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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 3, 2019 9:00:49 GMT -5
It really feels like the staff is telling RJ Davis directly that they are all in on him at the PG position. The staffs public lack of pursuit of any one else (as we currently only know of RJ as the only 2020 PG recruit they are heavily on) is there way of telling the fanbase they are all in. Unless some other news comes out on another PG visit in the next couple of months, the staff must feel really really strong on their position with Davis and they are willing to go into the spring if they somehow strike out. Meanwhile Pitt and UNC are heavily recruiting multiple other PG's and Marquette's 2020 PG Symir Torrance is already on campus as he reclassed to the 2019 class. As with everything with this staff (they make moves in silence), we will see how it shakes out.... Not sure I follow the logic of this post... If the staff operates in silence as you state at the end, which I'd agree with, then how can you infer that they're so locked in on Davis and aren't pursuing anyone else? Sure it's possible that they feel confident about Davis and aren't actively pursuing anyone else because of it. But I think it's also possible, and probably even more likely, that they have several irons in the fire. Would anyone be shocked if news broke tomorrow about us with a different 2020 point guard, like Farrakhan, Mashburn, Wilson or even Curbelo? We're known to have offered each of those guys, and none have been especially open about who leads in their recruitment. It's possible that we're a just another offer for them and not seriously in consideration, but I think it's also possible that we're well-positioned and it just hasn't been made public. Our staff has kept things pretty quiet, so sometimes it's tough to gauge our standing, and it's possible to get a commitment seemingly out of nowhere (like with Gardner). Clearly we were on Davis hard early, and presumably we still are, but interpreting relative silence about any other '20 point guards as an indication that "the staff must feel really really strong on their position with Davis" seems like kind of a stretch to me considering that silence is sort of the default mode for this group. You mis-read or misunderstood my post. My statement at the end that the "Staff moves In Silence, so we will see how it shakes out" was me admitting I could be entirely wrong about the staff seemingly singular pursuit of Davis. Regarding the top section of my post that the staff must feel really good where they stand with Davis and it outwardly appears that he's their primary (maybe only) PG/CG target during the early signing period is based on the lack of any other visits (official or unofficial) being listed by other possible targets. As of now, nothing from Farrakhan, Wilson, or Mashburn. To my knowledge, all three haven taken or at least schedule upcoming visits. I even said "unless some other news comes out about another PG visit...." The staff isn't throwing out offers to any other potential 2020 PG's. Meanwhile Pitt and UNC have multiple visits by other PG targets coming up in the next month. UNC will have hosted at least two other PG targets before RJ Davis's OV to chapel hill. That implies that Davis isn't their primary target. In terms of Pitt having 2-3 other PG scheduled. official visits on the books already, they may not feel as secure in their standing with Davis and don't want to go into the spring with their need for a PG in this class not fulfilled...
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 3, 2019 11:00:53 GMT -5
Not sure I follow the logic of this post... If the staff operates in silence as you state at the end, which I'd agree with, then how can you infer that they're so locked in on Davis and aren't pursuing anyone else? Sure it's possible that they feel confident about Davis and aren't actively pursuing anyone else because of it. But I think it's also possible, and probably even more likely, that they have several irons in the fire. Would anyone be shocked if news broke tomorrow about us with a different 2020 point guard, like Farrakhan, Mashburn, Wilson or even Curbelo? We're known to have offered each of those guys, and none have been especially open about who leads in their recruitment. It's possible that we're a just another offer for them and not seriously in consideration, but I think it's also possible that we're well-positioned and it just hasn't been made public. Our staff has kept things pretty quiet, so sometimes it's tough to gauge our standing, and it's possible to get a commitment seemingly out of nowhere (like with Gardner). Clearly we were on Davis hard early, and presumably we still are, but interpreting relative silence about any other '20 point guards as an indication that "the staff must feel really really strong on their position with Davis" seems like kind of a stretch to me considering that silence is sort of the default mode for this group. You mis-read or misunderstood my post. My statement at the end that the "Staff moves In Silence, so we will see how it shakes out" was me admitting I could be