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Post by jester on Mar 25, 2021 21:20:24 GMT -5
Not sure why Q would leave, Omer maybe had more parts to his game than he could showcase at Gtown/NBA prospects, but Q was still perfecting (and making some improvements) to his "near the basket" game, and you cant tell me there are better coaches than Ewing that would work with him on that (and other top big men to go against each day). With the recruits coming in, I think it would have been worth his while to stay/he would have had more upside. Interesting decision to say the least.
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 25, 2021 21:26:26 GMT -5
Geez I avoid Hoyatalk for 1 day and return to the program scrambling again. I guess Q was tired of hearing MOVE, ROLL and REBOUND. Maybe he took MOVE too literally. You win the day good sir.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 25, 2021 22:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 25, 2021 22:35:22 GMT -5
I had forgotten the Ewing Quote that Q had the opportunity to be the best Big Man at Georgetown "if he stays" I too thought the "if he stays" was kind of strange at the time because I was thinking going pro and Remember saying to myself ' that ain't happening. The Colorado game where Ewing was forced to go small because of Q's inability to cover PNR and go out to guard mobile big man, may have foreshadowed for him what it will look like next year with the talent coming in(Beard,Rilley,Aminu, Mutombo, and Billingsley). The first three along with Dante can and will be slashing to the basket all game long. Q being camped out in the paint would not facilitate these slashing moves. '
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2021 22:46:54 GMT -5
I had forgotten the Ewing Quote that Q had the opportunity to be the best Big Man at Georgetown "if he stays" I too thought the "if he stays" was kind of strange at the time because I was thinking going pro and Remember saying to myself ' that ain't happening. The Colorado game where Ewing was forced to go small because of Q's inability to cover PNR and go out to guard mobile big man, may have foreshadowed for him what it will look like next year with the talent coming in(Beard,Rilley,Aminu, Mutombo, and Billingsley). The first three along with Dante can and will be slashing to the basket all game long. Q being camped out in the paint would not facilitate these slashing moves. ' Yeah, feels like he was already planning to leave and then the unexpected BET run happened.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 25, 2021 23:04:01 GMT -5
He doesn't have to say anything, but it would be good if he gave a reason for his decision. He got plenty of playing time, he was the focus of the offense. He did well, but certainly has room to grow. I don't want to spend time thinking about what it could be. He told Coach Ewing something to obtain a release. Maybe Sadly, the team can and should keep moving. Wishing him the best of luck. He is good enough to make some kind of career at this point. I hoped when leaving he'd have an impact and that he'd be ready for the league. I don't know if he is ready now or not. Others have made decisions and were paid to sit on a bench!
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 25, 2021 23:45:23 GMT -5
I was typing something longer but I'm tired. eNotes version: I disagree with just about everything stated above. NBA players adding to their already NBA level skills is completely different than college development (resources, time, innate ability). "Slowly implementing" a bad shot will not help his NBA prospects (and probably not endear him to his new teammates) and there is little evidence that Ewing and staff would not use his outside shooting if it was a viable weapon (point - Yurtseven didn't shoot enough; counterpoint, Govan and Derrickson did). And I don't think Mac changed his NBA prospects; he had more team success, hopefully found the season rewarding and enjoyed himself (so in that way, I agree, a good decision for him). NBA prospects though - exactly the same shooter, did not show any point guard aptitude and his defense was on full display. hm Look, I have no clue if one of the reasons for Q's transfer is to develop his outside shooting. I was only responding to others who were jumping to that conclusion. There's a hundred reasons he could be transferring, and that may or may not be one of them. Folks jumped to the same conclusion with Mac, that he was transferring to develop his PG skills, but he later revealed in an interview that that had nothing to do with his reason for transferring. I honestly doubt that has much to do with Q's transfer... that said, yes if he did slowly add that to his game that absolutely would increase his NBA chances. Vucevic went from 0.1 attempts in 2016, 1.0 attempts in 2017, 3.6 in 2018 to 6.5 this season. Q has a 0 percent chance of playing in the NBA with his current game... he's simply not athletic enough to get there as strictly a post player. Literally his only chance of ever making the league would be to add a reliable 3 point shot. Again, it's not going to happen overnight, if at all, but the sooner he starts working on developing that aspect of his game the less time he would need to waste developing it in the G League or overseas. Why waste 2 more years completely ignoring the most important attribute of a modern day big or player period to then go pro at some level and start working on it then? College is literally for player development. Ultimately I'm not surprised Ewing ran Q off... his stubbornness and unpredictability will be