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Post by mdtd on Mar 25, 2021 20:19:31 GMT -5
Because they were teammates and friends man. That's why. It's supporting someone who you liked. Guys do this all the time. This is nothing. Also I said "something like" because I was too lazy to find the post. Here it is. There's nothing here man. Also, you are the same guy who said to show Akinjo film to Dante. How are these two examples different? If anything wouldn't watching footage of former players be more insulting to a current guy than tapping a button on your phone to support a friend? Vs the staff showing our new PG film of their old PG, showing that A. they didn't move on and B. that they feel they downgraded? Isn't that worse? Sorry mtdt, I was busy with something else and that is why I am responding to you so late. So this is the post that Q liked? Okay, I will give you that. Here is my problem....and maybe I am wrong for this...I just don't understand how a guy can like or be friends with a guy that left my team high and dry. I don't know maybe I'm wrong for the way I think. As a fan, I like Mac but if I'm on that Hoya team, I ain't got no words for Mac. Didn't Mac say that he didn't like the environment at Georgetown? Some people said that Mac didn't even like some of his teammates. Again, maybe I might be wrong for the way I feel in that regards but I ain't feeling it. Far as I am concerned, Mac probably was in his ear the whole time. Again, Akinjo is different because Akinjo left because Mac was getting all the shine and to be honest, Akinjo was a much more effective player than Mac in my mind. I think Akinjo left because he was tired of coach trusting Mac to make the plays and not Akinjo. Again, I like both Mac and Akinjo but maybe Mac is in Q's ear. You never know. First off, I disagree with much more effective, but I don't want the guy who comes on this board solely to talk about Mac to get involved in this conversation. Not to mention Akinjo had the ball much more than Mac, but I digress. Also though, why would Mac get Q away from Georgetown? Why would he want to sabotage the program? C'mon man. If he goes to TTU I can see this theory popping up, but you are telling me that you think because Q liked a post from a former teammate that the teammate was in his ear and is trying to sabotage our program and current coach?
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Post by hoyadestroya on Mar 25, 2021 20:23:25 GMT -5
Geez I avoid Hoyatalk for 1 day and return to the program scrambling again. I guess Q was tired of hearing MOVE, ROLL and REBOUND.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 25, 2021 20:24:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry... what? Really? You heard me. Calipari and Coach K didn't even make the tournament this year. Self had a subpar team. Even with the best players money can buy, it's a new world out there now. That's an insane take. One bad year for them (Cal and K) missing the tournament tells you they can't adapt but three missed tournament years under Ewing tell you that he's now adapted. Really? So when they're sadly back in the tournament next year, will you admit this take was insane? You know because Duke has two top 10 guys going to their school, and Kentucky has three top 31 guys with one of the best transfers in Tshiebwe (also is this what you mean by adapting?), and Bill Self is an excellent basketball mind who had two of his best players just return from covid breaks before the tournament. The same team that was a three seed (also if this is subpar sign me up for subpar) and beat the second best team in the country (Baylor) handily. But Ewing has adapted better, after losing his star center? Come on man. There's still a ton of room for this team to grow if we use the portal well. This is not what I'm saying. But, adapted better than K, Cal and Self after one BET run, where we got drubbed in the tourney? Come on man. There's a ton of room for our team to grow still. Let's be realistic.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2021 20:25:19 GMT -5
Geez I avoid Hoyatalk for 1 day and return to the program scrambling again. I guess Q was tired of hearing MOVE, ROLL and REBOUND. Maybe he took MOVE too literally.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2021 20:28:41 GMT -5
You heard me. Calipari and Coach K didn't even make the tournament this year. Self had a subpar team. Even with the best players money can buy, it's a new world out there now. That's an insane take. One bad year for them (Cal and K) missing the tournament tells you they can't adapt but three missed tournament years under Ewing tell you that he's now adapted. Really? So when they're sadly back in the tournament next year, will you admit this take was insane? You know because Duke has two top 10 guys going to their school, and Kentucky has three top 31 guys with one of the best transfers in Tshiebwe (also is this what you mean by adapting?), and Bill Self is an excellent basketball mind who had two of his best players just return from covid breaks before the tournament. The same team that was a three seed (also if this is subpar sign me up for subpar) and beat the second best team in the country (Baylor) handily. But Ewing has adapted better, after losing his star center? Come on man. Coach K is done. Any time now I think he will retire. Jayhawk fans have been wanting to get rid of Self for a long time since 2009. (The expectation is National Championship every year and at the very least Final Four or season is a complete failure) Calipari I think is ready to bolt to the NBA as the one and done model has been upturned by G-league select. These three are the old guard now and will make way for guys like Porter Moser, Nate Oats, Chris Beard.
