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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 28, 2019 19:03:34 GMT -5
The key to the Xavier game and the two bigs line-up they will use is going to be the play of LeBlanc and our new whipping boy in Mourning. Mourning may not be the most skilled big out there (but neither are the Xavier posts) but he plays hard, generally passes well and can spell Govan. LeBlanc has to overcome the size difference and outplay Xavier with his quickness. Carter may have a shot to play as well. Hoping that McClung, Pickett and Blair are still hitting their 3s. This. When Xavier went big the Hoyas did not have mourning to put on the floor alongside Govan. The Xavier bigs are not faceup players shooting from long range. They are bangers. Trey should be a plus going up against that style of play and not pushed around as much as LeBlanc was.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 28, 2019 19:05:24 GMT -5
The Hoyas have not played a better stretch of basketball this season than the one which allowed them to go up 17 points at Xavier. They failed by not being able to put them away and allowing them to regain their confidence so quickly. Georgetown is the better team though and needs to go out and prove it.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 28, 2019 19:17:05 GMT -5
I like how Blair can come in and stroke it. Not easy to come in cold and hit threes. Even his misses look good. I hope Carter can get some opportunities.
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Post by mdtd on Jan 28, 2019 19:25:34 GMT -5
Stay strong inside, beat them off the dribble and run them out of the gym. They are going to go 2-3 so the coaches need to be prepared for that. There's no reason for them not to go 2-3. The best way for this team to beat a 2-3 will be to beat it down the floor and score before they get set. Plan for the 2-3, I'd be more than shocked not to see it. That's the path to losing this game, come in ill-prepared, get beat inside and by the 2-3.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 28, 2019 19:45:44 GMT -5
We started out so well against Xavier, and then it just all came unraveled in the first game. I'm nervous for this game -- it would be a major step for this team to stand at .500 after 8 games of conference play. Xavier has always been a challenge for us. Although we've beaten SJU and Butler with some regularity in recent years, wins over Providence and Xavier would signal a step in the right direction.
I definitely think we have the personnel to win this game. Govan and LeBlanc need to play well inside, and McClung needs to keep shooting well. It certainly wouldn't hurt for Pickett to build on his strong showing on Sunday.
Ready for the game -- hope the Hoyas get it done
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 28, 2019 19:56:14 GMT -5
The key to the Xavier game and the two bigs line-up they will use is going to be the play of LeBlanc and our new whipping boy in Mourning. Mourning may not be the most skilled big out there (but neither are the Xavier posts) but he plays hard, generally passes well and can spell Govan. LeBlanc has to overcome the size difference and outplay Xavier with his quickness. Carter may have a shot to play as well. Hoping that McClung, Pickett and Blair are still hitting their 3s. Even if Mourning can pass, that's not all that useful when the guy seems to take a shot every time he has the ball. Yes, I know that's an exaggeration, but he shoots too much for an inefficient player. If Mourning played within himself, he'd be a serviceable backup for 5 minutes a game, but he tries to do too much and fails. On the KenPom point someone else made, we went from 105 to 94, so that's a big jump for one game. With regard to Xavier, we need to attack the zone better. The 17 point lead we built last game is essentially irrelevant if they play zone (and they will).
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 28, 2019 20:05:14 GMT -5
I am surprised how little a bump we got on our KenPom ranking after beating #55 St. John’s by 11 who KenPom predicted we would lose to by 9. We got a very modest increase. We are currently 94. Once you’ve played 20 games, it gets harder to move more than 10 spots due to just one game. (Unless it’s a win at Nova).