his downfall. Q was likely worried about Mutombo coming in and eventually eating his minutes and supplanting him in the starting lineup. There's simply no rhyme or reason with Ewing... one day you're his guy, the next you're not. Look at Blair's career. Started as a freshman. Played limited minutes as a sophomore. Was literally the 11th or 12th man to start his junior season... after all the transfers became the 6th man... Mac get's hurt and he becomes the star and Ewing's golden boy. Continues as Ewing's golden boy for most of his senior season, then suddenly with no explanation gets a DNP CD, then get's moved to a bench role for the remainder of the season. Many believe Leblanc was the best player on the team as a freshman... gets benched and a minutes reduction as a sophomore. For the all the talk about Akinjo transferring cus he hated Mac, his actual reason for transferring was a locker room blow up with Ewing after being informed Allen would be starting the next game. Mac's reason for transferring likely had at least something to do with recognizing Ewing's sudden affinity for Blair and realizing there was a good chance he would lose his starter spot and see a reduction in minutes if he returned. I'll be curious to see how Ewing handles the influx of talent next season.
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 25, 2021 23:52:54 GMT -5
I had a feeling some changes would happen due to incoming class but did not expect Q to transfer. Good luck Q!
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Post by dense on Mar 26, 2021 0:45:57 GMT -5
I was typing something longer but I'm tired. eNotes version: I disagree with just about everything stated above. NBA players adding to their already NBA level skills is completely different than college development (resources, time, innate ability). "Slowly implementing" a bad shot will not help his NBA prospects (and probably not endear him to his new teammates) and there is little evidence that Ewing and staff would not use his outside shooting if it was a viable weapon (point - Yurtseven didn't shoot enough; counterpoint, Govan and Derrickson did). And I don't think Mac changed his NBA prospects; he had more team success, hopefully found the season rewarding and enjoyed himself (so in that way, I agree, a good decision for him). NBA prospects though - exactly the same shooter, did not show any point guard aptitude and his defense was on full display. hm Look, I have no clue if one of the reasons for Q's transfer is to develop his outside shooting. I was only responding to others who were jumping to that conclusion. There's a hundred reasons he could be transferring, and that may or may not be one of them. Folks jumped to the same conclusion with Mac, that he was transferring to develop his PG skills, but he later revealed in an interview that that had nothing to do with his reason for transferring. I honestly doubt that has much to do with Q's transfer... that said, yes if he did slowly add that to his game that absolutely would increase his NBA chances. Vucevic went from 0.1 attempts in 2016, 1.0 attempts in 2017, 3.6 in 2018 to 6.5 this season. Q has a 0 percent chance of playing in the NBA with his current game... he's simply not athletic enough to get there as strictly a post player. Literally his only chance of ever making the league would be to add a reliable 3 point shot. Again, it's not going to happen overnight, if at all, but the sooner he starts working on developing that aspect of his game the less time he would need to waste developing it in the G League or overseas. Why waste 2 more years completely ignoring the most important attribute of a modern day big or player period to then go pro at some level and start working on it then? College is literally for player development. Ultimately I'm not surprised Ewing ran Q off... his stubbornness and unpredictability will be his downfall. Q was likely worried about Mutombo coming in and eventually eating his minutes and supplanting him in the starting lineup. There's simply no rhyme or reason with Ewing... one day you're his guy, the next you're not. Look at Blair's career. Started as a freshman. Played limited minutes as a sophomore. Was literally the 11th or 12th man to start his junior season... after all the transfers became the 6th man... Mac get's hurt and he becomes the star and Ewing's golden boy. Continues as Ewing's golden boy for most of his senior season, then suddenly with no explanation gets a DNP CD, then get's moved to a bench role for the remainder of the season. Many believe Leblanc was the best player on the team as a freshman... gets benched and a minutes reduction as a sophomore. For the all the talk about Akinjo transferring cus he hated Mac, his actual reason for transferring was a locker room blow up with Ewing after being informed Allen would be starting the next game. Mac's reason for transferring likely had at least something to do with recognizing Ewing's sudden affinity for Blair and realizing there was a good chance he would lose his starter spot and see a reduction in minutes if he returned. I'll be curious to see how Ewing handles the influx of talent next season. Look I know your a Mac guy, but LeBlanc didn't get benched for no reason, we know what the reason was now. Also if Akinjo left cause of what you say. I'm glad he left now. I forget which mid-major we were playing in his last game when he just shot us completely out of it playing hero ball. Remember before our Cuse game Boehiem even chimed in at how abysmal that game was. I think this is just old school coach butting heads with this generation's atheletes.