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Post by hoyas212 on Mar 25, 2021 20:29:13 GMT -5
It should be very apparent: mistakes have been made in recruiting strategies and retaining players has been problematic, therefore new assistants should be brought in to address the matters. Okay..but it seems, based on a post provided earlier, that his teammates didn't even see this coming. If true, then it's not something systematic as I "hear" you to be saying. Nothing in Kobe's IG post indicated teammates did or didn't see it coming. Of course no 1 case is emblematic of anything systemic. There has been an undeniable macro issue of retaining players, from disciplinary issues to 3 players who had huge roles. Taking 3 centers was a mistake in 2019, and the jury is very much out on the wisdom of taking so many unheralded players in 2020 ahead of an offseason that was predicted to have an unprecedented number of transfers.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2021 20:34:38 GMT -5
Sorry mtdt, I was busy with something else and that is why I am responding to you so late. So this is the post that Q liked? Okay, I will give you that. Here is my problem....and maybe I am wrong for this...I just don't understand how a guy can like or be friends with a guy that left my team high and dry. I don't know maybe I'm wrong for the way I think. As a fan, I like Mac but if I'm on that Hoya team, I ain't got no words for Mac. Didn't Mac say that he didn't like the environment at Georgetown? Some people said that Mac didn't even like some of his teammates. Again, maybe I might be wrong for the way I feel in that regards but I ain't feeling it. Far as I am concerned, Mac probably was in his ear the whole time. Again, Akinjo is different because Akinjo left because Mac was getting all the shine and to be honest, Akinjo was a much more effective player than Mac in my mind. I think Akinjo left because he was tired of coach trusting Mac to make the plays and not Akinjo. Again, I like both Mac and Akinjo but maybe Mac is in Q's ear. You never know. First off, I disagree with much more effective, but I don't want the guy who comes on this board solely to talk about Mac to get involved in this conversation. Not to mention Akinjo had the ball much more than Mac, but I digress. Also though, why would Mac get Q away from Georgetown? Why would he want to sabotage the program? C'mon man. If he goes to TTU I can see this theory popping up, but you are telling me that you think because Q liked a post from a former teammate that the teammate was in his ear and is trying to sabotage our program and current coach? I don't think it has to be anything nefarious like that. I actually haven't heard of any of our players like or tweet Mac all season till this tweet. In fact there's never been any chatter with Q on social media like there has been with our other players. But if you were to transfer, who better to ask about the transfer process than the guy who already transferred. The implication of the twitter like is simply that he probably asked Mac how to go about it, what to do. Not sure why anyone would read more than that into it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 20:36:58 GMT -5
Sorry mtdt, I was busy with something else and that is why I am responding to you so late. So this is the post that Q liked? Okay, I will give you that. Here is my problem....and maybe I am wrong for this...I just don't understand how a guy can like or be friends with a guy that left my team high and dry. I don't know maybe I'm wrong for the way I think. As a fan, I like Mac but if I'm on that Hoya team, I ain't got no words for Mac. Didn't Mac say that he didn't like the environment at Georgetown? Some people said that Mac didn't even like some of his teammates. Again, maybe I might be wrong for the way I feel in that regards but I ain't feeling it. Far as I am concerned, Mac probably was in his ear the whole time. Again, Akinjo is different because Akinjo left because