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Post by vv83 on Mar 23, 2019 22:33:36 GMT -5
The Big East lost a tremendous amount of talent coming into this season. It will be really interesting to see if the young players across the league develop. Villanova (3), Xavier (19) and DePaul (23) are the only BE teams in the top 25 recruiting classes for next season on ESPN - not awful, but not great. Of course these rankings are far from definitive, but it will be tough for the conference as a whole to compete with the big football conference schools if we are not pulling in our fair share of 4/5 star recruits.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 23, 2019 22:36:21 GMT -5
If someone said I'll give you one title but you will never make it out of the 1st weekend other than that for the rest of your life I would ask them where to sign immediately. Two titles is just icing.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 23, 2019 23:11:13 GMT -5
The Big East lost a tremendous amount of talent coming into this season. It will be really interesting to see if the young players across the league develop. Villanova (3), Xavier (19) and DePaul (23) are the only BE teams in the top 25 recruiting classes for next season on ESPN - not awful, but not great. Of course these rankings are far from definitive, but it will be tough for the conference as a whole to compete with the big football conference schools if we are not pulling in our fair share of 4/5 star recruits. To look at it like that is deceiving. The league was very young and doesn't lose much. Take a look: We get stronger by addition and subtraction, plus a year of experience for a young team. If Howard stays, Marquette returns its top 7 players. If Powell returns as he says, Seton Hall lose 1 starter in Nzei, the only senior(!) on the roster, and replaces him with a 4* PF. We'll see what happens with Villanova but they lose Booth and Paschall, while bringing in 2 5* and 2 4*. That's a lot of talent with good returning players. Xavier loses 3 seniors, but returns it's top 4 scorers and brings in 4 four-stars and a three-star. Providence only loses Jackson, but replaces him with the #62 ranked player. Creighton returns its top 7 players. Butler loses two important players in Jorgensen and Fowler, but get two 4* recruits. DePaul brings in a good class, but loses 3 of its most important players, including Struss. What will happen at SJU? As is, and it's very early, I'm looking at Butler and DePaul in the bottom, and maybe SJU. The league will be back with a vengeance. The problem will be the pre-season rankings and having to claw back up into the Top 25. If a BE team doesn’t do it before the BE season, it will be very hard to win consistently to maintain the national ranking. Win big in the OOC because the BE carnage will be back in '19-'20. We better get real tough. |
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 24, 2019 4:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2019 6:06:04 GMT -5
Wow, I was hoping all the metrics/NET etc would be proven wrong in the tourney, but it appears- with last BE hope Nova down 18 at the half- that the Big East REALLY sucked this year. Which begs the question: just how good was a 9-9 record in conference this year? Not sure why people are acting surprised. The lower ranked team (Villanova) lost to the 3 seed. ESPN is acting like it’s an upset for some reason. |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 24, 2019 7:03:25 GMT -5
Fair enough. But for a conference champion 2/6 times advancing out of the first weekend isn’t great. I think they had a 1 or 2 seed every year but this year too. They have two titles in those 6 seasons, that trumps the 4 early exits easily in my view... I totally agree. I’d love to have their track record. I’m just saying it’s surprising that the other four years they did leave early. You’d think there would be another 1-2 second weekends in the mix |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2019 7:26:02 GMT -5
They have two titles in those 6 seasons, that trumps the 4 early exits easily in my view... I totally agree. I’d love to have their track record. I’m just saying it’s surprising that the other four years they did leave early. You’d think there would be another 1-2 second weekends in the mix They were the lower seed. They weren't supposed to make it out of this weekend. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2019 7:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2019 7:38:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 8:19:41 GMT -5
I'm sure everyone was impressed with Auburn last night, right?
Bryce Brown who went for 25 last night averaged 10ppg and shot 33% from the field as a freshman. They were 11-20 that year.
Their PG, Jared Harper, averaged 11ppg and shot 38% as a frosh. They went 14-18 that year. His sophomore stats are very similar to Akinjo's this year.