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 28, 2019 20:25:28 GMT -5
ok we are now OFFICIALLY in tie for third with two other teams YUP and this game is on THE EVE OF FEBRUARY know what that means iTS ALMOST FEBRUARY HOYA TIME.. three games wed before our SOOSOSOSOOSOSOSSOOSOS some losses onwed so GO HOYAS BIG HUGE GAME and what if mac gets even HEALTHIER just saying we will see EAT THE BANANNANA go hoyas win one by one by at least one and have some fun. yup MEANARYWAYUP for this one HUGE game HUGE
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Post by guru on Jan 28, 2019 20:38:12 GMT -5
The key to the Xavier game and the two bigs line-up they will use is going to be the play of LeBlanc and our new whipping boy in Mourning. Mourning may not be the most skilled big out there (but neither are the Xavier posts) but he plays hard, generally passes well and can spell Govan. LeBlanc has to overcome the size difference and outplay Xavier with his quickness. Carter may have a shot to play as well. Hoping that McClung, Pickett and Blair are still hitting their 3s. Even if Mourning can pass, that's not all that useful when the guy seems to take a shot every time he has the ball. Yes, I know that's an exaggeration, but he shoots too much for an inefficient player. If Mourning played within himself, he'd be a serviceable backup for 5 minutes a game, but he tries to do too much and fails. On the KenPom point someone else made, we went from 105 to 94, so that's a big jump for one game. With regard to Xavier, we need to attack the zone better. The 17 point lead we built last game is essentially irrelevant if they play zone (and they will). Pretty sure you’ve made your feelings clear on Mourning. At this point maybe back off? He’s a college kid representing his school. Your consistently negative posts aren’t going to convince Ewing to stop playing him.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 28, 2019 20:53:44 GMT -5
Even if Mourning can pass, that's not all that useful when the guy seems to take a shot every time he has the ball. Yes, I know that's an exaggeration, but he shoots too much for an inefficient player. If Mourning played within himself, he'd be a serviceable backup for 5 minutes a game, but he tries to do too much and fails. What if he keeps shooting because he has the green light from Pat? We don't know what's going on in practice and, until someone asks Pat in the press room, we will not know. Don't get me wrong, I would take some mpg from Trey, but we need him to back Govan or Josh, because we're thin in the position and Pat will not play Carter. To be clear I like Trey's jumper, but not when he is trying to make his best impression of Govan with a defender on his face. I don't want him to take it upon himself to score. I want him to be the fourth or fifth option on the court.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 28, 2019 22:00:47 GMT -5
Even if Mourning can pass, that's not all that useful when the guy seems to take a shot every time he has the ball. Yes, I know that's an exaggeration, but he shoots too much for an inefficient player. If Mourning played within himself, he'd be a serviceable backup for 5 minutes a game, but he tries to do too much and fails. What if he keeps shooting because he has the green light from Pat? We don't know what's going on in practice and, until someone asks Pat in the press room, we will not know. Don't get me wrong, I would take some mpg from Trey, but we need him to back Govan or Josh, because we're thin in the position and Pat will not play Carter. To be clear I like Trey's jumper, but not when he is trying to make his best impression of Govan with a defender on his face. I don't want him to take it upon himself to score. I want him to be the fourth or fifth option on the court. Agreed and he's gotten 26 minutes in his three games since his return. Its pretty clear if we're not at a size disadvantage Kaleb is getting the backup 4 minutes primarily and Trey spells Govan. This weird "Trey is getting too many minutes" narrative is about eight weeks stale. That said, we need experienced size and he's all we've got. So if we need some beef against Xavier to bump Hankins and Jones into the third row, Trey is the guy.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 28, 2019 22:11:03 GMT -5
We need Greg to come out of his slump and get back to his average. He had 12 pts vs. Xavier. All hands on deck!
