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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2020 14:51:51 GMT -5
Much has been said about John Thompson Jr., the hold he has on the program, the fact that Georgetown likes to keep things in the family, etc. Obviously, Ryan Mutombo should make whatever decision feels right for him, and if he decided to go elsewhere, I would not begrudge him.
All that being said, if we are not going to get a top 50 legacy son of one of Georgetown's best centers in program history - while the greatest center in Georgetown history is the coach - then what is the purpose of the Georgetown close-nit Thompson-heavy program we have?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 16:18:09 GMT -5
Meh...That question makes it seem like that is the only benefit of the relationship.
I don't think this kids decision has anything to do with the broader question of if continuing that relationship is to University's benefit or not. I think it's silly to frame it like that. He could go somewhere else and the team ends up being great. He could come here and they end up being terrible.
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 2, 2020 16:43:44 GMT -5
Meh...That question makes it seem like that is the only benefit of the relationship. I don't think this kids decision has anything to do with the broader question of if continuing that relationship is to University's benefit or not. I think it's silly to frame it like that. He could go somewhere else and the team ends up being great. He could come here and they end up being terrible. Agreed. I think some on this board are overdramatizing this one. If he’s a great fit, then fine, recruit him. FWIW, I read somewhere he said he planned to take his time with his recruitment into 2021 so those looking for a quick commitment likely won’t get there wish.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2020 16:47:30 GMT -5
This is not an instance of a guy who went to Georgetown, played basketball here, and then has a son as a top 50 recruit. Dikembe Mutombo has remained a constantly figure in the Georgetown community, he's done a ton of good things, and he has always made efforts to attend games as far as I can remember. Clearly, for Mutombo, Georgetown is a lot more than basketball. This is why I think he'd want Ryan Mutombo to go to Georgetown, not because of his basketball abilities.
Frankly, if all Ryan Mutombo cares about is basketball, then it would be completely logical for him to go somewhere else, but I hope his family connection to Georgetown causes him to give Georgetown a good look. I don't want kids going to Georgetown because they "should." But, if there is any situation where you'd think there's a good chance of it happening, this is it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 17:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 2, 2020 17:16:20 GMT -5
Meh...That question makes it seem like that is the only benefit of the relationship. I don't think this kids decision has anything to do with the broader question of if continuing that relationship is to University's benefit or not. I think it's silly to frame it like that. He could go somewhere else and the team ends up being great. He could come here and they end up being terrible. Also to add as someone who sees this from a parent's point of view: It really is not smart to push a child into one track, particularly towards a parent's alma mater. Children need to make their own choices. Parents need to guide that choice, not make it for them. If Ryan chooses Georgetown, that's great. It is no reflection upon staff, the Thompson connection, or really anything else.
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 2, 2020 17:25:48 GMT -5
A while back the kid said UNC was his dream school right? That mixed with the occasional annoyed tweets at Hoya fans and the constant stressing that he’s going to be his own man makes me really worried about this one. Even if UNC doesn’t come calling, it one of the other Blue Bloods starts sniffing seriously I would feel pretty pessimistic about our chances with him.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 2, 2020 18:03:18 GMT -5
To your question 2003, I don't think there's really a lot of recruiting value to the program's "Keep it in the family" approach. To the extent that there's a real upside to it, I'd guess that it's should the experiment work--and assuming we come through with the appropriate money--we wouldn't lose our coach to whatever blue blood is hunting for their next head coach. We don't want to be Xavier with Chris Mack, or Butler with Chris Holtman, or Marquette with Tom Crean or Buzz Williams. It's possible Seton Hall will face this this offseason. Other than Wright at Villanova, none of the other New Big East schools has really been able to sustain success the last couple decades and still retain their coach. When you hire "within the family", this isn't really as much of a concern. If we return to where we all want to be, it's possible that Patrick would listen to calls from the NBA, but he wouldn't be tempted to take a job in the B1G or the ACC or the SEC. Ultimately this probably isn't sufficient reason to narrow your search so much--IMHO you have to get the right coach no matter what, and believe in your ability to retain him if it comes down to it--but it's one of the biggest things in its favor.
Anyway, Patrick is the guy for the foreseeable future and with a few tweaks I still believe he can do what we're all hoping for.
As far as Ryan, he's made it clear that he doesn't want to be viewed as a Georgetown lock. He just wants to be a normal prospect and go through the process. I don't blame him at all. For his whole life he has been Dikembe's son. He wants to be treated like everyone else, legitimately consider all of his options, and make the decision he's most comfortable with. You only get one chance to go through the recruiting process and have all of these schools trying to charm you, have college students cheering for you at games, all the trappings of official visits, etc. Why not experience that?
