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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2019 21:08:47 GMT -5
Ratings much lower next weekend if UCF playing than Duke. It’s all about the 💰 is this serious? Both definitely true. You can decide for yourself if they are connected. I’m not necessarily saying that.  |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2019 21:24:53 GMT -5
Both definitely true. You can decide for yourself if they are connected. I’m not necessarily saying that. In general they just want the huge schools with giant alumni bases to be in the final four. A cinderalla makes a nice story but ticket prices, travel and spending plummets when a Cinderella takes one of the 4 spots. Last year ticket prices were great (for the spectator) for the final four because Loyola had no fan base. I believe that's why they came up with this NET system all of a sudden. If a fake cinderella like Ohio State or Oregon make the Final Four it doesn't hurt them because those are top schools with giant alumni bases. |
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Post by 3xhoya on Mar 24, 2019 21:29:01 GMT -5
Pretty much every Cinderella except UCIrvine is gone. Good job NCAA and your NET rankings. This tournament is noticeably stale. Looking at the matchups today there were few (really only Oregon UC Irvine, but it’s too late to watch the whole thing) I was inclined to watch. Is this really because of the NET? How do you think the NET caused this? |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2019 21:40:06 GMT -5
Pretty much every Cinderella except UCIrvine is gone. Good job NCAA and your NET rankings. This tournament is noticeably stale. Looking at the matchups today there were few (really only Oregon UC Irvine, but it’s too late to watch the whole thing) I was inclined to watch. Is this really because of the NET? How do you think the NET caused this? when the Net first came in they were saying that it was going to squeeze out the small schools that weren't in the power conferences. For a small school in a small conference to make the tourney they basically have to win their tourney. (with the exception of Gonzaga who has a great track record now and is able to schedule tough opponents). And that's basically what has happened. There are less small schools so percentage wise you are less likely to have true Cinderella's. The small schools that normally would have gotten spots are getting passed over for teams like Oregon (4th in Pac with a 10-8 record), Ohio State (8th in the Big 10), Florida (8th in the SEC) with large alumni bases. And the small school that do get put in the tourney now are slotted in against guys like Duke or UK early. A team like Shaka's Smart's Final Four VCU who didn't win their conference tourney wouldn't have made the tourney with the NET system. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2019 21:52:32 GMT -5
For neutrals the tournament is basically over after the first weekend. Thanks, NCAA.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 24, 2019 22:02:37 GMT -5
Both definitely true. You can decide for yourself if they are connected. I’m not necessarily saying that. They’ve already sold the ad spots for next week. I suppose they could be forced to pay back some of the ad revenue if the ratings are really low but it’s hard to imagine that any school moves the needle that much. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2019 22:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 24, 2019 23:01:42 GMT -5
Goodness that overhead shot shows Barrett pushing the UCF player in the back and under the basket to get the rebound for the winning shot. SMH Even worse is the commentators wouldn't even acknowledge it.....I HATE DUKE!!!! I always mute the Duke games when they have fully partisan announcers such former Dukies like Bilas, Jayson Williams, and Grant Hill and honorary Dukies (lifetime achievement award) DICKie V. To much sucking & BS for me stomach. Really really wish the networks wouldn't have them (especially purposefully) calling the Duke games.... |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 24, 2019 23:06:54 GMT -5
Had they lost I really wonder if Coach K's one-and-done strategy would be reconsidered. All things being equal, for the talent they've had since the 2010 title, only one Final Four in '15 and the one title (that they were fortunate Wisconsin did their bidding and knocked out undefeated Kentucky), it has not been a good run in the tournament for them. In my opinion, post 2005 Duke to the present has been a vastly underachieving group in the NCAAs, and Coach K never gets any heat. On the other end of the spectrum I feel Roy Williams is very underrated for what he has been doing. 3 titles and a runner up since being there, with numerous Final Fours. And the one stat I did't realize until this week, he has never lost a first round game in the tournament. That is insane given the parity, the luck, and just the number of opportunities there have been for a loss, yet I believe he's now 25-0. Much easier to do when your athletes don't have to worry about the academic side being a "student-athlete".... |
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 25, 2019 2:05:40 GMT -5
Hat tip to Jagan Mosely.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2019 6:06:01 GMT -5
It's funny cause there's a kernal of truth to it. Usually more so in the NBA but seems to be creeping into the college game. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 25, 2019 8:23:20 GMT -5
This tournament is noticeably stale. Looking at the matchups today there were few (really only Oregon UC Irvine, but it’s too late to watch the whole thing) I was inclined to watch. Is this really because of the NET? How do you think the NET caused this? when the Net first came in they were saying that it was going to squeeze out the small schools that weren't in the power conferences. For a small school in a small conference to make the tourney they basically have to win their tourney. (with the exception of Gonzaga who has a great track record now and is able to schedule tough opponents). And that's basically what has happened. There are less small schools so percentage wise you are less likely to have true Cinderella's. The small schools that normally would have gotten spots are getting passed over for teams like Oregon (4th in Pac with a 10-8 record), Ohio State (8th in the Big 10), Florida (8th in the SEC) with large alumni bases. And the small school that do get put in the tourney now are slotted