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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 1, 2018 14:24:36 GMT -5
It's hard to question a kid for choosing Harvard for academics. That said, these are the type of battles we would have a better chance of winning if we had better on-court results that the staff could reference. No doubt, the Big East is much bigger time basketball than the Ivy League, but Georgetown's performance of late wouldn't exactly lead a guy like Ledlum to think he might play at a high level in the Big East or in the NCAA tournament.
While Harvard hasn't made the NCAA tournament since 2015, they have some other good recruits. Also, they were tied for best team in the Ivy League last year, and lost in the tournament.
I'm just saying, we need to provide a more compelling basketball reason to come to Georgetown, and that will only happen when we field a better team that gets better results on the court. Hopefully 2018-2019 is that year.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 1, 2018 14:38:50 GMT -5
If you are deciding between Yale, Harvard and GU, a NCAA appearance means squat.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 1, 2018 14:50:17 GMT -5
If you are deciding between Yale, Harvard and GU, a NCAA appearance means squat. Exactly!
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Post by LCPolo18 on Nov 1, 2018 15:48:46 GMT -5
If you are deciding between Yale, Harvard and GU, a NCAA appearance means squat. It really depends on a player's priorities. There's a player on the Hoyas current roster that chose Georgetown over Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Columbia, and Brown.
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Post by bereal on Nov 1, 2018 16:29:17 GMT -5
If you are deciding between Yale, Harvard and GU, a NCAA appearance means squat. It really depends on a player's priorities. There's a player on the Hoyas current roster that chose Georgetown over Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Columbia, and Brown. I would have to think $$ was a factor. The way the education was funded was probably a factor (scholarship package). Harvard, Princeton and Penn are consistently ranked in the Top 5 academically.
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Post by boxout05 on Nov 1, 2018 17:12:18 GMT -5
Wish the kid the best of luck. For someone like him, Georgetown should pose an intriguing choice: Ivy academics vs. still really great academics + opportunity to play bball at the highest level. Unfortunately, were currently unable to pitch the basketball side, so it becomes a no-brainer.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 1, 2018 17:32:46 GMT -5
It really depends on a player's priorities. There's a player on the Hoyas current roster that chose Georgetown over Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Columbia, and Brown. I would have to think $$ was a factor. The way the education was funded was probably a factor (scholarship package). Harvard, Princeton and Penn are consistently ranked in the Top 5 academically. Well, he would likely have to come out of pocket for some of his Harvard Tuition versus a full ride scholarship at Georgetown. It's a tough thing to turn down when you are in that position. It is still good basketball and it's Harvard!
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 1, 2018 17:44:19 GMT -5
Obviously best of luck to the kid...
But it's kinda unfair that Ivy league schools can offer unlimited spots to kids..
Ledlum will make 15 legit recruits on their squad for next season and 18 overall...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 1, 2018 18:04:46 GMT -5
Obviously best of luck to the kid... But it's kinda unfair that Ivy league schools can offer unlimited spots to kids.. Ledlum will make 15 legit recruits on their squad for next season and 18 overall... Harvard and Princeton have done a GREAT job of targeting the right HM prospects early and showing them the value of the academics and the financial package that they get if they choose an Ivy league education. Northfield Mount Hermon is an Ivy League filler with very strong ties to Harvard and Stanford. I'm sure Coach Ewing who has his own ties to NMH will hopefully continue to recruit the NMH program...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 1, 2018 18:06:59 GMT -5
I had absolutely no idea they could do that...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 1, 2018 18:07:27 GMT -5
Harvard’s got $36 billion and we have under $2 billion. Talk about resources.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 1, 2018 18:42:37 GMT -5
Obviously best of luck to the kid... But it's kinda unfair that Ivy league schools can offer unlimited spots to kids.. Ledlum will make 15 legit recruits on their squad for next season and 18 overall... The lack of athletic scholarships and team based academic points system managing admissions more than levels the playing field.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 1, 2018 19:02:42 GMT -5
Obviously best of luck to the kid... But it's kinda unfair that Ivy league schools can offer unlimited spots to kids.. Ledlum will make 15 legit recruits on their squad for next season and 18 overall... The lack of athletic scholarships and team based academic points system managing admissions more than levels the playing field. It doesn't if the kids you're recruiting are legit students... www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/30/athlete-admissions/Athletes with the highest or second-highest academic rating on an internal Harvard admissions scale have an acceptance rate of 83 percent—compared to 16 percent for non-athletes—according to a report from the University’s Office of Internal Research.
