tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Oct 17, 2018 9:43:25 GMT -5
When one refuses to accept objective financial realities even when personally experiencing them, I don't care how old one is. Wrong is wrong. Maybe some older folks should listen to some younger folks rather than espousing their long lives as evidence of a better informed opinion. Two comments. First, climate change backers have promised to put the coal industry out of business in this country. Lots of lost jobs. Yet, at the same time there are about 1,600 new coal-fired plants worldwide either planned or under construction at this time. China gets about 70% of its power from coal. But the elites in this country have decided to take away your jobs while the rest of the world is busy creating many, many new coal jobs? Second, everybody, both Repubs and Dems, talk of retraining workers so they can compete. What and how do you train a 55 year old farm worker to move to a new job? In a new location? Or a 50 year old steel worker? Retraining is something that sounds good on paper but, in reality, it is very difficult. Of course, you know best. If only those stupid middle aged people would move to Minneapolis from Alabama, we will hand them an iPad and tell them to start computer training. Then we will try to find an employer willing to hire a 55 year old with no applicable experience. Don't mean to ridicule, but "it ain't as easy as it sounds". If you re-read what I had written initially, you'll see I made a generational distinction and, more than that, pointed to it as part of the problem. You make good points about older workers. Of course, that's not remotely limited to blue collar jobs and is a common problem for a lot of us. That aside, the older farmers and coal workers that are, for all intents and purposes, stuck where they are, should realize that their line of work is neither preferable nor (likely) tenable for their children and even less so for their children's children. I was pointing out what has changed and what can be done in terms of education from the get-go. Retraining is an entirely different (and pervasive) issue. With regard to retraining, if I wanted to take the stance of a person like my father, I'd say, "Why should I pay for re-training an older worker? I had to pay for my initial training so screw them." Sounds pretty counterproductive, no?
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 17, 2018 19:49:16 GMT -5
Trump won the old vote (65 and up) by a healthy 9 points. So, old people need to shut the Edited up and go away. You had your chance and you are ruining the world. I can’t imagine why you think you’ve earned the right for anyone to listen to you. This is a ridiculous conceit, and I would posit that merely being old has little to do with it. The demographics might say something completely different. What percentage of those seniors are older men without a college education? As one of the 45% or so seniors who did not vote for Trump, and would never do so under any circumstances, I resent being told to go away.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 18, 2018 6:03:10 GMT -5
Representative Steve King is an embarrassment to the Republican party. He has been for some time. On October 16, he endorsed white-nationalist Faith Goldy for mayor of Toronto. Goldy has plumped for a book that calls for the extermination of “the Jewish menace” and says that it’s “very, very, very, very spot on given a lot of what the movement is talking about right now.” In August 2017 Goldy was fired by Rebel Media for podcasting with the neo-Nazi website, the Daily Stormer. Enough to gain Steve King’s endorsement? You bet. www.weeklystandard.com/adam-rubenstein/steve-king-endorses-white-nationalist-faith-goldy
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Post by Elvado on Oct 18, 2018 6:22:32 GMT -5
Representative Steve King is an embarrassment to the Republican party. He has been for some time. On October 16, he endorsed white-nationalist Faith Goldy for mayor of Toronto. Goldy has plumped for a book that calls for the extermination of “the Jewish menace” and says that it’s “very, very, very, very spot on given a lot of what the movement is talking about right now.” In August 2017 Goldy was fired by Rebel Media for podcasting with the neo-Nazi website, the Daily Stormer. Enough to gain Steve King’s endorsement? You bet. www.weeklystandard.com/adam-rubenstein/steve-king-endorses-white-nationalist-faith-goldyHe should be voted right out of office. The fact that he is even competitive speaks to the insane advantage incumbents have. Reminds one of how a Klansman kept getting re-elected to the Senate..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:20:37 GMT -5
The fact that Republicans keep rolling him out there and giving him prominent Committee assignments speaks to Republicans ability to tolerate overt and ACTIVE racism... See Donald Trump..
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 18, 2018 8:24:52 GMT -5
The fact that Republicans keep rolling him out there and giving him prominent Committee assignments speaks to Republicans ability to tolerate overt and ACTIVE racism... See Donald Trump.. Active Republican Racist Congressman v. Guy who's been dead 8 years who repudiated his Klan background. Got it. "Whataboutism" and false equivalence at its finest!! But this is the poster's specialty.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 18, 2018 8:48:37 GMT -5
The fact that Republicans keep rolling him out there and giving him prominent Committee assignments speaks to Republicans ability to tolerate overt and ACTIVE racism... See Donald Trump.. Active Republican Racist Congressman v. Guy who's been dead 8 years who repudiated his Klan background. Got it. "Whataboutism" and false equivalence at its finest!! But this is the poster's specialty. Glass houses my friend...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 9:21:30 GMT -5
The fact that Republicans keep rolling him out there and giving him prominent Committee assignments speaks to Republicans ability to tolerate overt and ACTIVE racism... See Donald Trump.. Active Republican Racist Congressman v. Guy who's been dead 8 years who repudiated his Klan background. Got it. "Whataboutism" and false equivalence at its finest!! But this is the poster's specialty. Honestly probably his best attribute is his ability to go back to the old testament to find a reason why Republicans acting immorally is ok.. "Did you know Cain was a registered Democrat?!" Us: Lot's of overt racism coming from the right, you guys planning on doing anything about that? Elvado: No, but did you know the Democrats started the KKK December 24, 1865? Us: But that's not true eit... Elvado: Glass Houses! Samesies!