entirely wrong about the staff seemingly singular pursuit of Davis. Regarding the top section of my post that the staff must feel really good where they stand with Davis and it outwardly appears that he's their primary (maybe only) PG/CG target during the early signing period is based on the lack of any other visits (official or unofficial) being listed by other possible targets. As of now, nothing from Farrakhan, Wilson, or Mashburn. To my knowledge, all three haven taken or at least schedule upcoming visits. I even said "unless some other news comes out about another PG visit...." The staff isn't throwing out offers to any other potential 2020 PG's. Meanwhile Pitt and UNC have multiple visits by other PG targets coming up in the next month. UNC will have hosted at least two other PG targets before RJ Davis's OV to chapel hill. That implies that Davis isn't their primary target. In terms of Pitt having 2-3 other PG scheduled. official visits on the books already, they may not feel as secure in their standing with Davis and don't want to go into the spring with their need for a PG in this class not fulfilled... Maybe. It seems a bit overly optimistic though, to see their recruitment of other guards as a sign that they aren't prioritizing or aren't feeling good about Davis. I think Georgetown is doing the same, it's just happening quietly. To your point that we don't have any 2020 point guards scheduled to visit--true, however to my knowledge we don't have ANY 2020 prospects scheduled to visit at all, at least not publicly announced, and I think it's safe to say that the 2020 class isn't close to done. I think it's more of a consequence of how our staff operates than a reflection of how bullish they are of their chances with Davis in particular. I hope you're right and it is a good sign, but it seems to me like an optimistic reading of a situation where we've all been dying for SOME kind of clue after there not being any real information for many months.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 3, 2019 12:01:37 GMT -5
You mis-read or misunderstood my post. My statement at the end that the "Staff moves In Silence, so we will see how it shakes out" was me admitting I could be entirely wrong about the staff seemingly singular pursuit of Davis. Regarding the top section of my post that the staff must feel really good where they stand with Davis and it outwardly appears that he's their primary (maybe only) PG/CG target during the early signing period is based on the lack of any other visits (official or unofficial) being listed by other possible targets. As of now, nothing from Farrakhan, Wilson, or Mashburn. To my knowledge, all three haven taken or at least schedule upcoming visits. I even said "unless some other news comes out about another PG visit...." The staff isn't throwing out offers to any other potential 2020 PG's. Meanwhile Pitt and UNC have multiple visits by other PG targets coming up in the next month. UNC will have hosted at least two other PG targets before RJ Davis's OV to chapel hill. That implies that Davis isn't their primary target. In terms of Pitt having 2-3 other PG scheduled. official visits on the books already, they may not feel as secure in their standing with Davis and don't want to go into the spring with their need for a PG in this class not fulfilled... Maybe. It seems a bit overly optimistic though, to see their recruitment of other guards as a sign that they aren't prioritizing or aren't feeling good about Davis. I think Georgetown is doing the same, it's just happening quietly. To your point that we don't have any 2020 point guards scheduled to visit--true, however to my knowledge we don't have ANY 2020 prospects scheduled to visit at all, at least not publicly announced, and I think it's safe to say that the 2020 class isn't close to done. I think it's more of a consequence of how our staff operates than a reflection of how bullish they are of their chances with Davis in particular. I hope you're right and it is a good sign, but it seems to me like an optimistic reading of a situation where we've all been dying for SOME kind of clue after there not being any real information for many months. Not completely true. PF Kenneth Lofton announced he was visiting October 11-13. There has been no other announcements regarding his visit, so as of now it seems as if it's still happening. Caleb Dorsey visited unofficially. Wing Darious Maddox was scheduled to visit before he committed to V-Tech. We are also being listed on other wings & forwards final list like Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe. I don't see any PG's (outside of RJ Davis) listing the Hoyas much less visiting. After bringing in seven this summer, the 2020 class was never expected to be a big recruiting class in terms of amount of recruits. 2-3 recruits unless the team really out performs expectations. Backcourt help seems to be a priority with Mosely & Allen expected to competetheir eligibility after this season. Yet the staff is being very selective which I think is the benifit of really good recruiting the last couple of years and an understanding of the recruiting market and cycle...
