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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 3, 2020 15:50:16 GMT -5
Tucker Carlson for President - 2024!!! How morally bankrupt is the Republican Party? You be the judge! Completely implausible, but a nice jolt to Tucker's ego. I'm sure someone said the same thing once about Bill O'Reilly, who's presumably still on vacation from Fox. Five years is a long time. In 1963, Richard Nixon was exiled from the GOP, and aspired to be commissioner of baseball. In 1971, no one was talking about Jimmy Carter. In 1987, very few were talking about Bill Clinton. In 1995, no one was talking about George W Bush. In 2003, no one was talking about Barack Omama. In 2011, Donald Trump was a TV reality host. 2024 will be interesting because unless the current president channels his inner Putin, none of today's candidates for 2020 will even be on the stage. Bernie will be 83, Elizabeth Warren will be 75, and at 82 Biden will not seek a second term. We are also assuming Dianne Feinstein chooses not to run at 92. The time for Rubio and Cruz has passed. There will be a Republican party in 2024 and if they avoid the Don Jr.-Kim Guilfoyle candidacy (already in progress), can offer some realistic choices to govern into America's 250th birthday six years away. Charlie Baker, Nikki Haley, and a Silicon Valley CEO or two would be in play from the moderate wing (including the perennially underrated Jon Huntsman, who will still only be 64) as well as conservatives like Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, or Cory Gardner. And while the candidacy of George P. Bush is still a few years away, the Republicans can do better than go with Fox News hosts, any more than the Democrats would nominate Chris Cuomo or Don Lemon. Besides, this would stall any Carlson candidacy in Fox Nation: he worked at CNN and MSNBC.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 3, 2020 16:00:29 GMT -5
Tucker Carlson for President - 2024!!! How morally bankrupt is the Republican Party? You be the judge! Completely implausible, but a nice jolt to Tucker's ego. I'm sure someone said the same thing once about Bill O'Reilly, who's presumably still on vacation from Fox. Five years is a long time. In 1963, Richard Nixon was exiled from the GOP, and aspired to be commissioner of baseball. In 1971, no one was talking about Jimmy Carter. In 1987, very few were talking about Bill Clinton. In 1995, no one was talking about George W Bush. In 2003, no one was talking about Barack Omama. In 2011, Donald Trump was a TV reality host. 2024 will be interesting because unless the current president channels his inner Putin, none of today's candidates for 2020 will even be on the stage. Bernie will be 83, Elizabeth Warren will be 75, and at 82 Biden will not seek a second term. We are also assuming Dianne Feinstein chooses not to run at 92. The time for Rubio and Cruz has passed. There will be a Republican party in 2024 and if they avoid the Don Jr.-Kim Guilfoyle candidacy (already in progress), can offer some realistic choices to govern into America's 250th birthday six years away. Charlie Baker, Nikki Haley, and a Silicon Valley CEO or two would be in play from the moderate wing (including the perennially underrated Jon Huntsman, who will still only be 64) as well as conservatives like Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, or Cory Gardner. And while the candidacy of George P. Bush is still a few years away, the Republicans can do better than go with Fox News hosts, any more than the Democrats would nominate Chris Cuomo or Don Lemon. Besides, this would stall any Carlson candidacy in Fox Nation: he worked at CNN and MSNBC. You forgot Lynn Cheney and Ivanka!!! The GOP deserves to be burned to the ground given what it has done to the country. Why anyone would want to be associated with the Republican Party as it is constituted is truly a mystery to me. No one seems to be able to articulate a rational reason other than it purports to be "pro-life" and appoints conservative judges. Is that enough to make up for the damage done to our democratic institutions and norms? Charlie Baker? Northeast Republican, nope. Nikki Haley? South Asian woman, nope. Jon Huntsman? Mormon and an Obama appointee, no chance. George P. Bush, nope. Trump has trashed the Bushes and the Trump supporters won't support him. Cotton, Hawley, Gardner (and soon to lose to Hickenlooper) all complicit with Trumpism. You think they are viable? The Republicans could have done better in 2016 and they certainly did not. Why do you think they will be any different in 2024?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 3, 2020 16:16:53 GMT -5
You forgot Lynn Cheney and Ivanka!!! The GOP deserves to be burned to the ground given what it has done to the country. Why anyone would want to be associated with the Republican Party as it is constituted is truly a mystery to me. A one party system is not in our nation's long term interests. That's not to say that rehabilitation is not in order, just as the Democratic Party was excoriated after Wilson (it won a total of two states outside the South in the 1920, 1924, and 1928 presidential elections combined) and subsequently had to rebuild itself. You don't hear the Democrats talk about that era because the Democrats of the 1910's were much like the Republican party of the 2010's.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 3, 2020 16:20:28 GMT -5
You forgot Lynn Cheney and Ivanka!!! The GOP deserves to be burned to the ground given what it has done to the country. Why anyone would want to be associated with the Republican Party as it is constituted is truly a mystery to me. A one party system is not in our nation's long term interests. That's not to say that rehabilitation is not in order, just as the Democratic Party was excoriated after Wilson (it won a total of two states outside the South in the 1920, 1924, and 1928 presidential elections combined) and subsequently had to rebuild itself. You don't hear the Democrats talk about that era because the Democrats of the 1910's was much like the Republican party of the 2010's. I agree that a one party system in the long run is absolutely terrible. But I don't see the GOP rising from the ash heap that Trump has created with the complicit GOP. The GOP is in need of a complete rebuild and I don't see the foundation upon which it can in the next 2 or 3 election cycles. And do you have any answer why a rational human being would want to be associated with this Republican Party?