If Greg starts to score consistently, Jamorko continues to improve on offense while keeping his defensive game, the role players (Jagan, Kaleb, Blair and Trey) continue to play good role minutes like they've played the last few games, the team cuts TOs by 30%, the team puts more effort in defense, and Jessie and the frosh play to the level they are playing (and I think they'll improve), then we will be difficult to beat the rest of the season. I don't think those factors are difficult to accomplish. Maybe the hardest one might be Greg's scoring since he has been so up and down.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 28, 2019 22:20:59 GMT -5
What if he keeps shooting because he has the green light from Pat? We don't know what's going on in practice and, until someone asks Pat in the press room, we will not know. Don't get me wrong, I would take some mpg from Trey, but we need him to back Govan or Josh, because we're thin in the position and Pat will not play Carter. To be clear I like Trey's jumper, but not when he is trying to make his best impression of Govan with a defender on his face. I don't want him to take it upon himself to score. I want him to be the fourth or fifth option on the court. Agreed and he's gotten 26 minutes in his three games since his return. Its pretty clear if we're not at a size disadvantage Kaleb is getting the backup 4 minutes primarily and Trey spells Govan. This weird "Trey is getting too many minutes" narrative is about eight weeks stale. That said, we need experienced size and he's all we've got. So if we need some beef against Xavier to bump Hankins and Jones into the third row, Trey is the guy. I don’t think the narrative is that he’s getting too many minutes so much as it’s hes not really helping the team at all in the minutes he does get. He takes far too many ill-advised shots, he’s turns it over way too much, and he’s a rather poor defender. Every other guy on the team has at least one discernible skill that contributes to the team in a positive way. I just don’t see him making positive contributions. He seems like a nice kid who works hard and represents the university well. But he’s just not a BE caliber basketball player. I’d rather see his minutes go to Carter but I can live with him getting 6-8 mins a game backing up Govan. But there is no reason on gods green earth that he and Jessie should ever be on the floor together.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 29, 2019 6:46:39 GMT -5
Agreed and he's gotten 26 minutes in his three games since his return. Its pretty clear if we're not at a size disadvantage Kaleb is getting the backup 4 minutes primarily and Trey spells Govan. This weird "Trey is getting too many minutes" narrative is about eight weeks stale. That said, we need experienced size and he's all we've got. So if we need some beef against Xavier to bump Hankins and Jones into the third row, Trey is the guy. I don’t think the narrative is that he’s getting too many minutes so much as it’s hes not really helping the team at all in the minutes he does get. He takes far too many ill-advised shots, he’s turns it over way too much, and he’s a rather poor defender. Every other guy on the team has at least one discernible skill that contributes to the team in a positive way. I just don’t see him making positive contributions. He seems like a nice kid who works hard and represents the university well. But he’s just not a BE caliber basketball player. I’d rather see his minutes go to Carter but I can live with him getting 6-8 mins a game backing up Govan. But there is no reason on gods green earth that he and Jessie should ever be on the floor together. This is correct. This isn’t a no-schollie Ivy League sport. That comes with some barbed reality that many, many kids would gladly accept for the opportunity to play on such a stage. Many of us have beaten this drum a bit excessively, but this is a business and the school’s primary marketing spend. Let’s not act like it’s 1952.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 29, 2019 7:30:41 GMT -5
This is correct. This isn’t a no-schollie Ivy League sport. That comes with some barbed reality that many, many kids would gladly accept for the opportunity to play on such a stage. Many of us have beaten this drum a bit excessively, but this is a business and the school’s primary marketing spend. Let’s not act like it’s 1952. So many things wrong with this I am almost not sure where to start. Hoops is not GU’s primary marketing spend, though it is higher profile than many others, If you think the school is trying to recruit prospective s by getting them into Hoya basketball, you are wildly out of touch with what our leading academic institution is all about. Second, no, it is not a “business” in the make money sense. The school needs to remain solvent, but we are not making playing time decisions based on how much income we think a certain player may help generate. If we were, Trey would be starting as his father is a major donor and fundraiser. Thirdly, “we” have not beaten this drum excessively - you have. Posters critique Trey’s game and skills, but you just keep shiving him in the yard. Enough! Whatever else he may be, he puts his heart and soul into the team, does what his coach tells him and doesn’t deserve the excessive negativity you can’t control yourself from loading on him. Back the ghuck off.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 29, 2019 7:54:42 GMT -5
