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Post by MEGAFAN on Feb 11, 2019 19:14:13 GMT -5
Don't disagree with scenario in which only 2 teams from BE get at-large bids, but I would bet on 3 (or maybe even 4) teams making it by the time the season is over. I have a feeling a third team will separate themselves from the middle of the pack - hoping it's our HOYAS - and beyond that, this is a year when the BET could be won by a team that's Nova or Marquette.
So if I were a betting man, I'd bet on 3 teams getting in, but since I am a betting man who loves the long shot / underdog, I'll bet on 4 teams making it from the Big East! Yeah, baby!!!
OK. Now back to realty. Let's beat SHU, get to .500 in conference, and then finish strong en route to 10-8. We can do this. Let's go!
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 11, 2019 20:07:50 GMT -5
The "not best practices" thing has been brought up a few times this season and is a concern at this point. That is as much a program culture thing as anything else. I am sure that having the young guys (freshman/sophomores) understand the level of intensity and focus that is needed everyday in practice at this level is very different from what they experienced in high school, but you would hope by this time in the season they would have adapted better to the expectations of the staff. It needs to become a habit and expectation for everyone that effort and focus are not things the guys can do sometimes, and that if they want to be really successful they need to bring that everyday. These guys are still kids to a big degree but D1 college basketball is a business and they need to treat practice as part of the job everyday. Hope they can raise that intensity level even more as the season goes on. It needs to start with the leadership from the upperclassmen showing the work habits on a daily basis. The "not best practice" might refer to Ewing chewing on the upperclassmen and sophomres, not the freshmen. I don't think the frosh need pushing and he's repeating something Pat has said. If you listen to Mac, his answers are very deliberate. He always gives props to his teammates. The team starts 3 freshmen & a sophomore, how can getting off to a sluggish start to games be the fault of upperclassmen when they're outnumbered on the court?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2019 6:48:45 GMT -5
The "not best practice" might refer to Ewing chewing on the upperclassmen and sophomres, not the freshmen. I don't think the frosh need pushing and he's repeating something Pat has said. If you listen to Mac, his answers are very deliberate. He always gives props to his teammates. The team starts 3 freshmen & a sophomore, how can getting off to a sluggish start to games be the fault of upperclassmen when they're outnumbered on the court? Because in that lineup, the keys are the senior and the sophomore, who should set the example, energy level and bring the experience. If they are on and playing hard and smart, everyone follows.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 12, 2019 7:21:48 GMT -5
The fact that we start three freshman and a sophomore alone speaks volumes.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 12, 2019 10:03:35 GMT -5
5 teams tied for 3rd place. YUP DESPITE ALL THATS FIVE TIED FOR THIRD MUST WIN KEEP ROLLING you never know.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 12, 2019 10:47:14 GMT -5
The "not best practice" might refer to Ewing chewing on the upperclassmen and sophomres, not the freshmen. I don't think the frosh need pushing and he's repeating something Pat has said. If you listen to Mac, his answers are very deliberate. He always gives props to his teammates. The team starts 3 freshmen & a sophomore, how can getting off to a sluggish start to games be the fault of upperclassmen when they're outnumbered on the court? The unquestioned leader of this team should be Jesse Govan. He should be setting the example and demanding his teammates follow. This is his last chance, the urgency should be apparent in his approach.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 12, 2019 10:56:49 GMT -5
The team starts 3 freshmen & a sophomore, how can getting off to a sluggish start to games be the fault of upperclassmen when they're outnumbered on the court? The unquestioned leader of this team should be Jesse Govan. He should be setting the example and demanding his teammates follow. This is his last chance, the urgency should be apparent in his approach. And yet it's been lackadaisical play and poor body language (Nova) or openly criticizing freshman teammates for his own turnovers/mistakes down the stretch of games (Butler). It's time for Jessie to step up with both his play and his leadership. The ticket to the Dance is right there in front of him if he wants it bad enough.