Those players are their team leaders and go to guys. They're both upperclassman this year and they will be in the sweet 16.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 24, 2019 8:40:34 GMT -5
I mentioned Auburn (and Va Tech) in another thread as a reason not to panic about Ewing and the Hoyas. Bruce Pearl has built a strong program but it took 3 straight seasons of no postseason to do it. Now, they have 2 consecutive NCAA appearances and are positioned well for the future. Some posters think it is easy to take over a bottomed out program and return it to the NCAA. We see real world evidence with good coaches like Pearl, Buzz Williams, Crean, Archie Miller, that it takes time. This is not an easy thing to do.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 24, 2019 8:43:51 GMT -5
The Big East lost a tremendous amount of talent coming into this season. It will be really interesting to see if the young players across the league develop. Villanova (3), Xavier (19) and DePaul (23) are the only BE teams in the top 25 recruiting classes for next season on ESPN - not awful, but not great. Of course these rankings are far from definitive, but it will be tough for the conference as a whole to compete with the big football conference schools if we are not pulling in our fair share of 4/5 star recruits. I would caution, in today's NCAA transfers and grad transfers can be very important. If you add Yurtseven and Galen Alexander to our incoming class, we would be ranked significantly higher. I am sure there are other teams like this as well. |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 24, 2019 8:53:41 GMT -5
I totally agree. I’d love to have their track record. I’m just saying it’s surprising that the other four years they did leave early. You’d think there would be another 1-2 second weekends in the mix They were the lower seed. They weren't supposed to make it out of this weekend. Understood. Not expected to this year. But 3 other years where they were a 1 or 2 seed they should have. Again, I am not disputing their success, and basically any team short of UNC would trade for their results over the last 6 years (Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas included). My larger point was that the regular season champion of a major conference (as Villanova has been 5 of the last 6 years), should be expected to have a better hit rate than 2/6 as far as advancing to the Sweet 16. ACC 2014: Virgina - S16 (1 seed) 2015: Virginia - R32 (2 seed) 2016: UNC - Runner Up (1 seed) 2017: UNC - Champs (1 seed) 2018: Virginia - R64 (1 seed) 2019: Virgina/UNC - ? (1 seed) Likely 4/6 into second weekend depending on today Big Ten 2014: Michigan - E8 (2 seed) 2015: Wisconsin - Runner Up (1 seed) 2016: Indiana - S16 (5 seed) 2017: Purdue - S16 (4 seed) 2018: Mich St - R32 (2 seed) 2019: Mich St - S16 (2 seed) 5/6 into second weekend Big 12 2014: Kansas - Rd 32 (2 seed) 2015: Kansas - Rd 32 (2 seed) 2016: Kansas - E8 (1 seed) 2017: Kansas - E8 (1 seed) 2018: Kansas - F4 (1 seed) 2019: Texas Tech/Iowa St. (3 / 6 seed) If Texas Tech wins then 4/6 into second weekend SEC 2014: Florida - F4 (1 seed) 2015: Kentucky - F4 (1 seed) 2016: Kentucky - R32 (4 seed) 2017: Kentucky - E8 (2 seed) 2018: Tenn/Auburn - R32 (2 / 4 seed) 2019: LSU - S16 (3 seed) 4/6 into second weekend Big East 2014: Villanova - R32 (2 seed) 2015: Villanova - R32 (1 seed) 2016: Villanova - Champs (2 seed) 2017: Villanova - R32 (1 seed) 2018: Xavier - R32 (1 seed) 2019: Villanova - R32 (6 seed) 1/6 hit rate for the BE and 2/6 for Villanova. I know its a specific metric for this narrative, as they do have 2 national titles over the 6 years, tied with only UNC, and puts the BE only behind the ACC in terms of titles for this period. But that being said, its not great for the conference year in and year out that our best teams aren't making runs consistently... |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 24, 2019 8:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 9:05:05 GMT -5
The only one that was close was Glenn Robinson III who was a 5 star on a few sites. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2019 9:16:17 GMT -5