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 3, 2019 12:35:32 GMT -5
Maybe. It seems a bit overly optimistic though, to see their recruitment of other guards as a sign that they aren't prioritizing or aren't feeling good about Davis. I think Georgetown is doing the same, it's just happening quietly. To your point that we don't have any 2020 point guards scheduled to visit--true, however to my knowledge we don't have ANY 2020 prospects scheduled to visit at all, at least not publicly announced, and I think it's safe to say that the 2020 class isn't close to done. I think it's more of a consequence of how our staff operates than a reflection of how bullish they are of their chances with Davis in particular. I hope you're right and it is a good sign, but it seems to me like an optimistic reading of a situation where we've all been dying for SOME kind of clue after there not being any real information for many months. Not completely true. PF Kenneth Lofton announced he was visiting October 11-13. There has been no other announcements regarding his visit, so as of now it seems as if it's still happening. Caleb Dorsey visited unofficially. Wing Darious Maddox was scheduled to visit before he committed to V-Tech. We are also being listed on other wings & forwards final list like Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe. I don't see any PG's (outside of RJ Davis) listing the Hoyas much less visiting. After bringing in seven this summer, the 2020 class was never expected to be a big recruiting class in terms of amount of recruits. 2-3 recruits unless the team really out performs expectations. Backcourt help seems to be a priority with Mosely & Allen expected to competetheir eligibility after this season. Yet the staff is being very selective which I think is the benifit of really good recruiting the last couple of years and an understanding of the recruiting market and cycle... Isn't it conceivable\probable that kids like Mashburn, Curbelo, Jayden Stone moved in other directions and kids like I. Wilson are still on the backburner? I think the recent offer to Tristan Maxwell shows that the staff is still weighing options on other guards besides Davis for this class, to me it'd be crazy not to... Also, Is Lofton's visit an OV?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Sept 3, 2019 12:57:17 GMT -5
Shouldn't it be "doing what he does" vs. doing what he do I realize RJ is not the poster of this but if he really wants to be a hoya then let's keep the english and handle tight.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Sept 3, 2019 13:42:16 GMT -5
Not completely true. PF Kenneth Lofton announced he was visiting October 11-13. There has been no other announcements regarding his visit, so as of now it seems as if it's still happening. Caleb Dorsey visited unofficially. Wing Darious Maddox was scheduled to visit before he committed to V-Tech. We are also being listed on other wings & forwards final list like Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe. I don't see any PG's (outside of RJ Davis) listing the Hoyas much less visiting. After bringing in seven this summer, the 2020 class was never expected to be a big recruiting class in terms of amount of recruits. 2-3 recruits unless the team really out performs expectations. Backcourt help seems to be a priority with Mosely & Allen expected to competetheir eligibility after this season. Yet the staff is being very selective which I think is the benifit of really good recruiting the last couple of years and an understanding of the recruiting market and cycle... Isn't it conceivable\probable that kids like Mashburn, Curbelo, Jayden Stone moved in other directions and kids like I. Wilson are still on the backburner? I think the recent offer to the Tristan Maxwell that the staff is still weighing options on other guards besides Davis for this class, to me it'd be crazy not to... Also, Is Lofton's visit an OV? www.5statehoopreport.com/blogs/post/Kenneth-Lofton-Shines-at-The-SWEC.-Talks-RecruitmentGiven that it's a 2-3 day visit, you can probably assume it's an official visit. I haven't noticed many unofficial visits to be scheduled for multiple days.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 3, 2019 15:50:02 GMT -5
Not completely true. PF Kenneth Lofton announced he was visiting October 11-13. There has been no other announcements regarding his visit, so as of now it seems as if it's still happening. Caleb Dorsey visited unofficially. Wing Darious Maddox was scheduled to visit before he committed to V-Tech. We are also being listed on other wings & forwards final list like Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe. I don't see any PG's (outside of RJ Davis) listing the Hoyas much less visiting. After bringing in seven this summer, the 2020 class was never expected to be a big recruiting class in terms of amount of recruits. 2-3 recruits unless the team really out performs expectations. Backcourt help seems to be a priority with Mosely & Allen expected to competetheir eligibility after this season. Yet the staff is being very selective which I think is the benifit of really good recruiting the last couple of years and an understanding of the recruiting market and cycle... Isn't it conceivable\probable that kids like Mashburn, Curbelo, Jayden Stone moved in other directions and kids like I. Wilson are still on the backburner? I think the recent offer to Tristan Maxwell shows that the staff is still weighing options on other guards besides Davis for this class, to me it'd be crazy not to... Also, Is Lofton's visit an OV? Moved in other directions/backburner/or the staff not pursuing them is the same thing for the purpose of this discussion. In any of those cases, you think the staff would be turning over all kind of rocks looking for PG prospects if they weren't in a really good place with RJ Davis. Coach Ewing and the staff are not shy when it comes to giving out offers and yet we have no new offers to PG's since they offer offered Isaiah Wilson in mid summer. I guess Mashburn could/would play some point like McClung does, but there is no information that Mashburn is seriously considering the Hoyas and vice versa. Much like Maddox, I don't see Maxwell as a PG. I see him as a shooter, a Jahvon Blair type of prospect in Coach Ewing's "offensive system as we know it". I say that because the staff has shown that they will tweak/change the offense to fit the roster. Yes... I believe Lofton's visit is an official.