barttorvik.com/team.php?team=GeorgetownSo much talk on our own TOs, but one area that we are struggling with (ranked 308) is forcing TOs. I’m not sure how much of that is pure luck, but clearly there is an element that is missing from our defense in putting pressure on teams. There are few possessions a game where it feels like we’ve truly made the opposition uncomfortable. I really can’t think of a single time we’ve gone to a press that we’ve forced a turnover. Not sure it’s anything we can fix, but it certainly sheds light on the overall defensive picture, as we are in theory allowing our opponents more possessions with shot attempts than average. I’d love to see Mac and James take a few more chances at a swipe (as was done at the end of the SJ game) albeit at the risk of getting beat. Given they are getting beat on a lot of possessions already and we have limited rim protection, I’d almost rather us gamble a bit more to see if we can get a few steals and easy buckets.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 29, 2019 8:15:33 GMT -5
barttorvik.com/team.php?team=GeorgetownSo much talk on our own TOs, but one area that we are struggling with (ranked 308) is forcing TOs. I’m not sure how much of that is pure luck, but clearly there is an element that is missing from our defense in putting pressure on teams. There are few possessions a game where it feels like we’ve truly made the opposition uncomfortable. I really can’t think of a single time we’ve gone to a press that we’ve forced a turnover. Not sure it’s anything we can fix, but it certainly sheds light on the overall defensive picture, as we are in theory allowing our opponents more possessions with shot attempts than average. I’d love to see Mac and James take a few more chances at a swipe (as was done at the end of the SJ game) albeit at the risk of getting beat. Given they are getting beat on a lot of possessions already and we have limited rim protection, I’d almost rather us gamble a bit more to see if we can get a few steals and easy buckets. I noticed this as well when perusing stats the other day. And by the eye test, we’re pretty abysmal at forcing turnovers as well. I think part of this is due to our interior defense lacking. Having athletic, defensive minded big men inside makes playing pressure d and gambling a bit on the perimeter a lot easier because you’ve got a safety net behind you. The hope is that our incoming big men will be able eventually to provide this kind of safety net allowing our guards/wings to pressure and trap and even gamble more often.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 29, 2019 8:33:28 GMT -5
barttorvik.com/team.php?team=GeorgetownSo much talk on our own TOs, but one area that we are struggling with (ranked 308) is forcing TOs. I’m not sure how much of that is pure luck, but clearly there is an element that is missing from our defense in putting pressure on teams. There are few possessions a game where it feels like we’ve truly made the opposition uncomfortable. I really can’t think of a single time we’ve gone to a press that we’ve forced a turnover. Not sure it’s anything we can fix, but it certainly sheds light on the overall defensive picture, as we are in theory allowing our opponents more possessions with shot attempts than average. I’d love to see Mac and James take a few more chances at a swipe (as was done at the end of the SJ game) albeit at the risk of getting beat. Given they are getting beat on a lot of possessions already and we have limited rim protection, I’d almost rather us gamble a bit more to see if we can get a few steals and easy buckets. I disagree depending on the situation. If it’s a guard swiping at a perimeter player, go for it. But, as we have seen this season, our guard cheating from the perimeter to swipe at a C backing our C to the hoop has led to plenty of wide-open 3s for our opponents. We were lucky that SJU did not make them. Also, many of SJU’s were stupid mistakes on our part or lazy passing, not something special that SJU did other than staying active. What we need to do is play better, more active defense and the steals and turnovers will come, and if we’re going to gamble, do it wisely.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 29, 2019 8:34:10 GMT -5
One game at a time. Execute for 40 minutes...we should win. Keep the momentum going.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 29, 2019 8:54:24 GMT -5
This is correct. This isn’t a no-schollie Ivy League sport. That comes with some barbed reality that many, many kids would gladly accept for the opportunity to play on such a stage. Many of us have beaten this drum a bit excessively, but this is a business and the school’s primary marketing spend. Let’s not act like it’s 1952. So many things wrong with this I am almost not sure where to start. Hoops is not GU’s primary marketing spend, though it is higher profile than many others, If you think the school is trying to recruit prospective s by getting them into Hoya basketball, you are wildly out of touch with what our leading academic institution is all about. Second, no, it is not a “business” in the make money sense. The school needs to remain solvent, but we are not making playing time decisions based on how much income we think a certain player may help generate. If we were, Trey would be starting as his father is a major donor and fundraiser. Thirdly, “we” have not beaten this drum excessively - you have. Posters critique Trey’s game and skills, but you just keep shiving him in the yard. Enough! Whatever else he may be, he puts his heart and soul into the team, does what his coach tells him and doesn’t deserve the excessive negativity you can’t control yourself from loading on him. Back the ghuck off. I might have considered it until you invalidated your entire post with your immature final sentence. But thanks for playing morality police for us all on a message board where discussions concerning basketball skills, or in this case a remarkable lack thereof, are completely inbounds.
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