in against guys like Duke or UK early. A team like Shaka's Smart's Final Four VCU who didn't win their conference tourney wouldn't have made the tourney with the NET system. To me, the biggest issue lessening opportunities for smaller schools is league realignment. The A-10 was a very good league....it's best teams moved to the AAC and the Big East. CUSA lost some top schools to the Big East, and then to the AAC. It's now a low-major league. Same with the Colonial. In the midwest, the MVC and Horizon have lost their best teams. And out west, there's been constant movement of the better teams from lower leagues upward....from Big West, to WAC, to Mountain West, to Pac-12. (Shoot, it wasn't that long ago that Va. Tech was in the A-10! And Butler was in the Horizon!) The effect is two-fold. First, no one thinks of the Butlers or Xaviers of the world (to use two examples most familiar to us) as "cinderellas" or mid-majors anymore. So...when those schools get in or advance, no one thinks twice. And second, it's much harder for the teams left in the smaller conferences to rack up impressive wins. Rhode Island used to get multiple cracks at the top A-10 teams...win a couple and you might get in. Now, none of those wins is impressive. The bottom line is there are a lot fewer leagues with very good teams now. 30 or 20 or even 10 years ago, you had leagues like the MWC, A-10, WAC, and MVC routinely with at least one very good team each year -- which allowed for multiple teams in those leagues to get bids almost every year. Now? It's much harder. |
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Post by Elvado on Mar 25, 2019 8:37:22 GMT -5
Had they lost I really wonder if Coach K's one-and-done strategy would be reconsidered. All things being equal, for the talent they've had since the 2010 title, only one Final Four in '15 and the one title (that they were fortunate Wisconsin did their bidding and knocked out undefeated Kentucky), it has not been a good run in the tournament for them. In my opinion, post 2005 Duke to the present has been a vastly underachieving group in the NCAAs, and Coach K never gets any heat. On the other end of the spectrum I feel Roy Williams is very underrated for what he has been doing. 3 titles and a runner up since being there, with numerous Final Fours. And the one stat I did't realize until this week, he has never lost a first round game in the tournament. That is insane given the parity, the luck, and just the number of opportunities there have been for a loss, yet I believe he's now 25-0. Much easier to do when your athletes don't have to worry about the academic side being a "student-athlete".... Let’s stop the charade of these Dukies as student athletes. The Duke Stars have to stay eligible for one semester before they leave town. Hypocritzki should start calling them what they are: Athletes in Residence. He is nothing more than John Calipari with better press. |
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Mar 25, 2019 11:14:38 GMT -5
Much easier to do when your athletes don't have to worry about the academic side being a "student-athlete".... Let’s stop the charade of these Dukies as student athletes. The Duke Stars have to stay eligible for one semester before they leave town. Hypocritzki should start calling them what they are: Athletes in Residence. He is nothing more than John Calipari with better press. Let's also stop the charade of pretending like it takes a good coach to take a team starting 5 McD's AAs to a Final Four. But someone got injured? Oh well, better trot out another 5-star player right off the bench. Last year Duke had 4 5-star players and 1 4-star player. The year before Duke had 4 5-star players and 2 4-star players. That's 8 5-star players and 3 4-star players signed in two years. They should've lost to UCF yesterday. I could coach that team to a one point win against UCF. If anyone's curious, they signed 4 5-star players and 1 4-star player the year before, as well. The year before that? 4 5-star players. Ridic. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 25, 2019 11:24:37 GMT -5
Let’s stop the charade of these Dukies as student athletes. The Duke Stars have to stay eligible for one semester before they leave town. Hypocritzki should start calling them what they are: Athletes in Residence. He is nothing more than John Calipari with better press. Let's also stop the charade of pretending like it takes a good coach to take a team starting 5 McD's AAs to a Final Four. But someone got injured? Oh well, better trot out another 5-star player right off the bench. Last year Duke had 4 5-star players and 1 4-star player. The year before Duke had 4 5-star players and 2 4-star players. That's 8 5-star players and 3 4-star players signed in two years. They should've lost to UCF yesterday. I could coach that team to a one point win against UCF. If anyone's curious, they signed 4 5-star players and 1 4-star player the year before, as well. The year before that? 4 5-star players. Ridic. Better not pay the players or else all the talent will be concentrated at a small number of rich schools. We wouldn’t want to break this incredibly competitive system we have now. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2019 15:27:39 GMT -5
Let’s stop the charade of these Dukies as student athletes. The Duke Stars have to stay eligible for one semester before they leave town. Hypocritzki should start calling them what they are: Athletes in Residence. He is nothing more than John Calipari with better press. Let's also stop the charade of pretending like it takes a good coach to take a team starting 5 McD's AAs to a Final Four. But someone got injured? Oh well, better trot out another 5-star player right off the bench. Last year Duke had 4 5-star players and 1 4-star player. The year before Duke had 4 5-star players and 2 4-star players. That's 8 5-star players and 3 4-star players signed in two years. They should've lost to UCF yesterday. I could coach that team to a one point win against UCF. If anyone's curious, they signed 4 5-star players and 1 4-star player the year before, as well. The year before that? 4 5-star players. Ridic. Actually it's Redick, another 5 star player. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 25, 2019 18:22:20 GMT -5
A lot of dull games this weekend, but Duke/UCF and the crazy Iowa comeback almost made up for that by themselves. The Duke/UCF game was phenomenal, even if it was Coach K vs. Johnny Dawkins. Dawkins' son was fantastic. It's just too bad they couldn't complete the upset.