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Post by doc2122 on Nov 1, 2018 19:20:43 GMT -5
Good luck to him I am sure he will do great. Move on to the next.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 1, 2018 19:42:55 GMT -5
The lack of athletic scholarships and team based academic points system managing admissions more than levels the playing field. It doesn't if the kids you're recruiting are legit students... www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/30/athlete-admissions/Athletes with the highest or second-highest academic rating on an internal Harvard admissions scale have an acceptance rate of 83 percent—compared to 16 percent for non-athletes—according to a report from the University’s Office of Internal Research.What does that have to do with lack of full ride scholarships? Plus, the statistics are naturally flawed as the athletes are from the specifically recruited population versus the blind application route of non athlete students. That highest or second highest academic rating score is still a significantly higher bar than what the other schools who are recruiting the same athlete have for prospective student athletes. To suggest that there is some inherent advantage for Ivy league schools based on number of slots is laughable to someone who actually knows first hand how it works.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 1, 2018 19:52:24 GMT -5
It doesn't if the kids you're recruiting are legit students... www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/30/athlete-admissions/Athletes with the highest or second-highest academic rating on an internal Harvard admissions scale have an acceptance rate of 83 percent—compared to 16 percent for non-athletes—according to a report from the University’s Office of Internal Research. What does that have to do with lack of full ride scholarships? Plus, the statistics are naturally flawed as the athletes are from the specifically recruited population versus the blind application route of non athlete students. That highest or second highest academic rating score is still a significantly higher bar than what the other schools who are recruiting the same athlete have for prospective student athletes. To suggest that there is some inherent advantage for Ivy league schools based on number of slots is laughable to someone who actually knows first hand how it works. I'm confused, your original response stated that "The lack of athletic scholarships and team based academic points system managing admissions more than levels the playing field." I took that to mean, you don't think it's unfair to schools outside of the Ivy league that they can seemingly recruit as many kids as they want to since they don't offer scholarships.. Did I misread your 1st response?
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 1, 2018 20:06:23 GMT -5
What does that have to do with lack of full ride scholarships? Plus, the statistics are naturally flawed as the athletes are from the specifically recruited population versus the blind application route of non athlete students. That highest or second highest academic rating score is still a significantly higher bar than what the other schools who are recruiting the same athlete have for prospective student athletes. To suggest that there is some inherent advantage for Ivy league schools based on number of slots is laughable to someone who actually knows first hand how it works. I'm confused, your original response stated that "The lack of athletic scholarships and team based academic points system managing admissions more than levels the playing field." I took that to mean, you don't think it's unfair to schools outside of the Ivy league that they can seemingly recruit as many kids as they want to since they don't offer scholarships.. Did I misread your 1st response? No, I don't think it's unfair. If they were able to offer the same full ride scholarships and unlimited, then I could see it being an advantage. Since they don't exist, it really comes down to how many kids that pass the requirements academically and on the sports field that are convinced to sign on the dotted line.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 1, 2018 20:16:00 GMT -5
I'm confused, your original response stated that "The lack of athletic scholarships and team based academic points system managing admissions more than levels the playing field." I took that to mean, you don't think it's unfair to schools outside of the Ivy league that they can seemingly recruit as many kids as they want to since they don't offer scholarships.. Did I misread your 1st response? No, I don't think it's unfair. If they were able to offer the same full ride scholarships and unlimited, then I could see it being an advantage. Since they don't exist, it really comes down to how many kids that pass the requirements academically and on the sports field that are convinced to sign on the dotted line. They don't offer scholarships per se but they do offer financial aid based on "need", I doubt very much their players are paying or taking out loans to attend Harvard... My main point still stands if you're an HM athlete and a high-level student, Ivy league schools have an advantage because they don't have to worry about scholarship slots... Again, Ledlum will give Amaker 15 players who had MM to HM offers on his roster next season, to me that's an advantage...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 1, 2018 20:49:36 GMT -5
No, I don't think it's unfair. If they were able to offer the same full ride scholarships and unlimited, then I could see it being an advantage. Since they don't exist, it really comes down to how many kids that pass the requirements academically and on the sports field that are convinced to sign on the dotted line. They don't offer scholarships per se but they do offer financial aid based on "need", I doubt very much their players are paying or taking out loans to attend Harvard... My main point still stands if you're an HM athlete and a high-level student, Ivy league schools have an advantage because they don't have to worry about scholarship slots... Again, Ledlum will give Amaker 15 players who had MM to HM offers on his roster next season, to me that's an advantage... The Ivy's have used this advantage to how many National Championships, Elite 8, and Sweet 16 runs over the years? They rarely get multiple bids to the Dance much less deep runs... I'm with HOYAPLAYA on this one. If they are able to identify, target and secure high major prospects who have the academic qualifications for the Ivy league without offering a full and complete atathletic scholarship, more power to them. Going forward this current Harvard team/roster will make for a very interesting case study...
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 1, 2018 21:17:03 GMT -5
No, I don't think it's unfair. If they were able to offer the same full ride scholarships and unlimited, then I could see it being an advantage. Since they don't exist, it really comes down to how many kids that pass the requirements academically and on the sports field that are convinced to sign on the dotted line. They don't offer scholarships per se but they do offer financial aid based on "need", I doubt very much their players are paying or taking out loans to attend Harvard... My main point still stands if you're an HM athlete and a high-level student, Ivy league schools have an advantage because they don't have to worry about scholarship slots... Again, Ledlum will give Amaker 15 players who had MM to HM offers on his roster next season, to me that's an advantage... I've got an unfair advantage on this one. I played football in the Ivy League and most athletes across all sports are taking out loans and paying a portion out of pocket. Trust me that there are a ton of loans being taken to close the gap for those that are in a "need based" situation.
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