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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 23, 2019 18:43:41 GMT -5
You’re analysis and reasoning is faulty, that’s actually what’s a fact. So much so that it’s not really worth getting into detail about. Just agree to disagree, but this isn’t about some blanket reaction to free speech that you claim it is, it’s just that you’re off base. What’s the point in positing what would happen if the team lost another’s game? Every other single team in America can do that. I’m not sure you appreciate just how thin the margins are for success at this level. Nobody is under any illusions that being “tied” for 3rd meant we weren’t tied with any other teams. Constantly harping on it and reminding people of the obvious serves no purpose. Did we finish tied for third last year? Nope. There are “what if’s” and then there’s what actually happened, in reality. I specifically said elsewhere in the last few days that our 9-9 record is an improvement on last year, as is getting to the NIT. I definitely think we showed positive improvements this year, and I’ve detailed that. That said, we were a flawed team (as is any team that’s 9-9 and makes the NIT). I’m not sure why this is such a controversial point other than the fact that it’s not 100% positive. That’s fair, but you do understand it basically comes of fast as throwing cold water on a few posters who are simply trying to appreciate our performance this season even if it wasn’t one for the record books by pointing out what we already know. Yes we were one win away from finishing 7th, but we were also one win away from finishing in sole possession of third place. What’s the point in mentioning it? We finished tied for third with three other teams and I think everyone is aware of that. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 23, 2019 19:08:33 GMT -5
Let’s discuss the Hoyas elsewhere.
Meanwhile, on topic - live by the 3, die by the 3.
He didn’t square up for any of his shots.
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 23, 2019 20:31:29 GMT -5
Wow, I was hoping all the metrics/NET etc would be proven wrong in the tourney, but it appears- with last BE hope Nova down 18 at the half- that the Big East REALLY sucked this year. Which begs the question: just how good was a 9-9 record in conference this year?
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 23, 2019 20:39:56 GMT -5
Wow, I was hoping all the metrics/NET etc would be proven wrong in the tourney, but it appears- with last BE hope Nova down 18 at the half- that the Big East REALLY sucked this year. Which begs the question: just how good was a 9-9 record in conference this year? Any know the last time the BE had 0 teams in the Sweet 16? |
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 23, 2019 20:41:16 GMT -5
Wow, I was hoping all the metrics/NET etc would be proven wrong in the tourney, but it appears- with last BE hope Nova down 18 at the half- that the Big East REALLY sucked this year. Which begs the question: just how good was a 9-9 record in conference this year? This is a beware topic. And I speak from experience. I don't think I've ever rooted for another recent BE tourney team as strong as I have for 'Nova tonight, but so far it ain't happening. The league really needs a win. |
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2019 20:53:30 GMT -5
Big East or no Big East, I hope Nova loses by 50.
This is beautiful to watch.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 23, 2019 20:54:42 GMT -5
Big East or no Big East, I hope Nova loses by 50. This is beautiful to watch. Yea I’m more in this camp. One win by nova tonight wasn’t gonna change the conference narrative. This is sweet to watch. |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 23, 2019 20:59:27 GMT -5
Big East or no Big East, I hope Nova loses by 50. This is beautiful to watch. I’m smiling a little... |
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 23, 2019 20:59:57 GMT -5
Wow, I was hoping all the metrics/NET etc would be proven wrong in the tourney, but it appears- with last BE hope Nova down 18 at the half- that the Big East REALLY sucked this year. Which begs the question: just how good was a 9-9 record in conference this year? It was good. Not great, but good. The BE had a bunch of decent, but not second weekend teams in it (i.e., few in top 32, none in top 16)--but basically every team in the conference was in the vicinity of a bid. In other words, we split evenly with a bunch of bubble teams--so one might say we were reasonably bubbly ourselves. We were decidedly not bubbly last year. Compare that with the ACC, which had a number of excellent teams, but also pile of hot garbage on the bottom end. This created some very inflated records for teams like NC State and Clemson, which cleaned up the trash, but did almost nothing against the tournament level teams. The BE's poor performance DOES NOT diminish the clear improvement the Hoyas demonstrated this year. |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 23, 2019 21:01:58 GMT -5
Any know the last time the BE had 0 teams in the Sweet 16? The BE will make up for it next year. It was a young league. Lets see how the rosters shake out. |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 23, 2019 21:07:09 GMT -5
Villanova only has made 2 more Sweet 16’s than us in the last 10 years...
