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Post by hoya95 on Mar 3, 2019 17:02:47 GMT -5
Creighton's win makes this very interesting. No idea where to put them, but I'd think that they are in that Next 4 out range. We're going to have a hell of a time staying in front of them in the Big East race now. They've only got Providence and home against DePaul left.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 3, 2019 17:05:48 GMT -5
Creighton's win makes this very interesting. No idea where to put them, but I'd think that they are in that Next 4 out range. A loss would have relegated them to Wednesday but now they have a clear path to 9-9. If tied, Georgetown loses the tiebreaker based on its two losses. Creighton will not be in Next 4 Out because one of its wins was against a non-DI team. That will hurt.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 3, 2019 17:06:08 GMT -5
Ugh, aside from us losing, that was pretty much the worst thing that could have happened in the BE this weekend.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 3, 2019 17:17:53 GMT -5
Ugh, aside from us losing, that was pretty much the worst thing that could have happened in the BE this weekend. Just awful. The fact we could potentially lose out in a 5 way tiebreaker at 9-9 and play Wednesday is sickening. And another Nova share of a BE title. No bueno.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 3, 2019 17:18:39 GMT -5
Ugh, aside from us losing, that was pretty much the worst thing that could have happened in the BE this weekend. Yeah I agree....we need Coach Cooley and Provy to show out for us. We definitely need to stay ahead of Creighton.....
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 3, 2019 17:27:21 GMT -5
Ugh, aside from us losing, that was pretty much the worst thing that could have happened in the BE this weekend. Just awful. The fact we could potentially lose out in a 5 way tiebreaker at 9-9 and play Wednesday is sickening. And another Nova share of a BE title. No bueno. Wait, wait, wait: we would lose a tiebreaker to all other teams if a 5 way at 9-9? We must have the tiebreaker with SH or StJohns or X? The permutations....
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 3, 2019 17:38:04 GMT -5
JUST. WIN.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 3, 2019 17:40:32 GMT -5
Just awful. The fact we could potentially lose out in a 5 way tiebreaker at 9-9 and play Wednesday is sickening. And another Nova share of a BE title. No bueno. Wait, wait, wait: we would lose a tiebreaker to all other teams if a 5 way at 9-9? We must have the tiebreaker with SH or StJohns or X? The permutations.... Here's the wild one--if there is a five way tie at 9-9, the order is: If Marquette gets the #1 seed in a tiebreaker over Villanova: 3. Seton Hall 4. St. John's 5. Xavier 6. Creighton ----------------- 7. Georgetown If Villanova gets the #1 seed in a tiebreaker over Marquette: 3. Seton Hall 4. Xavier 5. St. John's 6. Georgetown ----------------- 7. Creighton Georgetown and Creighton have the worst record in the "mini-conference" among the five teams (3-5) but CU owns the tie on Georgetown. Georgetown's best scenario is 1) Seton Hall loses to Villanova or loses out altogether, 2) a Providence win at Creighton Wednesday and 3) a Xavier win over St. John's Saturday.
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 3, 2019 18:13:11 GMT -5
Thanks for that, number 1 looks good to me, 2 a long shot I would love and 3 a real possibility. I think the Johnnies are toast, but they do surprise. Fact is it is all moot if we don’t win Wednesday, or much better if we win both and go 10-8.
Fact is that even having this discussion is an improvement. Also weird that a third place team at 9-9 could be seeded 7th.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 3, 2019 18:21:51 GMT -5
If we beat DePaul and go 9-9 the odds are highly favorable we avoid Wednesday. Seton Hall already has 9 losses. The odds they get through Villnova and Marquette are very low - about 19% if you believe KenPom's projections.