On edit, a couple other points. Hooray for Tremont Waters, driving a stake through the heart of the Twerps. I found the Kentucky/Wofford game interesting for a couple reasons - the first, of course, was McGee getting bageled on a dozen tries from 3. The other was Kentucky's total inability to score for the first 15 minutes. I never saw that coming.
While I have been arguing that we were improved this year, the Big East's horrid showing at the dance makes me now wonder whether we weren't just brought up by a lower tide. St. John's, Nova and Marquette all looked terrible. Seton Hall did not. Their problem was that their opponent hit four 3's in the space of about 90 seconds with less than five minutes to play, and that was that.
And finally, being a left coaster, it was nice to see some redemption for the Pac 12 last week. I'm not quite sure what's gotten into Oregon (and I was rooting for Irvine last night), but they're the only team below a 5 seed left. And Washington and ASU also got wins, so that's four wins from the Pac-12, which exceeds the Big East's total by three.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 25, 2019 20:25:19 GMT -5
Both definitely true. You can decide for yourself if they are connected. I’m not necessarily saying that. In general they just want the huge schools with giant alumni bases to be in the final four. A cinderalla makes a nice story but ticket prices, travel and spending plummets when a Cinderella takes one of the 4 spots. Last year ticket prices were great (for the spectator) for the final four because Loyola had no fan base. I believe that's why they came up with this NET system all of a sudden. If a fake cinderella like Ohio State or Oregon make the Final Four it doesn't hurt them because those are top schools with giant alumni bases. Sorry folks but ticket sales and alumni bases are just gravy. The real money is TV revenue and a cinderella story probably increases viewership (Loyola anyone?). The whole March Madness and March to the Final Four is a TV generated extravaganza and no matter who makes it to the sweet 16 and final four CBS et al will make sure the TV ratings - and revenue- are high. |
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 25, 2019 20:25:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed watching the ESPN late morning shows with Bilas, Seth, Jay Williams on Saturday and Sunday. Seth was pretty blunt about the calls at the end of the Duke game and then his comment about Duke running "NO offense" - www.thestate.com/sports/college/mens-basketball/article228365264.htmlCoach K made a decision a few years back to go all-in on One and Dones and as noted above, that's a very short academic commitment for the players involved. It does create a strange culture where it's hard to recruit depth because you need to play your top players 30+ minutes a game, everyone knows it, so if you aren't a top recruit it makes little sense to go to the school because you will never get a chance to develop. Bummed UCF lost. Zion charged and Barrett pushed off. Gosh Dawkins played well but for that alley oop. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 25, 2019 21:17:19 GMT -5
A lot of dull games this weekend, but Duke/UCF and the crazy Iowa comeback almost made up for that by themselves. The Duke/UCF game was phenomenal, even if it was Coach K vs. Johnny Dawkins. Dawkins' son was fantastic. It's just too bad they couldn't complete the upset. On edit, a couple other points. Hooray for Tremont Waters, driving a stake through the heart of the Twerps. I found the Kentucky/Wofford game interesting for a couple reasons - the first, of course, was McGee getting bageled on a dozen tries from 3. The other was Kentucky's total inability to score for the first 15 minutes. I never saw that coming. While I have been arguing that we were improved this year, the Big East's horrid showing at the dance makes me now wonder whether we weren't just brought up by a lower tide. St. John's, Nova and Marquette all looked terrible. Seton Hall did not. Their problem was that their opponent hit four 3's in the space of about 90 seconds with less than five minutes to play, and that was that. And finally, being a left coaster, it was nice to see some redemption for the Pac 12 last week. I'm not quite sure what's gotten into Oregon (and I was rooting for Irvine last night), but they're the only team below a 5 seed left. And Washington and ASU also got wins, so that's four wins from the Pac-12, which exceeds the Big East's total by three. Don't forget Keldon Johnson |
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