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Post by the_way on Mar 26, 2021 4:17:12 GMT -5
I was typing something longer but I'm tired. eNotes version: I disagree with just about everything stated above. NBA players adding to their already NBA level skills is completely different than college development (resources, time, innate ability). "Slowly implementing" a bad shot will not help his NBA prospects (and probably not endear him to his new teammates) and there is little evidence that Ewing and staff would not use his outside shooting if it was a viable weapon (point - Yurtseven didn't shoot enough; counterpoint, Govan and Derrickson did). And I don't think Mac changed his NBA prospects; he had more team success, hopefully found the season rewarding and enjoyed himself (so in that way, I agree, a good decision for him). NBA prospects though - exactly the same shooter, did not show any point guard aptitude and his defense was on full display. hm Look, I have no clue if one of the reasons for Q's transfer is to develop his outside shooting. I was only responding to others who were jumping to that conclusion. There's a hundred reasons he could be transferring, and that may or may not be one of them. Folks jumped to the same conclusion with Mac, that he was transferring to develop his PG skills, but he later revealed in an interview that that had nothing to do with his reason for transferring. I honestly doubt that has much to do with Q's transfer... that said, yes if he did slowly add that to his game that absolutely would increase his NBA chances. Vucevic went from 0.1 attempts in 2016, 1.0 attempts in 2017, 3.6 in 2018 to 6.5 this season. Q has a 0 percent chance of playing in the NBA with his current game... he's simply not athletic enough to get there as strictly a post player. Literally his only chance of ever making the league would be to add a reliable 3 point shot. Again, it's not going to happen overnight, if at all, but the sooner he starts working on developing that aspect of his game the less time he would need to waste developing it in the G League or overseas. Why waste 2 more years completely ignoring the most important attribute of a modern day big or player period to then go pro at some level and start working on it then? College is literally for player development. Ultimately I'm not surprised Ewing ran Q off... his stubbornness and unpredictability will be his downfall. Q was likely worried about Mutombo coming in and eventually eating his minutes and supplanting him in the starting lineup. There's simply no rhyme or reason with Ewing... one day you're his guy, the next you're not. Look at Blair's career. Started as a freshman. Played limited minutes as a sophomore. Was literally the 11th or 12th man to start his junior season... after all the transfers became the 6th man... Mac get's hurt and he becomes the star and Ewing's golden boy. Continues as Ewing's golden boy for most of his senior season, then suddenly with no explanation gets a DNP CD, then get's moved to a bench role for the remainder of the season. Many believe Leblanc was the best player on the team as a freshman... gets benched and a minutes reduction as a sophomore. For the all the talk about Akinjo transferring cus he hated Mac, his actual reason for transferring was a locker room blow up with Ewing after being informed Allen would be starting the next game. Mac's reason for transferring likely had at least something to do with recognizing Ewing's sudden affinity for Blair and realizing there was a good chance he would lose his starter spot and see a reduction in minutes if he returned. I'll be curious to see how Ewing handles the influx of talent next season. Shame that Ewing actually coaches his team and has high expectations of his players. Blair did just fine after his DNP this year and his new role as a 6-man. Team wasn't hurt at all by the decision. Won the Big East Tournament after that decision. Allen was the best facilitator and game manager Ewing has had at G-town. Ewing shows affinity for all his players including Q, Mac, Akinjo and LeBlanc. He supported them and allowed them to blossom and play their respective games. Proof in that the 3 that transferred are the same exact players on their new teams. Yeah, Ewing is so bad that he maximized the talent of his players. Those who stayed and those who left. But all that is old news and the past. All people can do now is bring up old history that has been proven irrelevant with this year's success. We accomplished so much and moved on from the 3rd year exodus of players who didn't want to be here for whatever reasons.