Mac was getting all the shine and to be honest, Akinjo was a much more effective player than Mac in my mind. I think Akinjo left because he was tired of coach trusting Mac to make the plays and not Akinjo. Again, I like both Mac and Akinjo but maybe Mac is in Q's ear. You never know. First off, I disagree with much more effective, but I don't want the guy who comes on this board solely to talk about Mac to get involved in this conversation. Not to mention Akinjo had the ball much more than Mac, but I digress. Also though, why would Mac get Q away from Georgetown? Why would he want to sabotage the program? C'mon man. If he goes to TTU I can see this theory popping up, but you are telling me that you think because Q liked a post from a former teammate that the teammate was in his ear and is trying to sabotage our program and current coach? Man you don't know what young people do? Yes of course they do. Of course they can try to persuade or dissuade other young people. They do it all the time! Just because he doesn't end up at Texas Tech doesn't mean Mac wasn't in his ear about transferring to a different program man. C'mon man don't be naïve! Now I hope that's not the case but you never know. Here is how the conversation could have gone: Q: You think I need to transfer to another program where I can focus on shooting jump shots and threes because I really want to go pro in a year or two? I mean the people on HoyaTalk keep saying that I'm messing up on defense and I am really hurting the team because all I do is rebound, score twos at a high clip and block shots. They say I will never make NBA because I'm not shooting threes like some of these other centers. Mac: Yeah man I understand what you're saying. That's the reason why I left Georgetown because people were saying that I would never make the NBA because I'm not a "real" point guard. Some on HoyaTalk said that I needed to go to the "Guru" Chris Beard and that he will make me a real point guard so that when I'm ready for the draft, I will get picked in the top ten. Q: Oh yeah? Mac: Yeah man cause I don't think Patrick can teach you how to shoot a three because after all didn't all he do was just dunk the basketball when he was at Georgetown? Q: Yep, you right. I'm transferring tomorrow. Mac: Bet!
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 25, 2021 20:41:46 GMT -5
I don't want to see Q go either. He is a good player. At the same time, life goes on brother. Gotta keep moving forward. If Q feels like he needs to transfer, you can't force a guy to stay. If his heart isn't here anymore, it is best for all involved to part ways. Maybe he reconsiders. Hopefully so, but if not, wish him the best and next man up. Ewing has proven this year he can bounce back and replenish the roster towards success. I have a feeling that Patrick has moved on, so Q reconsidering is not an option. Totally agree. I don't see Patrick opening that door again...and I don't blame him. Unless there's something very broken behind the scenes, this looks like a tragic mistake by Q and his people. There isn't a single major conference team in the nation who will feature him like Ewing did.
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Post by Omega on Mar 25, 2021 20:41:48 GMT -5
Okay..but it seems, based on a post provided earlier, that his teammates didn't even see this coming. If true, then it's not something systematic as I "hear" you to be saying. Nothing in Kobe's IG post indicated teammates did or didn't see it coming. Of course no 1 case is emblematic of anything systemic. There has been an undeniable macro issue of retaining players, from disciplinary issues to 3 players who had huge roles. Taking 3 centers was a mistake in 2019, and the jury is very much out on the wisdom of taking so many unheralded players in 2020 ahead of an offseason that was predicted to have an unprecedented number of transfers. We can agree on the three centers, but the seeing into the future is where i get off this train.