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Post by guru on Feb 12, 2019 12:10:53 GMT -5
The team starts 3 freshmen & a sophomore, how can getting off to a sluggish start to games be the fault of upperclassmen when they're outnumbered on the court? The unquestioned leader of this team should be Jesse Govan. He should be setting the example and demanding his teammates follow. This is his last chance, the urgency should be apparent in his approach. I think that ship has kind of sailed. Govan is gifted offensively, but thinking he might suddenly transform into a feisty, hard-nosed, urgent leader in his final dozen games isn't realistic. I would love for it to happen, just not counting on it. When we put a team full of Ewing players on the court at once, we are going to be very tough (as in brutish) and could soon return to our perch as a team others love to hate. Man, I miss those days.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 12, 2019 12:30:23 GMT -5
The unquestioned leader of this team should be Jesse Govan. He should be setting the example and demanding his teammates follow. This is his last chance, the urgency should be apparent in his approach. I think that ship has kind of sailed. Govan is gifted offensively, but thinking he might suddenly transform into a feisty, hard-nosed, urgent leader in his final dozen games isn't realistic. I would love for it to happen, just not counting on it. When we put a team full of Ewing players on the court at once, we are going to be very tough (as in brutish) and could soon return to our perch as a team others love to hate. Man, I miss those days. Jessie does not need to be feisty to be a leader, and it does not require a 180° turnaround for him or this team. He can lead by just being focused and intense on every play. It won't take much for us to make the step up needed to finish above .500 and possibly in third.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 12, 2019 12:56:02 GMT -5
The team starts 3 freshmen & a sophomore, how can getting off to a sluggish start to games be the fault of upperclassmen when they're outnumbered on the court? Because in that lineup, the keys are the senior and the sophomore, who should set the example, energy level and bring the experience. If they are on and playing hard and smart, everyone follows. In your previous post, you said that "you don't think the frosh need a push" which implies that you think they don't need to be motivated, that they're self-starters... Now you're saying that they're following others? Hard for me to buy this theory considering how aggressive both Akinjo & Mac play, not to mention the energy level that Josh plays with... To me, if the team continually has suspect practices and iffy starts to games then the entire team/coaching staff should be held accountable, not just the "upperclassmen" Whatever happened to win as a team, lose as a team?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2019 12:57:16 GMT -5
I think that ship has kind of sailed. Govan is gifted offensively, but thinking he might suddenly transform into a feisty, hard-nosed, urgent leader in his final dozen games isn't realistic. I would love for it to happen, just not counting on it. When we put a team full of Ewing players on the court at once, we are going to be very tough (as in brutish) and could soon return to our perch as a team others love to hate. Man, I miss those days. Jessie does not need to be feisty to be a leader, and it does not require a 180° turnaround for him or this team. He can lead by just being focused and intense on every play. It won't take much for us to make the step up needed to finish above .500 and possibly in third. When hoping for a turnaround of a senior post player, I think about Duke's Brian Zoubek. A McDonald's All-American coming into college, Zoubek was one of Coach K's many McD's busts until he put it all together from Feb. 13th of his senior year all the way through the Championship game: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401083211You can dominate if you want it, Jessie. Tomorrow is Feb. 13th!
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2019 13:14:17 GMT -5
In your previous post, you said that "you don't think the frosh need a push" which implies that you think they don't need to be motivated, that they're self-starters... Now you're saying that they're following others? Hard for me to buy this theory considering how aggressive both Akinjo & Mac play, not to mention the energy level that Josh plays with... I hope you recognize that there's a difference between being self-starters and following other experienced players. Yes, the frosh (Carter aside because I don't know much about him) are self-starters/motivators, but that doesn't mean they should have to lead the team nor should they be held accountable for leading the team now. Everyone knew it was Jessie's team coming into the season. Next year, it's MacKinJosh's team.
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 12, 2019 13:24:25 GMT -5
Seton Hall has really struggled offensively in conference, but have played well on the defensive side. Force Powell into tough, contested shots. Cale is the only other guy we need to run off the line. A big key will be turnovers, they are last in conference in TO rate. If we can turn live ball turnovers into easy points, I think we have a good chance. I believe we are the better team, but can we win a road game against a team who really needs it?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2019 13:26:43 GMT -5
I believe we are the better team, but can we win a road game against a team who really needs it? We did at Providence.
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 12, 2019 13:29:09 GMT -5
I believe we are the better team, but can we win a road game against a team who really needs it? We did at Providence. Here's to hoping we can do it again!