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Post by Omega on Mar 26, 2021 4:50:08 GMT -5
I was typing something longer but I'm tired. eNotes version: I disagree with just about everything stated above. NBA players adding to their already NBA level skills is completely different than college development (resources, time, innate ability). "Slowly implementing" a bad shot will not help his NBA prospects (and probably not endear him to his new teammates) and there is little evidence that Ewing and staff would not use his outside shooting if it was a viable weapon (point - Yurtseven didn't shoot enough; counterpoint, Govan and Derrickson did). And I don't think Mac changed his NBA prospects; he had more team success, hopefully found the season rewarding and enjoyed himself (so in that way, I agree, a good decision for him). NBA prospects though - exactly the same shooter, did not show any point guard aptitude and his defense was on full display. hm Look, I have no clue if one of the reasons for Q's transfer is to develop his outside shooting. I was only responding to others who were jumping to that conclusion. There's a hundred reasons he could be transferring, and that may or may not be one of them. Folks jumped to the same conclusion with Mac, that he was transferring to develop his PG skills, but he later revealed in an interview that that had nothing to do with his reason for transferring. I honestly doubt that has much to do with Q's transfer... that said, yes if he did slowly add that to his game that absolutely would increase his NBA chances. Vucevic went from 0.1 attempts in 2016, 1.0 attempts in 2017, 3.6 in 2018 to 6.5 this season. Q has a 0 percent chance of playing in the NBA with his current game... he's simply not athletic enough to get there as strictly a post player. Literally his only chance of ever making the league would be to add a reliable 3 point shot. Again, it's not going to happen overnight, if at all, but the sooner he starts working on developing that aspect of his game the less time he would need to waste developing it in the G League or overseas. Why waste 2 more years completely ignoring the most important attribute of a modern day big or player period to then go pro at some level and start working on it then? College is literally for player development. Ultimately I'm not surprised Ewing ran Q off... his stubbornness and unpredictability will be his downfall. Q was likely worried about Mutombo coming in and eventually eating his minutes and supplanting him in the starting lineup. There's simply no rhyme or reason with Ewing... one day you're his guy, the next you're not. Look at Blair's career. Started as a freshman. Played limited minutes as a sophomore. Was literally the 11th or 12th man to start his junior season... after all the transfers became the 6th man... Mac get's hurt and he becomes the star and Ewing's golden boy. Continues as Ewing's golden boy for most of his senior season, then suddenly with no explanation gets a DNP CD, then get's moved to a bench role for the remainder of the season. Many believe Leblanc was the best player on the team as a freshman... gets benched and a minutes reduction as a sophomore. For the all the talk about Akinjo transferring cus he hated Mac, his actual reason for transferring was a locker room blow up with Ewing after being informed Allen would be starting the next game. Mac's reason for transferring likely had at least something to do with recognizing Ewing's sudden affinity for Blair and realizing there was a good chance he would lose his starter spot and see a reduction in minutes if he returned. I'll be curious to see how Ewing handles the influx of talent next season. Wow...all this huh? So where is you blog?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2021 5:36:33 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2021 5:52:00 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 26, 2021 6:41:28 GMT -5
I was typing something longer but I'm tired. eNotes version: I disagree with just about everything stated above. NBA players adding to their already NBA level skills is completely different than college development (resources, time, innate ability). "Slowly implementing" a bad shot will not help his NBA prospects (and probably not endear him to his new teammates) and there is little evidence that Ewing and staff would not use his outside shooting if it was a viable weapon (point - Yurtseven didn't shoot enough; counterpoint, Govan and Derrickson did). And I don't think Mac changed his NBA prospects; he had more team success, hopefully found the season rewarding and enjoyed himself (so in that way, I agree, a good decision for him). NBA prospects though - exactly the same shooter, did not show any point guard aptitude and his defense was on full display. hm Look, I have no clue if one of the reasons for Q's transfer is to develop his outside shooting. I was only responding to others who were jumping to that conclusion. There's a hundred reasons he could be transferring, and that may or may not be one of them. Folks jumped to the same conclusion with Mac, that he was transferring to develop his PG skills, but he later revealed in an interview that that had nothing to do with his reason for transferring. I honestly doubt that has much to do with Q's transfer... that said, yes if he did slowly add