GMT -5
Has that actually been confirmed by Carter or anyone else? That he was "run out" vs. having been told he was far down the depth chart and would have to develop A, B and C skills to really have a chance to play? Or that Carter wanted big minutes he was not going to get, so decided to go somewhere that he could?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 29, 2020 8:36:08 GMT -5
The guy that just so happened to leave a few days after we needed a scholarship for Gardner and Allen. 1.6 rebs, lol. Grayson Carter, Redshirt Sophomore 2020-21 GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 7 10.4 52.6 40.0 100.0 1.6 0.9 0.3 0.3 1.1 0.9 4.1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 9:44:13 GMT -5
If I can chime in on this subject please....
Ewing's my guy and I love him like most of us do on here. However, I wouldn't put it past him to get rid of a player. Let me tell you why I believe such.
First of all, I can't necessarily prove that what I am saying is true. I can only say that I've heard from good authority (someone who was once a part of the old program) that Big John got rid of players.
You know that good old "graduation rate" that the media used to taunt about Big Coach? Well I heard that Big Coach used to kick kids out who he felt was not going to graduate from Georgetown. Thus is the reason why the high graduation rate.
Now was that a bad thing? Hell nawwl, I don't think so because why would you have a kid that isn't holding up his end of the bargain? You get rid of the kid before he messes up the good standing of the program.
Now performing in the classroom and performing on the court are totally two different things. Would coach let someone go because he isn't performing on the court? If I were a coach, I would. Think Dwayne Haskins.
Now however, judging whether or not a kid is performing should be done on a case by case basis and also, a kid should be judge based solely on his talents and not the talents of other kids.
With all that being said, I don't want to see any of these kids go but something has got to give in order for Aminu to get his scholarship. I hate to do this but my take is that we need Carey. We don't need him to leave.
Carey is going to step up in that Blair role next year. He's going to be the guy to knock down the threes and get to the basket for us. I have a kid in mind who I believe should relinquish his scholarship (because he is not performing) but I won't put his name out there.
However, one of the kids will have to abdicate their scholarship for this to work (Aminu) and that's just the bottom line.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 29, 2020 10:51:15 GMT -5
First of all, I can't necessarily prove that what I am saying is true. I can only say that I've heard from good authority (someone who was once a part of the old program) that Big John got rid of players. You know that good old "graduation rate" that the media used to taunt about Big Coach? Well I heard that Big Coach used to kick kids out who he felt was not going to graduate from Georgetown. Thus is the reason why the high graduation rate. That's not accurate and a disservice to Thompson's legacy. Yes, players left the program. Some after four semesters, some after two. Then there's the story of Joe Holmes, the freshman who decided he wasn't going to go to class and when he told that to Thompson, Coach got him a plane ticket and told him to pack his bags. Holmes never played a game. Those that left early usually fell into thee categories: 1) someone who didn't put in the effort academically, 2) someone not getting the playing time they thought they deserved, or 3) someone who didn't get along with Thompson and figured they could do better elsewhere. But Thompson didn't (and couldn't) kick anyone out of school, and that's something we forget. That kid is an enrolled student and can, with financial aid, stay as long as he stays eligible to graduate, but a lot saw playing basketball as a better option than sitting in classes and hanging around at Yates, so they found other schools. Few took the advice of Jerrelle Benimon, the JT III era player who wanted more playing time, transferred, and built a nice career since. "If you're not positive your game will actually elevate going somewhere else," he said, "then I don't think it's worth leaving a school like Georgetown, because the academics are so good." The graduation rate often cited was a reference to four year players but it was a little faulty. www.hoyabasketball.com/features/the_graduates.htm
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 29, 2020 11:45:39 GMT -5
Setting aside for the moment this hypothetical discussion of the logistics of whether Ewing even can/should recruit another 5 star...
Does anyone have any information that confirms that Ewing is IN FACT continuing to pursue Holmgren/Baldwin, or that either of them continue to consider the Hoyas?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 13:37:31 GMT -5
Setting aside for the moment this hypothetical discussion of the logistics of whether Ewing even can/should recruit another 5 star... Does anyone have any information that confirms that Ewing is IN FACT continuing to pursue Holmgren/Baldwin, or that either of them continue to consider the Hoyas? This interview published in early December asks about Georgetown -- and he says Pat & staff are active and talking to him often, so I assume they haven't given up there. I doubt us adding Aminu hurt any in his consideration, and I also doubt coach would stop recruiting him (b/c of a currently "full" roster) if he were genuinely interested. 247sports.com/college/memphis/Article/Chet-Holmgren-talks-recruiting-and-playing-three-on-three-at-Snoop-Doggs-compound-155912235/
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 29, 2020 14:36:25 GMT -5
Nahhh, we'd rather have Grayson Carter . . .