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 3, 2020 19:50:07 GMT -5
A one party system is not in our nation's long term interests. That's not to say that rehabilitation is not in order, just as the Democratic Party was excoriated after Wilson (it won a total of two states outside the South in the 1920, 1924, and 1928 presidential elections combined) and subsequently had to rebuild itself. You don't hear the Democrats talk about that era because the Democrats of the 1910's was much like the Republican party of the 2010's. I agree that a one party system in the long run is absolutely terrible. But I don't see the GOP rising from the ash heap that Trump has created with the complicit GOP. The GOP is in need of a complete rebuild and I don't see the foundation upon which it can in the next 2 or 3 election cycles. And do you have any answer why a rational human being would want to be associated with this Republican Party? Don't you think that most of the Trump cultists will continue to support the Republicans? One could argue that they are loyal only to Trump, but I just don't see it that way. Just ask the Republicans in Rifle, Colorado.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 3, 2020 20:08:40 GMT -5
I agree that a one party system in the long run is absolutely terrible. But I don't see the GOP rising from the ash heap that Trump has created with the complicit GOP. The GOP is in need of a complete rebuild and I don't see the foundation upon which it can in the next 2 or 3 election cycles. And do you have any answer why a rational human being would want to be associated with this Republican Party? Don't you think that most of the Trump cultists will continue to support the Republicans? One could argue that they are loyal only to Trump, but I just don't see it that way. Just ask the Republicans in Rifle, Colorado. I think most Trump cultists will mostly check out of political participation altogether. They are disaffected and alienated and Trump embodied their angry white grievance and victimhood. I don't see anyone filling that role in a re-engineered GOP - neither Cotton nor Hawley - both lacking in any "charisma" whatsoever. Just classic angry white people as Michael Gerson described the Trumpian GOP. The GOP does not want to lose but "the tut-tutting" GOPers know that the Trump coalition is not a winning one. It will attempt a broader coalition and will lose the Trump cultists.
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Post by DallasHoya on Jul 4, 2020 9:58:28 GMT -5
A one party system is not in our nation's long term interests. That's not to say that rehabilitation is not in order, just as the Democratic Party was excoriated after Wilson (it won a total of two states outside the South in the 1920, 1924, and 1928 presidential elections combined) and subsequently had to rebuild itself. You don't hear the Democrats talk about that era because the Democrats of the 1910's was much like the Republican party of the 2010's. I agree that a one party system in the long run is absolutely terrible. But I don't see the GOP rising from the ash heap that Trump has created with the complicit GOP. The GOP is in need of a complete rebuild and I don't see the foundation upon which it can in the next 2 or 3 election cycles. And do you have any answer why a rational human being would want to be associated with this Republican Party? “Today, a Democratic majority is emerging, and it's my hypothesis, one I share with a great many others, that his majority will guarantee the Democrats remain in power for the next forty years." James Carville wrote that in 2009 after Obama’s first presidential win. At that time,, the demographics were all moving in the Democrats ‘ favor, as they are even more so today. The next year Republicans took the house, in 2015 years the senate, and in 2017 the presidency. We are about to see the reversal of all thanks to Trump. I’d be leery of predicting anything in American politics other than voters like to throw incumbent politicians, regardless of their political party.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 4, 2020 11:51:48 GMT -5
I agree that a one party system in the long run is absolutely terrible. But I don't see the GOP rising from the ash heap that Trump has created with the complicit GOP. The GOP is in need of a complete rebuild and I don't see the foundation upon which it can in the next 2 or 3 election cycles. And do you have any answer why a rational human being would want to be associated with this Republican Party? “Today, a Democratic majority is emerging, and it's my hypothesis, one I share with a great many others, that his majority will guarantee the Democrats remain in power for the next forty years." James Carville wrote that in 2009 after Obama’s first presidential win. At that time,, the demographics were all moving in the Democrats ‘ favor, as they are even more so today. The next year Republicans took the house, in 2015 years the senate, and in 2017 the presidency. We are about to see the reversal of all thanks to Trump. I’d be leery of predicting anything in American politics other than voters like to throw incumbent politicians, regardless of their political party. True. Carville and others underestimated the racism and white backlash that the Obama Presidency would engender. Trump, being the racist that he is tapped into it and the xenophobia of the GOP base. Predictions in a volatile environment are a coin flip but I think the 2018 midterms is a leading indicator for the short term. And the demographics are not in the GOP's favor absent an attempt to heed Reince Priebus's autopsy after Romney's