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Post by hoyas212 on Mar 25, 2021 20:42:14 GMT -5
Scratching my head about this post...and your point is? I didn't even respond to this guy's post because it seemed to have an ulterior motive to me by talking about the assistant coaches which obviously doesn't have anything to do with the subject matter. Didn't respond by responding. Ulterior motive? I can assure you Jack DeGioia, Lee Reed, and Patrick Ewing aren't going to see this and that they wouldn't care if they did. Guess I shouldn't be surprised that the guy who thinks points per game is more meaningful than usage doesn't think that discussing assistant coaches is germane to a discussion about player retention.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 25, 2021 20:44:51 GMT -5
First off, I disagree with much more effective, but I don't want the guy who comes on this board solely to talk about Mac to get involved in this conversation. Not to mention Akinjo had the ball much more than Mac, but I digress. Also though, why would Mac get Q away from Georgetown? Why would he want to sabotage the program? C'mon man. If he goes to TTU I can see this theory popping up, but you are telling me that you think because Q liked a post from a former teammate that the teammate was in his ear and is trying to sabotage our program and current coach? Man you don't know what young people do? Yes of course they do. Of course they can try to persuade or dissuade other young people. They do it all the time! Just because he doesn't end up at Texas Tech doesn't mean Mac wasn't in his ear about transferring to a different program man. C'mon man don't be naïve! Now I hope that's not the case but you never know. Here is how the conversation could have gone: Q: You think I need to transfer to another program where I can focus on shooting jump shots and threes because I really want to go pro in a year or two? I mean the people on HoyaTalk keep saying that I'm messing up on defense and I am really hurting the team because all I do is rebound, score twos at a high clip and block shots. They say I will never make NBA because I'm not shooting threes like some of these other centers. Mac: Yeah man I understand what you're saying. That's the reason why I left Georgetown because people were saying that I would never make the NBA because I'm not a "real" point guard. Some on HoyaTalk said that I needed to go to the "Guru" Chris Beard and that he will make me a real point guard so that when I'm ready for the draft, I will get picked in the top ten. Q: Oh yeah? Mac: Yeah man cause I don't think Patrick can teach you how to shoot a three because after all didn't all he do was just dunk the basketball when he was at Georgetown? Q: Yep, you right. I'm transferring tomorrow. Mac: Bet! Yeah I would go out on a limb to say that 1. Players don't read HoyaTalk, nor should they 2. There's no reason for Q to talk to Mac about transferring for any reason 3. That's not how the transfer portal works and this clearly didn't blindside Coach 4. Weren't there like five pages in this thread about this being from his guardian? Because it seems more like that than anything else. 5. There's no reason for Mac to encourage Q to leave the program. Let's not go full conspiracy theory here
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 20:46:20 GMT -5
I didn't even respond to this guy's post because it seemed to have an ulterior motive to me by talking about the assistant coaches which obviously doesn't have anything to do with the subject matter. Didn't respond by responding. Ulterior motive? I can assure you Jack DeGioia, Lee Reed, and Patrick Ewing aren't going to see this and that they wouldn't care if they did. Guess I shouldn't be surprised that the guy who thinks points per game is more meaningful than usage doesn't think that discussing assistant coaches is germane to a discussion about player retention. No I said I didn't respond to you. I responded to the guy who was questioning you but I didn't respond to you. But since you want me to respond, I will respond. It goes like this....If I am writing a paper on Romeo and Juliet why would I write about Zeus in my paper? That's all I am saying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 20:47:08 GMT -5
Man you don't know what young people do? Yes of course they do. Of course they can try to persuade or dissuade other young people. They do it all the time! Just because he doesn't end up at Texas Tech doesn't mean Mac wasn't in his ear about transferring to a different program man. C'mon man don't be naïve! Now I hope that's not the case but you never know. Here is how the conversation could have gone: Q: You think I need to transfer to another program where I can focus on shooting jump shots and threes because I really want to go pro in a year or two? I mean the people on HoyaTalk keep saying that I'm messing up on defense and I am really hurting the team because all I do is rebound, score twos at a high clip and block shots. They say I will never make NBA because I'm not shooting threes like some of these other centers. Mac: Yeah man I understand what you're saying. That's the reason why I left Georgetown because people were saying that I would never make the NBA because I'm not a "real" point guard. Some on HoyaTalk said that I needed to go to the "Guru" Chris Beard and that he will make me a real point guard so that when I'm ready for the draft, I will get picked in the top ten. Q: Oh yeah? Mac: Yeah man cause I don't think Patrick can teach you how to shoot a three because after all didn't all he do was just dunk the basketball when he was at Georgetown? Q: Yep, you right. I'm transferring tomorrow. Mac: Bet! Yeah I would go out on a limb to say that 1. Players don't read HoyaTalk, nor should they 2. There's no reason for Q to talk to Mac about transferring for any reason 3. That's not how the transfer portal works and this clearly didn't blindside Coach 4. Weren't there like five pages in this thread about this being from his guardian? Because it seems more like that than anything else. 5. There's no reason for Mac to encourage Q to leave the program. Let's not go full conspiracy theory here Okay mtdt...you got it!