So, we need to win Wednesday and Marquette needs to win. If that happens, we essentially clinch avoiding Wednesday.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 3, 2019 18:29:53 GMT -5
Ugh, aside from us losing, that was pretty much the worst thing that could have happened in the BE this weekend. We got 3 out of 4 preferred results this weekend. Butler got knocked down to bottom 4. SJU’s loss gives us ability to pass them in the standings. And of course we beat SH. I would have taken that outcome if offered on Friday morning. It was a great weekend. Keep winning and it all works out.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 3, 2019 18:32:59 GMT -5
Thanks for that, number 1 looks good to me, 2 a long shot I would love and 3 a real possibility. I think the Johnnies are toast, but they do surprise. Fact is it is all moot if we don’t win Wednesday, or much better if we win both and go 10-8. Fact is that even having this discussion is an improvement. Also weird that a third place team at 9-9 could be seeded 7th. Also Xavier losing at Butler Tuesday (Butler will be favored) would end the suspense.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 3, 2019 19:43:36 GMT -5
Seton Hall is NOT winning out. Take that to the bank.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 3, 2019 19:44:25 GMT -5
Seton Hall is NOT winning out. Take that to the bank.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 3, 2019 20:41:34 GMT -5
Arizona St. a huge bubble game for us right now, as they are listed as one of the last 4 teams in on several projections. Really need a loss there.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 3, 2019 22:13:30 GMT -5
ASU hangs on. The bubble continues to get tougher with most teams at the cut line taking care of business and getting some key quality wins over the weekend. Obviously we need to beat Depaul, but it's looking more and more like that Marquette game on Saturday is becoming a must.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 4, 2019 1:10:38 GMT -5
I think Xavier will beat St. John’s at Xavier that would put them at 8-10 in big east,also seton hall has Marquette and nova left there 7-9 now they loose 1 of them they would be 8-10 loose both 7-11 that’s very possible.hoyas need to Beat DePaul to get to 9 wins in big east.if they can do that I am confident they will finish in top 6 get a bye not matter what happens 9-9 I think they will be in top 6 to many things would have to happen for them to not get in top 6 if they win I think they will be in top 6 go Hoyas.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 4, 2019 8:57:37 GMT -5
Ugh, aside from us losing, that was pretty much the worst thing that could have happened in the BE this weekend. Yeah I agree....we need Coach Cooley and Provy to show out for us. We definitely need to stay ahead of Creighton..... I wouldn’t count on that. Cooley has underachieved more than any other coach in the conference this season.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 4, 2019 9:03:12 GMT -5
ASU hangs on. The bubble continues to get tougher with most teams at the cut line taking care of business and getting some key quality wins over the weekend. Obviously we need to beat Depaul, but it's looking more and more like that Marquette game on Saturday is becoming a must. Yeah, I guess you could say this about a lot of games but who would have thought that Marquette home game would have been so huge? We caught a huge break with Howard not only being out but Marquette having no time to adjust to it. That game hurts. It's a tall order for us to make the tourney. Frankly, Im putting more eggs in the BET basket. I think some crazy stuff is going to happen in NYC.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 4, 2019 9:19:28 GMT -5
ASU hangs on. The bubble continues to get tougher with most teams at the cut line taking care of business and getting some key quality wins over the weekend. Obviously we need to beat Depaul, but it's looking more and more like that Marquette game on Saturday is becoming a must. Yeah, I guess you could say this about a lot of games but who would have thought that Marquette home game would have been so huge? We caught a huge break with Howard not only being out but Marquette having no time to adjust to it. That game hurts. It's a tall order for us to make the tourney. Frankly, Im putting more eggs in the BET basket. I think some crazy stuff is going to happen in NYC. Oh, I'm absolutely thrilled the games this week are meaningful. The team deserves all the credit in the world for taking care of business at home and giving themselves a shot. There were just too many teams this past weekend (Utah St., Indiana, UCF, Creighton, etc.) that got huge profile boosting wins. Had they all gone the other way you might be able to convince me that 9-9 and 2 wins in NYC would do it. But a win on the road at Marquette is going to count much more for computer numbers than beating either them or Nova on a neutral floor (1.4 vs. 1.0). Unfortunately, it is our NET ranking that is keeping us from being definitively ahead of most of the other bubble teams, since we have the quality wins and an overall record that wouldn't be prohibitive (side note: only 1 team in the past 25 years has made the tourney as at an-large being less than 4 games over .500). Win these two games this week and get ourselves near 60 NET heading to NYC and you can put me in the camp that believes a Thursday win in NYC clinches a bid. But as you said, the crazy thing is we could literally be playing almost anybody in that game depending on how this last week shakes out.
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