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Sept 3, 2019 19:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 3, 2019 21:34:45 GMT -5
Isn't it conceivable\probable that kids like Mashburn, Curbelo, Jayden Stone moved in other directions and kids like I. Wilson are still on the backburner? I think the recent offer to Tristan Maxwell shows that the staff is still weighing options on other guards besides Davis for this class, to me it'd be crazy not to... Also, Is Lofton's visit an OV? Moved in other directions/backburner/or the staff not pursuing them is the same thing for the purpose of this discussion. In any of those cases, you think the staff would be turning over all kind rocks looking for prospects if they weren't in a really good place with RJ Davis. Coach Ewing and the staff are not shy when it comes to giving out offers and yet we have no new offers to PG's since they offer offered Isaiah Wilson in mid summer. Much like Maddox, I don't see Maxwell as a PG. I see him as a shooter, a Jahvon Blair type of prospect in Coach Ewing's "offensive system as we know it". I say that because the staff has shown that they will tweak/change the offense to fit the roster. Yes... I believe Lofton's visit is an official. My point is that I don't think the staff was/is being selective in their pursuit of Davis if the others that I mentioned above had shown an interest in Gtown the way Davis has I'm sure the staff would still be on them too... I get that the staff may feel good about where they are with Davis but to me, it would be shortsighted not to continue recruiting other players while he's deciding where he wants to go... RJ is much more of a scoring guard to me and while Maxwell definitely isn't the player that Davis is right now, he fits a need the program has...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 4, 2019 0:28:47 GMT -5
Moved in other directions/backburner/or the staff not pursuing them is the same thing for the purpose of this discussion. In any of those cases, you think the staff would be turning over all kind rocks looking for prospects if they weren't in a really good place with RJ Davis. Coach Ewing and the staff are not shy when it comes to giving out offers and yet we have no new offers to PG's since they offer offered Isaiah Wilson in mid summer. Much like Maddox, I don't see Maxwell as a PG. I see him as a shooter, a Jahvon Blair type of prospect in Coach Ewing's "offensive system as we know it". I say that because the staff has shown that they will tweak/change the offense to fit the roster. Yes... I believe Lofton's visit is an official. My point is that I don't think the staff was/is being selective in their pursuit of Davis if the others that I mentioned above had shown an interest in Gtown the way Davis has I'm sure the staff would still be on them too...
I get that the staff may feel good about where they are with Davis but to me, it would be shortsighted not to continue recruiting other players while he's deciding where he wants to go... RJ is much more of a scoring guard to me and while Maxwell definitely isn't the player that Davis is right now, he fits a need the program has... We don't have any clue to what affect the staff recruited those other guards you mentioned. We do know that the staff was one of the first HM programs on Davis. When they got on him the staff (Coach Wahab & Coach Ewing) were relentless in a short period of time making it known he was a priority. They offered him immediately and followed up by attending several of his high school games in NYC and got him up to DC to a home game in the first month of his recruitment. They intensely pursued Davis before they knew work any certainty his interest in Georgetown. Coach Wahab became RJ Davis's shadow throughout the spring and summer which lead to his first OV being at Georgetown. The staff didn't have that kind of follow through with any of the guards you mentioned. Not even close. It seems to me the staff identified and prioritized Davis over those other guards based on their level of pursuit early in the process and the staff not really pursuing those other guards you mentioned with any or the same voraciosness. In terms of being shortsighted, if the staff was only pursuing Davis as he was taking time to make his decision, I think shortsighted is an exaggeration for multiple reasons; 1. The staff could be in a really good place with Davis and know it. They could have locked onto him as their top PG recruit and feel that everyone else they are involved with is a step down in terms of their needs and are willing to re-evaluate the position during the season. 2. Even if Davis decided to go elsewhere, the program overall is in much better shape to go into the season/spring looking to fill that scholarship. The staff has built the roster/program to the point that they can be pretty selective since its a relatively small number of new players they are trying to add to the 2020-2021 roster. 3. We are still very very very early in the 2020 recruiting cycle. So much can and will change over the next 8-9 months in this recruitin class (unsigned, decommitments, transfers late bloomers, JUCO, etc.) that if they miss out on Davis, the staff should have confidence they can bring in another very good player for this class down the road. If the team success reaches or surpasses expectation (solid to strong possibility) the staff will have an easier job selling the program in the spring.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Sept 4, 2019 13:04:17 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 4, 2019 14:12:47 GMT -5
My point is that I don't think the staff was/is being selective in their pursuit of Davis if the others that I mentioned above had shown an interest in Gtown the way Davis has I'm sure the staff would still be on them too...
