blueeagle
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Post by blueeagle on May 14, 2020 16:06:11 GMT -5
I'd like to say that the Trump administration is now shifting their focus from the pandemic to the presidential elections. But that would be inaccurate as they were never really that focused on the pandemic to begin with. All decisions in the past 3 months have been made with November in mind.
As he grows bored and weary of COVID 19, he will attempt to control the news cycle to consolidate his base and distract his detractors.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on May 14, 2020 19:22:09 GMT -5
It seems that Trump wants to run against Obama which will surely rile up his base but I’m not so sure that’s a great idea to appeal to the 80% of us who are not white supremacists. Good Lord, I really pray that your 20% figure is way too high. As crazy as things are in this country, I can't fathom of the possibility that 20% of our populace are white supremacists. Either that, or we're using different definitions. I don't think someone who is a racist is necessarily a white supremacist. That's a different class altogether.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 14, 2020 19:37:00 GMT -5
One to file away for the presidential library at Mar-A-Lago:
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 19:57:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 20:01:14 GMT -5
One to file away for the presidential library at Mar-A-Lago: President Trump was wary of making preparations for the coronavirus pandemic because he was concerned doing so would sent the stock market into a panic, the Financial Times reports. In a quote attributed to an unnamed Trump confidant who is said to speak to the president frequently, it’s claimed: “Jared [Kushner] had been arguing that testing too many people, or ordering too many ventilators, would spook the markets and so we just shouldn’t do it... That advice worked far more powerfully on [Trump] than what the scientists were saying. He thinks they always exaggerate.” Elsewhere in the FT investigation into Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic, an unnamed administration official is reported to have told the paper that trying to advise the president is like “bringing fruits to the volcano... You’re trying to appease a great force that’s impervious to reason.”
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 14, 2020 20:07:33 GMT -5
Turns out electing the dumbest person in the country was a bad idea.
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Post by hoyajinx on May 14, 2020 20:18:47 GMT -5
Turns out electing the dumbest person in the country was a bad idea. To be fair, he’s not the dumbest person in the country. The 60 million people who voted for him are even dumber.
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DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on May 14, 2020 20:47:13 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into this again but unmasking sounds mysterious and it is not. It not unusual in the least to help the IC understand the nature of the intelligence it has gathered. Most people have zero understanding of what it means but it sure sounds nefarious. 18 USC Section 1801(h). The pertinent phrase in 1801(h)(2) requires minimization and that intelligence information "shall not be disseminated in a manner that identifies any United States person, without the person's consent, u nless such person's identity is necessary to understand foreign intelligence information or assess its importance." Flynn is overheard on properly authorized electronic surveillance of non-U.S. person Ambassador Kislyak. An intelligence report is generated which states something along the lines: "On December 17, 2016, an identified U.S. Person associated with a political campaign discusses sanctions imposed by the USG against Russia with the Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergey Kisylak." In the bizarro world of the Republican Party and the Fox News Trump cultists, the upper echelons of the USIC should sit quietly and not determine the identity of U.S. Person referenced in the above intelligence report in order to determine if there is threat to U.S. national security. Morons. www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/CLPT-USP-Dissemination-Paper---FINAL-clean-11.17.17.pdfA question for the guy on this board who knows a lot more than I do on this topic: Samantha Powers testified that she had “no recollection of making a request related to General Flynn.” It’s now being reported (perhaps incorrectly worded) that “Power made seven separate requests to unmask Flynn’s name over a six-week period between the end of November 2016 and Jan. 11, 2017.“ So how does the process for unmasking actually work? Does an official see an intelligence report and ask for the identity of the US Person That was referred to? If that’s the process, it would make sense that someone like Powers wouldn’t remember every single unmasking request and wouldn’t have made a request “relating to” Flynn. Or is the process that the official ask for the reports of a particular person (like Flynn)? Or some other process?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on May 15, 2020 5:27:32 GMT -5
The whole purpose of masking (or more properly called "minimization") is to protect the identity of a U.S. Person initially at the acquisition stage and following on through its retention and dissemination. Minimization Procedures - Foriegn Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 18 USC Section 1801(h)(1) "Minimization Procedures, with respect to electronic surveillance means: specific procedures which shall be adopted by the Attorney General, that are reasonably designed in light of the purpose and technique of the particular surveillance, to minimize the acquisition, retention, and prohibit the dissemination, of nonpublicly available information concerning unconsenting United States Persons consistent with the need of the United States to obtain, produce, and disseminate foreign intelligence information." 