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Post by daymondmyles on Nov 4, 2018 12:46:55 GMT -5
I’m sort of surprised no fan base has organized a kneel in for the national anthem. I really wish Georgetown (Hoya Blue) would organize one for a Georgetown game. It’s crazy to me that players are left out there to do it on their own with no fans participating. And as a program that has been built on social justice, it would be great for Georgetown fans to do it for once. I know it’s a divisive issue, but if anybody could and should pull it off, it’s Hoyas.
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Nov 4, 2018 18:30:48 GMT -5
Excellent idea. Any idea what the players feel on this issue
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 4, 2018 19:58:44 GMT -5
Nah
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DoctorHoya
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Post by DoctorHoya on Nov 4, 2018 22:09:22 GMT -5
No thanks. Focus on the basketball and forget the politics
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Post by justsaying on Nov 4, 2018 22:30:11 GMT -5
If the team did I would support them, if they did not want to I would support them. But social justice is more of an issue of right and wrong versus political. Whether something is right or wrong has more to do with being humane than whether it is political. Wanting to make such a topic political can give one an excuse to not want to address it.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 4, 2018 23:23:53 GMT -5
The Hoyatalk board strikes me as blissfully free of controversy not directly related to basketball. If this topic is to be addressed, I'd prefer to have it done elsewhere, perhaps at 37th and O.
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Post by justsaying on Nov 5, 2018 12:31:05 GMT -5
The name of this thread is Kneel In:
The moderators of these links have not found it inappropriate to have this link if they did then they would had it removed.
Avoiding controversy at times can lead to having misdirected ill information to flourish and thus misconceptions have gained an aid to exist longer. I respect the views from various ones be it for or against or not comment at all, but let's not wish it away or misdirect.
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Post by stafford72 on Nov 5, 2018 12:43:49 GMT -5
There are better and much less polarizing means of addressing views on intolerance and racial profiling. Encourage other avenues.
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Post by russghoya on Nov 5, 2018 15:53:13 GMT -5
I for one will not attend a single game if that happens. Can’t we have something to enjoy without politics?
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Post by justsaying on Nov 5, 2018 16:02:26 GMT -5
I for one will not attend a single game if that happens. Can’t we have something to enjoy without politics? I not sure how wanting someone to be treated fairly or humanely places you on one side or the other of some political theater. As I've previously said wanting to place such a label (politics) on wanting to be treated decently should be a act of an understanding human. Not some label to cater to a given side. Humanely is not politics.
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Post by kansashoyafan on Nov 5, 2018 16:04:25 GMT -5
I suggest you not attend. It is in the tradition of Hoya basketball to stand or kneel in this case for social justice. Otherwise you have no tradition in major college basketball.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Nov 7, 2018 21:31:45 GMT -5
I suggest you not attend. It is in the tradition of Hoya basketball to stand or kneel in this case for social justice. Otherwise you have no tradition in major college basketball. Blah blah blah. It may be in the tradition of Georgetown but the sports have nothing to do with it. Just let us enjoy something that isn’t polarizing
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 7, 2018 22:08:54 GMT -5
Can we agree to wait to discuss this until the team actually brings it up themselves?
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Post by daymondmyles on Nov 8, 2018 0:15:03 GMT -5
I’m disappointed but guess I’m not surprised. This program has always been about more than basketball. That’s what makes it special. Some may only buy into the part that’s about character & family. But much of our history is rooted in activism/protest. From Big John’s protest of Prop 42 to wearing I Can’t Breateh shirts, it’s part of who we are. I didn’t want to wait for the players to bring it up. Why is it their responsibility? Why can’t we bear some of that for once?
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 8, 2018 2:38:15 GMT -5
There are better and much less polarizing means of addressing views on intolerance and racial profiling. Encourage other avenues. Yes a thousand times.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Nov 8, 2018 7:09:29 GMT -5
I’m disappointed but guess I’m not surprised. This program has always been about more than basketball. That’s what makes it special. Some may only buy into the part that’s about character & family. But much of our history is rooted in activism/protest. From Big John’s protest of Prop 42 to wearing I Can’t Breateh shirts, it’s part of who we are. I didn’t want to wait for the players to bring it up. Why is it their responsibility? Why can’t we bear some of that for once? It’s up to them to bring up if they want. Don’t try to push your views on them so it’s broadcast on a national level... selfish...
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 8, 2018 7:20:25 GMT -5
I’m disappointed but guess I’m not surprised. This program has always been about more than basketball. That’s what makes it special. Some may only buy into the part that’s about character & family. But much of our history is rooted in activism/protest. From Big John’s protest of Prop 42 to wearing I Can’t Breateh shirts, it’s part of who we are. I didn’t want to wait for the players to bring it up. Why is it their responsibility? Why can’t we bear some of that for once? It’s up to them to bring up if they want. Don’t try to push your views on them so it’s broadcast on a national level... selfish... Just curious...no answer required. Have you spent more energy objecting to this idea of fans kneeling during a game than you have to objecting to the treatment of people of color by law enforcement?
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Post by DoctorHoya on Nov 8, 2018 7:25:10 GMT -5
It’s up to them to bring up if they want. Don’t try to push your views on them so it’s broadcast on a national level... selfish... Just curious...no answer required. Have you spent more energy objecting to this idea of fans kneeling during a game than you have to objecting to the treatment of people of color by law enforcement? Actually, no. Helped organize a few walk outs/protests at my grad school. It just really irks me when people try to push this stuff on others when it should be their decision (or there’s no point). The only reason to do it here is for the national coverage which I think is selfish. I really enjoy watching gtown basketball as an escape from the daily bickering of politics and would hate to have it be ruined.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 8, 2018 7:52:51 GMT -5
I think anyone who wants to kneel should absolutely do so, just as anyone who want to stand with hand over heart should do so.
The need for group action, I am not so sure about.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 8, 2018 8:13:34 GMT -5
Here's my recommendation. I personally don't like the posture of the team during the anthem. It should be right hand over heart, facing the flag (not hands behind the back, hands clasped in front of you etc). See 36 USC Section 301. (I don't salute as a veteran although it is permissible under Section 301(b)(1)(B) because I feel silly saluting when not in uniform -- I believe the statute was amended when Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson proposed that change). For those players who wish to make any type of statement, a combination hand over heart and wearing a black glove as John Carlos and Tommie Smith did in the 1968 Olympics. Thus, you will be respectfully obeying the applicable federal statute while also making a relatively subtle statement. This can be done either individually or as a team if it chooses to do so and if Coach Ewing is on board. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
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