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Post by prhoya on Mar 23, 2019 21:08:13 GMT -5
Villanova only has made 2 more Sweet 16’s than us in the last 10 years...  |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 23, 2019 21:13:55 GMT -5
Villanova only has made 2 more Sweet 16’s than us in the last 10 years... I say this tongue and cheek as obviously their 2 titles are the envy of everyone. But it’s interesting that despite all their success in the last decade, they have only played on the second weekend in their two title years. You’d think at a minimum they’d have had another mini run somewhere in the mix. Obviously most would like their tournament success, but there have been quite a few early exits for a team that has been as successful in the regular season as they have been. |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 23, 2019 21:27:55 GMT -5
What’s striking to me is how much harder every single one of these teams play on the defensive end. In most games every possession is a war, and few if any possessions end in easy buckets. We have a longgggg way to go to match this level of effort and cohesiveness. I know everyone thinks Govan is/was the problem but I’m not convinced that swapping him for Yurt is suddenly going to put us on this level next year. We have four returning starters who need to improve a lot this summer as well. Pickett and LeBlanc should be plus defenders, and Mosely knows what to do. I'm counting on experience being a big factor in the two guards' development. I actually think Ackinjo has more than the makings and, as others have noted, Mac is a worker. But you're absolutely right, it's incredible how many good teams there are beyond the usual suspects. Another thing striking is how good these teams are from deep. Every one of these teams has at least 2 sharpshooters. I’m not sure we had one this past year. Really hope Pickett and Blair and/or a potential grad transfer can become that next year. Not sure if this will ever be Mac or James’ MO. |
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 23, 2019 21:39:42 GMT -5
Wow, I was hoping all the metrics/NET etc would be proven wrong in the tourney, but it appears- with last BE hope Nova down 18 at the half- that the Big East REALLY sucked this year. Which begs the question: just how good was a 9-9 record in conference this year? It was good. Not great, but good. The BE had a bunch of decent, but not second weekend teams in it (i.e., few in top 32, none in top 16)--but basically every team in the conference was in the vicinity of a bid. In other words, we split evenly with a bunch of bubble teams--so one might say we were reasonably bubbly ourselves. We were decidedly not bubbly last year. Compare that with the ACC, which had a number of excellent teams, but also pile of hot garbage on the bottom end. This created some very inflated records for teams like NC State and Clemson, which cleaned up the trash, but did almost nothing against the tournament level teams. The BE's poor performance DOES NOT diminish the clear improvement the Hoyas demonstrated this year. The ACC's "tournament-level" teams include three 1-seeds and two 4 seeds. Our best team - Villanova - would have been at best the sixth best in the ACC. It's pretty disingenuous to disparage NC State and Clemson for not winning against 5 teams that are all likely to be in the Sweet 16, when only one of the four 9-9 teams in the BE beat anyone that good (Seton Hall over UK). By the way, ND, who tied for last place in the ACC and I guess is one of the teams you consider "hot garbage", beat the Purdue team that is in the process of humiliating our regular season and tournament champion. The BE was absolutely terrible this year, and our 9-9 record was a complete mirage. This year's squad probably goes 6-12 / 7-11 in last years BE. We were better this year for sure, but not by a heck of a lot. |
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2019 21:44:02 GMT -5
I say this tongue and cheek as obviously their 2 titles are the envy of everyone. But it’s interesting that despite all their success in the last decade, they have only played on the second weekend in their two title years. You’d think at a minimum they’d have had another mini run somewhere in the mix. Obviously most would like their tournament success, but there have been quite a few early exits for a team that has been as successful in the regular season as they have been. Be fair this Nova run starts with the formation of the new Big East... |
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 23, 2019 21:47:42 GMT -5
It seems like each game today has been more unwatchable than the one before. We've played 40 games in the last three days, and just a handful of them have been entertaining. If you're not watching solely for the gambling, I can't see how this has been much fun so far.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 23, 2019 21:48:28 GMT -5
Big East or no Big East, I hope Nova loses by 50. This is beautiful to watch. Yea I’m more in this camp. One win by nova tonight wasn’t gonna change the conference narrative. This is sweet to watch. This is a truly pathetic post-season BE performance. If you don't think it affects all the teams in the league negatively in terms of recruiting and otherwise, I've got a bridge to Rosslyn that's for sale. |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 23, 2019 21:49:24 GMT -5
I say this tongue and cheek as obviously their 2 titles are the envy of everyone. But it’s interesting that despite all their success in the last decade, they have only played on the second weekend in their two title years. You’d think at a minimum they’d have had another mini run somewhere in the mix. Obviously most would like their tournament success, but there have been quite a few early exits for a team that has been as successful in the regular season as they have been. Be fair this Nova run starts with the formation of the new Big East... Fair enough. But for a conference champion 2/6 times advancing out of the first weekend isn’t great. I think they had a 1 or 2 seed every year but this year too. |
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2019 21:56:27 GMT -5
Be fair this Nova run starts with the formation of the new Big East... Fair enough. But for a conference champion 2/6 times advancing out of the first weekend isn’t great. I think they had a 1 or 2 seed every year but this year too. They have two titles in those 6 seasons, that trumps the 4 early exits easily in my view... |
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