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 12, 2019 13:34:50 GMT -5
In your previous post, you said that "you don't think the frosh need a push" which implies that you think they don't need to be motivated, that they're self-starters... Now you're saying that they're following others? Hard for me to buy this theory considering how aggressive both Akinjo & Mac play, not to mention the energy level that Josh plays with... I hope you recognize that there's a difference between being self-starters and following other experienced players. Yes, the frosh (Carter aside because I don't know much about him) are self-starters/motivators, but that doesn't mean they should have to lead the team nor should they be held accountable for leading the team now. Everyone knew it was Jessie's team coming into the season. Next year, it's MacKinJosh's team. Why can't they be team leaders? Was Otto the team leader his Soph year or was it Markel? Who was the leader of the team in 05-06? Green or the more experienced Bowman or Cook? Being the best player and team leader isn't necessarily joined at the hip in my view... Kinda seems to me when the team wins, we see posts about the frosh being the "heart" of the team ect.. But when the team loses it's because Jessie fails to lead properly...
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 12, 2019 14:30:00 GMT -5
Who was the leader of the team in 05-06? Green or the more experienced Bowman or Cook? Being the best player and team leader isn't necessarily joined at the hip in my view... My vote would be for Darrel Owens for reasons that I realize might not be obvious to most here.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2019 14:44:10 GMT -5
Why can't they be team leaders? Frosh vs senior who is best, most experienced player... Frosh can do their best, but they'll always need their adjustment and guidance from experienced players and coaches. It's Jessie's team. If we go back to the tournament, it will be "Jessie took us back" and he'll get a lot of NBA attention. If not, Jessie will be the player who never smelled the post-season. Was Otto the team leader his Soph year or was it Markel? Who was the leader of the team in 05-06? Green or the more experienced Bowman or Cook? Otto and Green were sophomores those years, so those examples do not apply to this year's frosh. Being the best player and team leader isn't necessarily joined at the hip in my view... Sure it can happen, but this year the best player is the most experienced player, and is the player everyone looks up to. Everyone was looking forward to Jessie's team once Marcus left. Kinda seems to me when the team wins, we see posts about the frosh being the "heart" of the team ect.. But when the team loses it's because Jessie fails to lead properly... Disagree, Jessie gets his due either way. The frosh are the change in culture of the program, but it hasn't affected "I'm not going to say emotionless" Jessie's standing as the leader of the team. We need Jessie "to bring the heat night in, night out".
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 12, 2019 15:48:03 GMT -5
Why can't they be team leaders? Frosh vs senior who is best, most experienced player... Frosh can do their best, but they'll always need their adjustment and guidance from experienced players and coaches. It's Jessie's team. If we go back to the tournament, it will be "Jessie took us back" and he'll get a lot of NBA attention. If not, Jessie will be the player who never smelled the post-season. Was Otto the team leader his Soph year or was it Markel? Who was the leader of the team in 05-06? Green or the more experienced Bowman or Cook? Otto and Green were sophomores those years, so those examples do not apply to this year's frosh. Being the best player and team leader isn't necessarily joined at the hip in my view... Sure it can happen, but this year the best player is the most experienced player, and is the player everyone looks up to. Everyone was looking forward to Jessie's team once Marcus left. Kinda seems to me when the team wins, we see posts about the frosh being the "heart" of the team ect.. But when the team loses it's because Jessie fails to lead properly... Disagree, Jessie gets his due either way. The frosh are the change in culture of the program, but it hasn't affected "I'm not going to say emotionless" Jessie's standing as the leader of the team. We need Jessie "to bring the heat night in, night out". We have to agree to disagree on this subject...
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 12, 2019 16:19:35 GMT -5
Here's to hoping we can do it again! It won’t be easy. Seton Hall has only lost 3 games at home all year, one of which was Louisville. Granted they haven’t played Nova or Marquette at home but they are a tough out in Jersey. This game and the game at Creighton are truly the high leverage games in determining our finish this year. We really need to split this pair of road games if we want to avoid Weds night at MSG IMO. What makes this game even more important (mostly for the sanity of this board) is we won’t play again until the following week against Nova. That’ll be a really long layoff to be sitting on a two game losing streak, while a win and some rest leading into the Nova game could be a boost.
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