I get that the staff may feel good about where they are with Davis but to me, it would be shortsighted not to continue recruiting other players while he's deciding where he wants to go... RJ is much more of a scoring guard to me and while Maxwell definitely isn't the player that Davis is right now, he fits a need the program has... We don't have any clue to what affect the staff recruited those other guards you mentioned. We do know that the staff was one of the first HM programs on Davis. When they got on him the staff (Coach Wahab & Coach Ewing) were relentless in a short period of time making it known he was a priority. They offered him immediately and followed up by attending several of his high school games in NYC and got him up to DC to a home game in the first month of his recruitment. They intensely pursued Davis before they knew work any certainty his interest in Georgetown. Coach Wahab became RJ Davis's shadow throughout the spring and summer which lead to his first OV being at Georgetown. The staff didn't have that kind of follow through with any of the guards you mentioned. Not even close. It seems to me the staff identified and prioritized Davis over those other guards based on their level of pursuit early in the process and the staff not really pursuing those other guards you mentioned with any or the same voraciosness. In terms of being shortsighted, if the staff was only pursuing Davis as he was taking time to make his decision, I think shortsighted is an exaggeration for multiple reasons; 1. The staff could be in a really good place with Davis and know it. They could have locked onto him as their top PG recruit and feel that everyone else they are involved with is a step down in terms of their needs and are willing to re-evaluate the position during the season. 2. Even if Davis decided to go elsewhere, the program overall is in much better shape to go into the season/spring looking to fill that scholarship. The staff has built the roster/program to the point that they can be pretty selective since its a relatively small number of new players they are trying to add to the 2020-2021 roster. 3. We are still very very very early in the 2020 recruiting cycle. So much can and will change over the next 8-9 months in this recruitin class (unsigned, decommitments, transfers late bloomers, JUCO, etc.) that if they miss out on Davis, the staff should have confidence they can bring in another very good player for this class down the road. If the team success reaches or surpasses expectation (solid to strong possibility) the staff will have an easier job selling the program in the spring. Do you think the staff would do all that if the kid wasn't showing some love back? Davis's family paid for those initial visits, right? It's not surprising to me at all that the staff went after him hard early on and I believe if others showed a similar interest the staff would have chased them hard(er) as well... I agree that the staff has the roster in a place where they aren't pressed for guard help but I still think they should be on other kids while Davis finishes his recruitment, the "we're all in for you" method doesn't seem to have had a big impression on RJ's timeline...
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 4, 2019 14:42:06 GMT -5
I think the staff loves the kid, and the kid loves school. I wish that were enough. From where I sit, the staff is making him a big priority, but they have their eyes wide open.
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Post by bostonfan on Sept 4, 2019 15:08:26 GMT -5
I think the staff loves the kid, and the kid loves school. I wish that were enough. From where I sit, the staff is making him a big priority, but they have their eyes wide open. The program will need another guard next year than can handle and score the ball. Davis seems like a perfect fit and would give them quality depth behind Akinjo and Mac. If Davis feels he needs to go to a place where he will be a starter as a freshman that could be an issue, but not sure if his other top choices would give him that chance either. He would have a great chance to develop into a big time college player for a year behind Akinjo and Mac. I think that one of those two, could leave before their senior year to try the NBA, and then Davis should be ready to take the team over.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 4, 2019 15:23:33 GMT -5
I think the staff loves the kid, and the kid loves school. I wish that were enough. From where I sit, the staff is making him a big priority, but they have their eyes wide open. The program will need another guard next year than can handle and score the ball. Davis seems like a perfect fit and would give them quality depth behind Akinjo and Mac. If Davis feels he needs to go to a place where he will be a starter as a freshman that could be an issue, but not sure if his other top choices would give him that chance either. He would have a great chance to develop into a big time college player for a year behind Akinjo and Mac. I think that one of those two, could leave before their senior year to try the NBA, and then Davis should be ready to take the team over. True, but sometimes a bigger brand can swoop in and win affections.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 4, 2019 17:12:05 GMT -5
I think the staff loves the kid, and the kid loves school. I wish that were enough. From where I sit, the staff is making him a big priority, but they have their eyes wide open. The program will need another guard next year than can handle and score the ball. Davis seems like a perfect fit and would give them quality depth behind Akinjo and Mac. If Davis feels he needs to go to a place where he will be a starter as a freshman that could be an issue, but not sure if his other top choices would give him that chance either. He would have a great chance to develop into a big time college player for a year behind Akinjo and Mac. I think that one of those two, could leave before their senior year to try the NBA, and then Davis should be ready to take the team over. What about Blair?
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 5, 2019 17:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by caip on Sept 6, 2019 9:35:54 GMT -5
Pitt assistant Tim O'Toole is a Stepinac grad.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 6, 2019 10:18:30 GMT -5
Fwiw, Capel will be speaking at a coaches clinic @ Stepinac the same day RJ starts his OV to Pitt...
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