1801(h)(2) procedures that require that nonpublicly available information, which is not [international terrorism related to violent acts or acts dangerous to human life see 1801(c)(1)] shall not be disseminated in a manner that identifies any United States person, without such person's consent, unless such person's identity is necessary to understand foreign intelligence information or assess its importance. You are correct that Powers could not properly ask the FBI/NSA/CIA for "any intelligence reports relating to General Michael Flynn". It is as you stated since there may have been many requests for unmasking of an identity of a U.S. Person Powers wouldn't necessarily recall all of them nor could she specifically ask for reports that mention Flynn. It doesn't work that way. She may have read intelligence report(s) that refer to a U.S. Person and given the context of the information, determine if she needed to know the identity of the person in order to understand or assess the import of the report. As you could imagine, such requests are typically vetted through many lawyers to ensure that the request complies with the procedures and Director Nakasone of NSA has stated that the requests and disclosures complied with the procedures. IMO, the release of the list by Acting DNI Grenell (a political hack of the highest order) is simply to feed oxygen to the Fox News and OAN Trump cultists and Trump's delusions of "Obamagate." There is nothing nefarious about unmasking within the USIC but because it sounds mysterious and almost no one outside of the USIC even really knows what it means, Trump cultists can convert it into any fevered conspiracy they wish. As the DOJ IG has already found, the foreign counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign contacts with Russia was properly predicated. Moreover, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in a bipartisan manner determined that Russia interfered in the 2016 campaign on behalf of Trump. End of story. Trump's "Obamagate" is simply another feeble attempt to distract from his failure to address the public health crisis he and his regime have so badly bungled. "It just isn’t that hard to see how, when there is communications between a foreign-intelligence target and a person associated with a presidential campaign, the assessment of the situation requires knowing who in particular that US person is." www.lawfareblog.com/unmasking-primer-issues-rules-and-possible-reforms
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Post by Elvado on May 15, 2020 7:02:06 GMT -5
Biden is in January 5, 2017 Oval Office meeting where Flynnmatter is discussed.
On January 12, 2017 Biden (or someone on his behalf requests Flynn’s unmasking).
May 14, 2020 under intense questioning from Lawrence O’Donnell, Biden denies knowing anything about Flynn investigation.
Case closed.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 15, 2020 7:57:13 GMT -5
Biden is in January 5, 2017 Oval Office meeting where Flynnmatter is discussed. On January 12, 2017 Biden (or someone on his behalf requests Flynn’s unmasking). May 14, 2020 under intense questioning from Lawrence O’Donnell, Biden denies knowing anything about Flynn investigation. Case closed. Given that the real crime in “Obamagate” is that we had the nerve to elect a black president, it’s not surprising that you are jumping into this one with both feet.
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Post by Elvado on May 15, 2020 8:01:42 GMT -5
Biden is in January 5, 2017 Oval Office meeting where Flynnmatter is discussed. On January 12, 2017 Biden (or someone on his behalf requests Flynn’s unmasking). May 14, 2020 under intense questioning from Lawrence O’Donnell, Biden denies knowing anything about Flynn investigation. Case closed. Given that the real crime in “Obamagate” is that we had the nerve to elect a black president, it’s not surprising that you are jumping into this one with both feet. Project much?
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Post by TC on May 15, 2020 9:56:54 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that Republicans care about spying on Americans when they voted this week to allow warrantless surveillance of metadata.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 10:01:42 GMT -5
Biden is in January 5, 2017 Oval Office meeting where Flynnmatter is discussed. On January 12, 2017 Biden (or someone on his behalf requests Flynn’s unmasking). May 14, 2020 under intense questioning from Lawrence O’Donnell, Biden denies knowing anything about Flynn investigation. Case closed. Obama told Trump not to hire Flynn. Trump and the VP said Flynn lied to them. Trump's DOJ prosecuted Flynn. Flynn plead guilty to lying to avoid being charged with more serious crimes. What are you alleging here? Can you break it down for us?
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hoyajinx
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Post by hoyajinx on May 15, 2020 10:08:53 GMT -5
Biden is in January 5, 2017 Oval Office meeting where Flynnmatter is discussed. On January 12, 2017 Biden (or someone on his behalf requests Flynn’s unmasking). May 14, 2020 under intense questioning from Lawrence O’Donnell, Biden denies knowing anything about Flynn investigation. Case closed. Obama told Trump not to hire Flynn. Trump and the VP said Flynn lied to them. Trump's DOJ prosecuted Flynn. Flynn plead guilty to lying to avoid being charged with more serious crimes. What are you alleging here? Can you break it down for us? I was literally going to ask the same thing. I am not even sure what people are alleging anymore. It seems like Trump tweeted out “Obamagate” and now the entire right is in retcon mode trying to fill in the blanks; it seems like it’s all blank.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 15, 2020 14:17:38 GMT -5
Turns out electing the dumbest person in the country was a bad idea. To be fair, he’s not the dumbest person in the country. The 60 million people who voted for him are even dumber. You have a point. But, on the other hand, he just said this...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 15:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 23:53:11 GMT -5
elvado Have we figured out what Obamagate is yet?
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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2020 6:24:51 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2020 13:24:41 GMT -5
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