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2021 20:50:10 GMT -5
Man you don't know what young people do? Yes of course they do. Of course they can try to persuade or dissuade other young people. They do it all the time! Just because he doesn't end up at Texas Tech doesn't mean Mac wasn't in his ear about transferring to a different program man. C'mon man don't be naïve! Now I hope that's not the case but you never know. Here is how the conversation could have gone: Q: You think I need to transfer to another program where I can focus on shooting jump shots and threes because I really want to go pro in a year or two? I mean the people on HoyaTalk keep saying that I'm messing up on defense and I am really hurting the team because all I do is rebound, score twos at a high clip and block shots. They say I will never make NBA because I'm not shooting threes like some of these other centers. Mac: Yeah man I understand what you're saying. That's the reason why I left Georgetown because people were saying that I would never make the NBA because I'm not a "real" point guard. Some on HoyaTalk said that I needed to go to the "Guru" Chris Beard and that he will make me a real point guard so that when I'm ready for the draft, I will get picked in the top ten. Q: Oh yeah? Mac: Yeah man cause I don't think Patrick can teach you how to shoot a three because after all didn't all he do was just dunk the basketball when he was at Georgetown? Q: Yep, you right. I'm transferring tomorrow. Mac: Bet! Yeah I would go out on a limb to say that 1. Players don't read HoyaTalk, nor should they 2. There's no reason for Q to talk to Mac about transferring for any reason 3. That's not how the transfer portal works and this clearly didn't blindside Coach 4. Weren't there like five pages in this thread about this being from his guardian? Because it seems more like that than anything else. 5. There's no reason for Mac to encourage Q to leave the program. Let's not go full conspiracy theory here If the players and coaches read Hoyatalk, then the program and all of us our all doomed.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 25, 2021 20:51:29 GMT -5
Geez I avoid Hoyatalk for 1 day and return to the program scrambling again. I guess Q was tired of hearing MOVE, ROLL and REBOUND. You took these words right out of my mouth. I spent the day driving from NJ to RI and back, and this is the news with which I am greeted. Jeez.
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Post by b52legend on Mar 25, 2021 20:52:15 GMT -5
I have no idea why Q is leaving. I had nothing but respect for him while he was on the hilltop and am sorry that he doesn’t think GTown can provide him what he needs. I would have thought the opportunity to be the centerpiece at a school like GTown under the tutelage of Ewing with a PG like Harris and the recruits coming in would be appealing. Not to mention that we just won the BET. And the degree he could earn would likely be worth much more than that received any institution he might consider transferring to. But what do I know. And like I said, I’m not close to the program or this situation. Wish Q the best - I honestly do - but sad for him and the program.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 20:55:05 GMT -5
Yeah I would go out on a limb to say that 1. Players don't read HoyaTalk, nor should they 2. There's no reason for Q to talk to Mac about transferring for any reason 3. That's not how the transfer portal works and this clearly didn't blindside Coach 4. Weren't there like five pages in this thread about this being from his guardian? Because it seems more like that than anything else. 5. There's no reason for Mac to encourage Q to leave the program. Let's not go full conspiracy theory here If the players and coaches read Hoyatalk, then the program and all of us our all doomed. You gotta admit, it was a great dialogue though!
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2021 20:56:55 GMT -5
Geez I avoid Hoyatalk for 1 day and return to the program scrambling again. I guess Q was tired of hearing MOVE, ROLL and REBOUND. You took these words right out of my mouth. I spent the day driving from NJ to RI and back, and this is the news with which I am greeted. Jeez. The title of the thread was just Qudus Wahab till about 4 hours ago. I was pretty much ignoring the thread because it didn't seem like anything important but noticed it kept getting bumped to the top. Then when I opened it there were pages and pages of dialogue on him transferring. Quite the shock.
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Post by the_way on Mar 25, 2021 21:02:40 GMT -5
Geez I avoid Hoyatalk for 1 day and return to the program scrambling again. I guess Q was tired of hearing MOVE, ROLL and REBOUND. Maybe he took MOVE too literally. Maybe he'll take "Get back, Get back!" literally too.
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