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 29, 2020 15:06:14 GMT -5
The guy that just so happened to leave a few days after we needed a scholarship for Gardner and Allen. 1.6 rebs, lol. Grayson Carter, Redshirt Sophomore 2020-21 GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 7 10.4 52.6 40.0 100.0 1.6 0.9 0.3 0.3 1.1 0.9 4.1 I wasn't advocating for Carter. I was just pointing out that things are no different here than they are at every other school no matter how much some people on here hope/wish things were different.
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Post by Gammo on Dec 29, 2020 15:12:31 GMT -5
Holmgren is an absolute stud. His ability to take the ball coast to coast with control and authority and finish is preposterous.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 29, 2020 15:24:06 GMT -5
1.6 rebs, lol. Grayson Carter, Redshirt Sophomore 2020-21 GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 7 10.4 52.6 40.0 100.0 1.6 0.9 0.3 0.3 1.1 0.9 4.1 I wasn't advocating for Carter. I was just pointing out that things are no different here than they are at every other school no matter how much some people on here hope/wish things were different. Except of course that you don't know what actually took place. Is it possible? Sure. But you are just making a presumption.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 29, 2020 17:19:20 GMT -5
Honestly I think this should just be a relatively quiet thread because we don’t really want someone to get pushed out and Aminu does not even have a spot yet so until we hear that Gtown is still in the running at some point in the near future we should dial it back a tad. Only then it can be assumed that the coaches know something we don’t so the convo can really continue without making a million hypotheticals that may insult one player or another. Just a thought and obviously I would love for Chet to come but no need to get too greedy with such a solid class.
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Post by swhoya on Dec 29, 2020 18:47:53 GMT -5
Honestly I think this should just be a relatively quiet thread because we don’t really want someone to get pushed out and Aminu does not even have a spot yet so until we hear that Gtown is still in the running at some point in the near future we should dial it back a tad. Only then it can be assumed that the coaches know something we don’t so the convo can really continue without making a million hypotheticals that may insult one player or another. Just a thought and obviously I would love for Chet to come but no need to get too greedy with such a solid class. No need to get greedy? What coach worth his salary would ever say "you know, this player would elevate us to a whole-new level, but I think what I got is solid so I won't be greedy."? If we ever have a coach like that at Georgetown, I hope (and expect) that he wouldn't be there long. I want the coach that is greedy (within ethical boundaries) and wants the best players he can get (and yes, I do think chemistry and balance have to be considered, but in general if you can get a generational talent, you do it), not someone that will settle.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 29, 2020 20:40:31 GMT -5
Honestly I think this should just be a relatively quiet thread because we don’t really want someone to get pushed out and Aminu does not even have a spot yet so until we hear that Gtown is still in the running at some point in the near future we should dial it back a tad. Only then it can be assumed that the coaches know something we don’t so the convo can really continue without making a million hypotheticals that may insult one player or another. Just a thought and obviously I would love for Chet to come but no need to get too greedy with such a solid class. No need to get greedy? What coach worth his salary would ever say "you know, this player would elevate us to a whole-new level, but I think what I got is solid so I won't be greedy."? If we ever have a coach like that at Georgetown, I hope (and expect) that he wouldn't be there long. I want the coach that is greedy (within ethical boundaries) and wants the best players he can get (and yes, I do think chemistry and balance have to be considered, but in general if you can get a generational talent, you do it), not someone that will settle. I meant “greedy” in a more joking way with people (Fans and coaches) sometimes getting ahead of themselves to the point of possibly becoming ungrateful of what they have and greed is what drives other programs to do shady stuff. I wouldn’t want a complacent coach either so unless they know for an absolute fact there’s no one that will leave then I want them to keep pushing for Chet as long as it’s above board.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 29, 2020 21:16:05 GMT -5
Honestly I think this should just be a relatively quiet thread because we don’t really want someone to get pushed out and Aminu does not even have a spot yet so until we hear that Gtown is still in the running at some point in the near future we should dial it back a tad. Only then it can be assumed that the coaches know something we don’t so the convo can really continue without making a million hypotheticals that may insult one player or another. Just a thought and obviously I would love for Chet to come but no need to get too greedy with such a solid class. Dial it back? HoyaTalk?? Newbies🙄
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