They were the lower seed. They weren't supposed to make it out of this weekend. Understood. Not expected to this year. But 3 other years where they were a 1 or 2 seed they should have. Again, I am not disputing their success, and basically any team short of UNC would trade for their results over the last 6 years (Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas included). My larger point was that the regular season champion of a major conference (as Villanova has been 5 of the last 6 years), should be expected to have a better hit rate than 2/6 as far as advancing to the Sweet 16. ACC 2014: Virgina - S16 (1 seed) 2015: Virginia - R32 (2 seed) 2016: UNC - Runner Up (1 seed) 2017: UNC - Champs (1 seed) 2018: Virginia - R64 (1 seed) 2019: Virgina/UNC - ? (1 seed) Likely 4/6 into second weekend depending on today Big Ten 2014: Michigan - E8 (2 seed) 2015: Wisconsin - Runner Up (1 seed) 2016: Indiana - S16 (5 seed) 2017: Purdue - S16 (4 seed) 2018: Mich St - R32 (2 seed) 2019: Mich St - S16 (2 seed) 5/6 into second weekend Big 12 2014: Kansas - Rd 32 (2 seed) 2015: Kansas - Rd 32 (2 seed) 2016: Kansas - E8 (1 seed) 2017: Kansas - E8 (1 seed) 2018: Kansas - F4 (1 seed) 2019: Texas Tech/Iowa St. (3 / 6 seed) If Texas Tech wins then 4/6 into second weekend SEC 2014: Florida - F4 (1 seed) 2015: Kentucky - F4 (1 seed) 2016: Kentucky - R32 (4 seed) 2017: Kentucky - E8 (2 seed) 2018: Tenn/Auburn - R32 (2 / 4 seed) 2019: LSU - S16 (3 seed) 4/6 into second weekend Big East 2014: Villanova - R32 (2 seed) 2015: Villanova - R32 (1 seed) 2016: Villanova - Champs (2 seed) 2017: Villanova - R32 (1 seed) 2018: Xavier - R32 (1 seed) 2019: Villanova - R32 (6 seed) 1/6 hit rate for the BE and 2/6 for Villanova. I know its a specific metric for this narrative, as they do have 2 national titles over the 6 years, tied with only UNC, and puts the BE only behind the ACC in terms of titles for this period. But that being said, its not great for the conference year in and year out that our best teams aren't making runs consistently... I think it's a simple case of Jay Wright not being a great coach when he doesn't have the talent. But that's true about almost any coach. Calipari, Coach K and Roy Williams would probably flame out just as much without the superior 5 star talent they continue to get year after year. Who would you rather have. 5 Star coach Bill Self with his constant wave of Burger Boys year after year or Jay Wright. |
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 24, 2019 9:33:10 GMT -5
Yea I’m more in this camp. One win by nova tonight wasn’t gonna change the conference narrative. This is sweet to watch. This is a truly pathetic post-season BE performance. If you don't think it affects all the teams in the league negatively in terms of recruiting and otherwise, I've got a bridge to Rosslyn that's for sale. Reading comprehension is key. You really think the BE narrative for this one season hinges on the result of this one game? I guess I have a a sale of a bridge from DC to the moon just waiting for your signature... |
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 24, 2019 9:35:20 GMT -5
Wow, I was hoping all the metrics/NET etc would be proven wrong in the tourney, but it appears- with last BE hope Nova down 18 at the half- that the Big East REALLY sucked this year. Which begs the question: just how good was a 9-9 record in conference this year? Not sure why people are acting surprised. The lower ranked team (Villanova) lost to the 3 seed. ESPN is acting like it’s an upset for some reason. Because, if they had won the committee would’ve bumped them up a few seeds! Then we could choose to feel better about our own guys! That’s how it works, right?! |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 24, 2019 9:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 24, 2019 9:48:18 GMT -5
They have two titles in those 6 seasons, that trumps the 4 early exits easily in my view... I totally agree. I’d love to have their track record. I’m just saying it’s surprising that the other four years they did leave early. You’d think there would be another 1-2 second weekend in the mix We're only talking about 3 seasons though, here are the teams they eventually lost to... 2014 - Uconn - who won the tourney 2015 - NC State 2017 - Wisconsin There isn't a bad loss on that list in my opinion... |
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