that to his game that absolutely would increase his NBA chances. Vucevic went from 0.1 attempts in 2016, 1.0 attempts in 2017, 3.6 in 2018 to 6.5 this season. Q has a 0 percent chance of playing in the NBA with his current game... he's simply not athletic enough to get there as strictly a post player. Literally his only chance of ever making the league would be to add a reliable 3 point shot. Again, it's not going to happen overnight, if at all, but the sooner he starts working on developing that aspect of his game the less time he would need to waste developing it in the G League or overseas. Why waste 2 more years completely ignoring the most important attribute of a modern day big or player period to then go pro at some level and start working on it then? College is literally for player development. Ultimately I'm not surprised Ewing ran Q off... his stubbornness and unpredictability will be his downfall. Q was likely worried about Mutombo coming in and eventually eating his minutes and supplanting him in the starting lineup. There's simply no rhyme or reason with Ewing... one day you're his guy, the next you're not. Look at Blair's career. Started as a freshman. Played limited minutes as a sophomore. Was literally the 11th or 12th man to start his junior season... after all the transfers became the 6th man... Mac get's hurt and he becomes the star and Ewing's golden boy. Continues as Ewing's golden boy for most of his senior season, then suddenly with no explanation gets a DNP CD, then get's moved to a bench role for the remainder of the season. Many believe Leblanc was the best player on the team as a freshman... gets benched and a minutes reduction as a sophomore. For the all the talk about Akinjo transferring cus he hated Mac, his actual reason for transferring was a locker room blow up with Ewing after being informed Allen would be starting the next game. Mac's reason for transferring likely had at least something to do with recognizing Ewing's sudden affinity for Blair and realizing there was a good chance he would lose his starter spot and see a reduction in minutes if he returned. I'll be curious to see how Ewing handles the influx of talent next season. Alot of fan fiction there, involving coach. Not sure why you keep brining up Vucevic who is 7 feet with a 7-5 wingpan. He didn't start shooting 3's till he was 26 years old. So that's 7 years of training after his sophomore season at SC. It took him that long to master that skill. I'm disappointed in you. This is the first time I've seen you express doubt about Mac making the NBA. Seems to coincide with your negative takes and attitude. What has changed to make you express weakness in Mac making the NBA?
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Post by calhoya on Mar 26, 2021 7:12:40 GMT -5
All the talk about doing better by picking up a more developed player assumes that there will be more transfers out. By my count the Hoyas are at the scholarship limit and the only "bigs" that could come in as of now would be Bile or Pickett. Pickett seems gone for certain and Bile is really much more of a 3-4 than a post.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 26, 2021 7:17:00 GMT -5
All the talk about doing better by picking up a more developed player assumes that there will be more transfers out. By my count the Hoyas are at the scholarship limit and the only "bigs" that could come in as of now would be Bile or Pickett. Pickett seems gone for certain and Bile is really much more of a 3-4 than a post. As Q has shown, the scholarships will work themselves out if a Chet or Baldwin somehow decided to come here.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2021 7:25:18 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Mar 26, 2021 7:37:08 GMT -5
This is college basketball today. I am still shocked by this, as Qudus’ improvement under Ewing has been immense and I was really looking forward to seeing it continue. But I honestly think this is simply more of a college basketball problem than a Georgetown one. I’ll be rooting for him at his next stop.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 26, 2021 7:39:15 GMT -5
This is college basketball today. I am still shocked by this, as Qudus’ improvement under Ewing has been immense and I was really looking forward to seeing it continue. But I honestly think this is simply more of a college basketball problem than a Georgetown one. I’ll be rooting for him at his next stop. Yeah it's simply the free market at play. Having to sit out a year was always the biggest barrier to transferring (as there's a potential economic cost to locking yourself to 2 years at the new school).
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 26, 2021 7:55:41 GMT -5
Q is a great kid and whether he made the right decision will be determined in time. That said, he’s ancient history to me and I do not need to root for him. Like Mac, I wouldn’t shed a tear if he fizzled out at the end of the year.
Personally, there were times where I thought our offense suffered when we were trying to force feed Q the ball and he was robotic and predictable in his game. The fluidity of our offense would come to a stall. I can say that while the staff is disappointed y the transfer, they don’t think it’s entirely a bad thing....and neither do I.
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