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 18, 2018 10:07:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 1:07:27 GMT -5
Civility...
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 19, 2018 5:39:02 GMT -5
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Post by badgerhoya on Oct 19, 2018 11:00:19 GMT -5
Quite the "left-wing mob."
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 20, 2018 6:38:17 GMT -5
Good luck with this, Mr. Frum. Fat chance as long as the base of the GOP is exemplified by those Trump supporters who cheered and laughed about an attack on a reporter led by the so-called "law and order" President. Don the Con, the leader of the GOP is bereft of ANY democratic values. But a curious thing happens when you banish liberalism from your vocabulary. You rehabilitate illiberalism. As politics devolves into what President Barack Obama recently described as “a hostile competition between tribes and races and religions,” illiberalism seems to be spreading—and not only on the nationalist right, but also on the intersectional left. The extremes agree at a deeper philosophical level as well. Both dismiss the ideal of neutral principles and impersonal processes as illusions, even lies. Both insist that law only masks power, that truth is subordinate to ideology, that politics is war. A liberal Republicanism should demand reforms that forbid the corrupt practices of the Trump presidency. It should accept that expanded health coverage is here to stay—about time!—and then work to increase competition, incentives, and fair pricing within a universal system, so as to combat the wasteful American habit of spending more health dollars than any other developed country, for worse health outcomes. It should seek fiscal and environmental balance, by cutting spending, by taxing greenhouse-gas emissions, and by taxing consumption more and investment less. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/the-case-for-liberal-republicanism/570790/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 12:07:46 GMT -5
Quite the "left-wing mob." Indeed... Oh...
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 22, 2018 5:30:06 GMT -5
The "enlightened" hypocrisy of Your Republican Party. I just wonder how GOPers can stomach the likes of Trump, Pence, McConnell, Ryan, Pruitt, Zinke, Ross, Carson, DeVos, Nunes, Meadows, Flynn (guilty plea), Manafort (guilty plea), Gates (guilty plea), Gianforte (guilty plea), Hunter (indicted) Collins (indicted) . . . not to mention Coffee Boy Papadopoulos (guilty plea) and Fixer Cohen (guilty plea). As Republicans bash Democrats by saying they use "mob" tactics ahead of the November midterms, President Donald Trump offered praise for GOP Rep. Greg Gianforte's assault on a reporter in 2017. GOP lawmakers, including every Republican senator, did not provide answers to CNBC's inquiries about the president's remarks. The White House did not immediately respond to CNBC's request for comment. www.cnbc.com/2018/10/19/gop-quiet-on-trump-praising-greg-gianforte-for-assaulting-reporter.html
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Post by hoya9797 on Oct 22, 2018 10:33:34 GMT -5
This, in a nutshell, is trump and his party - “...help us determine what we want to believe” not what the facts are, no sir, not interested in that.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 23, 2018 5:04:56 GMT -5
The GOP base of aggrieved angry white men yet some here claim that both parties are repugnant but illogically assert that the GOP is the "lesser of two evils" ("I find them repugnant. Just less so than your crowd."): A short walk from where President-elect Abraham Lincoln made the last train stop in his home state before leaving for Washington on the verge of the Civil War, a Confederate battle flag flies from a home garage. The property belongs to former mayor Greg Cler, who runs a car repair shop in this central Illinois village of 3,500 people. Cler isn’t from the South. He grew up about five miles away, in Pesotum, where his father, like most others in the region, farmed corn and soy. But Cler has long felt an attachment to the flag. “Part of it is an act of rebellion,” he said. The other part is tied to the national turmoil surrounding race and identity. Cler sees the flag as a fitting symbol of white people’s shared grievances, which, he says, have new resonance today. The Confederate flag’s appearance at Trump rallies in 2016, sometimes emblazoned with his name, cemented its link to his “Make America Great Again” brand of patriotism, which appealed to many disaffected white people. Some supporters say the country under President Barack Obama put the needs of minorities before theirs. www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/10/22/feature/some-white-northerners-want-to-redefine-a-flag-rooted-in-racism-as-a-symbol-of-patriotism/?utm_term=.656727e127f2
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 23, 2018 7:44:14 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 23, 2018 8:38:28 GMT -5
The lesser of two evils??? The frequency with which Trump reverts to immigrant bashing and appeals to white fear underscores how dependent the GOP is on cultural and racial hysteria. As the temporary increase in GOP voter enthusiasm from Supreme Court Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh’s confirmation wears off, Trump looks for something to take the place. The white, male and noncollege educated base – primarily in places that in no way will be affected by border crossings – needs to be juiced up. www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/10/23/trump-plays-the-xenophobia-card-again/?utm_term=.faecf9df4fb1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 8:40:23 GMT -5
The self-proclaimed "Party of Family Values" at its finest (in both instances!)
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