loss in 2012. Given that the GOP relies upon an aging white male base bodes ill for its future. It also accounts for why voter suppression is a atandard tool for the GOP. What's the average age of a Fox News viewer? And the racial demo? www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/how-old-is-the-average-fox-news-viewer-in-america.html/Trump isn't the cause of the racism but merely allowed Republicans to truly reveal what they've become over the past decades after taking in all the Dixiecrats and Nixon's Southern Strategy. President Trump’s unyielding push to preserve Confederate symbols and the legacy of white domination, crystallized by his harsh denunciation of the racial justice movement Friday night at Mount Rushmore, has unnerved Republicans who have long enabled him but now fear losing power and forever associating their party with his racial animus. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-racism-white-nationalism-republicans/2020/07/04/2b0aebe6-bbaf-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html
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Post by badgerhoya on Jul 4, 2020 13:16:48 GMT -5
Don't you think that most of the Trump cultists will continue to support the Republicans? One could argue that they are loyal only to Trump, but I just don't see it that way. Just ask the Republicans in Rifle, Colorado. I think most Trump cultists will mostly check out of political participation altogether. They are disaffected and alienated and Trump embodied their angry white grievance and victimhood. I don't see anyone filling that role in a re-engineered GOP - neither Cotton nor Hawley - both lacking in any "charisma" whatsoever. Just classic angry white people as Michael Gerson described the Trumpian GOP. The GOP does not want to lose but "the tut-tutting" GOPers know that the Trump coalition is not a winning one. It will attempt a broader coalition and will lose the Trump cultists. Honestly, I think it depends on what DJT does post-Presidency. He’s not ever been known to keep himself quiet, and with all the time in the world, he’s free to Tweet ceaselessly about grievances he believes the GOP (and its candidates) should focus on. And just like the Tea Party before it, that energy is going to be tempting to conservative media and GOP candidates both.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 4, 2020 13:36:01 GMT -5
I think most Trump cultists will mostly check out of political participation altogether. They are disaffected and alienated and Trump embodied their angry white grievance and victimhood. I don't see anyone filling that role in a re-engineered GOP - neither Cotton nor Hawley - both lacking in any "charisma" whatsoever. Just classic angry white people as Michael Gerson described the Trumpian GOP. The GOP does not want to lose but "the tut-tutting" GOPers know that the Trump coalition is not a winning one. It will attempt a broader coalition and will lose the Trump cultists. Honestly, I think it depends on what DJT does post-Presidency. He’s not ever been known to keep himself quiet, and with all the time in the world, he’s free to Tweet ceaselessly about grievances he believes the GOP (and its candidates) should focus on. And just like the Tea Party before it, that energy is going to be tempting to conservative media and GOP candidates both. My guess is that he starts a media company perhaps with OANN as a base acquisition -- anything he believes he can monetize as he is an inveterate grifter. Then he creates a third party sapping the GOP of its racist, xenophobic aging base. Fundamentally, it's a cult of personality untethered to any coherent political philosophy but larded with unfounded conspiracy theories like those found on QAnon. As Trump has grown increasingly critical of Fox for occasionally practicing actual journalism, he has taken to boosting One American News Network (OANN). "Watching @foxnews on weekend afternoons is a total waste of time. We now have some great alternatives, like @oann," Trump tweeted earlier this month. amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/29/politics/donald-trump-white-house-fox-news/index.html?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15938882822881&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F04%2F29%2Fpolitics%2Fdonald-trump-white-house-fox-news%2Findex.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 13:52:37 GMT -5
Just a message for the folks who like to rail against cancel culture but reply "I don't care" when Trump does far worse things.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 4, 2020 15:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by DallasHoya on Jul 5, 2020 10:03:02 GMT -5
For those who don’t know what QAnon is (like me who had never heard of it before today): The Prophecies of Q
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 5, 2020 10:57:20 GMT -5
For those who don’t know what QAnon is (like me who had never heard of it before today): The Prophecies of QSupposedly, the "Q" was derived from a clearance level used by the Department of Energy for access to nuclear secrets - I had a "Q" clearance when I had DOJ work at Sandia and Los Alamos National Labs in the 1990s.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 13:31:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 16:14:58 GMT -5
Kushner's fam got 3 PPP loans.
Devin Nunes winery got a PPP loan
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Post by tashoya on Jul 6, 2020 17:10:37 GMT -5
Kushner's fam got 3 PPP loans. Devin Nunes winery got a PPP loan Sounds totally legit, right?
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