If in the end Georgetown makes the most compelling case for his development as a basketball player and as a person, then we'll be the pick. If we don't, then he SHOULD go somewhere else. For what it's worth not only is he considering other schools but we have offered a number of other big guys in 2021 (Holmgren, Cisse, Reid, Wheeler, Etienne, etc.). Not that they're necessarily mutually exclusive by any means, but it's early and things are fluid on both sides.
Hopefully this upcoming visit is a big step in the right direction for us. I certainly wouldn't expect a commitment, but it's possible that we can create some space between us and some of the other competition (Georgia Tech, Texas A&M, etc.).
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 2, 2020 19:54:53 GMT -5
Please do not let him leave campus without a verbal commitment this week Won't happen. My guess is that he will wait till Fall or maybe Spring 2021 to commit.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 2, 2020 19:57:54 GMT -5
BTW, according to his Dad....he's now a 7 footer. Hopefully someone can change the tile of this thread to reflect that.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 3, 2020 8:19:41 GMT -5
MUST HAVE
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Mar 3, 2020 10:44:36 GMT -5
Fingers crossed. Hoping that what's best for the Hoyas is also what's best for Ryan. Deke is an amazing credit to the University. He doesn't need to deliver a top 50 front court son to us to prove anything (although that would be nice!). I'm hopeful Ryan appreciates the full scope of his dad's legacy and realizes that even when the ball stops bouncing a lot later than it does for most, it's about way more than basketball (even for the top players).
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Post by Elvado on Mar 3, 2020 10:59:06 GMT -5
Fingers crossed. Hoping that what's best for the Hoyas is also what's best for Ryan. Deke is an amazing credit to the University. He doesn't need to deliver a top 50 front court son to us to prove anything (although that would be nice!). I'm hopeful Ryan appreciates the full scope of his dad's legacy and realizes that even when the ball stops bouncing a lot later than it does for most, it's about way more than basketball (even for the top players). Well said. If he is his father’s son, he will make an intelligent decision, even if we Might not like it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 11:00:06 GMT -5
Any rumblings about Ryan changing schools for his final season?
Not a necessity obviously since he's already getting recognized, but it does seem like he's a big fish right now.
Apologies if this was already discussed.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 3, 2020 11:10:39 GMT -5
Fingers crossed. Hoping that what's best for the Hoyas is also what's best for Ryan. Deke is an amazing credit to the University. He doesn't need to deliver a top 50 front court son to us to prove anything (although that would be nice!). I'm hopeful Ryan appreciates the full scope of his dad's legacy and realizes that even when the ball stops bouncing a lot later than it does for most, it's about way more than basketball (even for the top players). From what I have seen and read about Ryan he is an improving prospect, as his increased ranking shows, but it did not seem like he is viewed as a "one and done" type of player and that if he has aspirations to play in the NBA, he would likely need at least a few years in college. If that is the case, you would think he would appreciate the coaching that he would get from "Uncle Patrick" in preparing him for the next level. I have also read some people saying he is a center and others saying he is a power forward. From the clips I have seen he seems to have a game that translates to being a power forward, which is a huge need for the Hoyas right now. I hope he selects Georgetown and I think it could be great story for him, his family and the university.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 4, 2020 1:18:13 GMT -5
Fingers crossed. Hoping that what's best for the Hoyas is also what's best for Ryan. Deke is an amazing credit to the University. He doesn't need to deliver a top 50 front court son to us to prove anything (although that would be nice!). I'm hopeful Ryan appreciates the full scope of his dad's legacy and realizes that even when the ball stops bouncing a lot later than it does for most, it's about way more than basketball (even for the top players). From what I have seen and read about Ryan he is an improving prospect, as his increased ranking shows, but it did not seem like he is viewed as a "one and done" type of player and that if he has aspirations to play in the NBA, he would likely need at least a few years in college. If that is the case, you would think he would appreciate the coaching that he would get from "Uncle Patrick" in preparing him for the next level. I have also read some people saying he is a center and others saying he is a power forward. From the clips I have seen he seems to have a game that translates to being a power forward, which is a huge need for the Hoyas right now. I hope he selects Georgetown and I think it could be great story for him, his family and the university. Yeah, most of the clips I've seen he looks more "power forwardish" -- these days, I guess most bigs are, though, when they aren't trying to be shooting guards.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 6, 2020 14:03:46 GMT -5
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Post by justsaying on Mar 6, 2020 18:12:58 GMT -5
power forward - definitely fit a need and want
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Post by cthoya16 on Mar 6, 2020 18:47:03 GMT -5
Per this account he’s on official, is that true?
I thought it was unofficial but looks like he’s on campus the whole weekend so makes sense..
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Post by justsaying on Mar 6, 2020 21:47:54 GMT -5
Per this account he’s on official, is that true? I thought it was unofficial but looks like he’s on campus the whole weekend so makes sense.. Georgetown Recruiting @gtownrecruiting Ryan Mutombo, a 4-star 2021 C, is on an official visit to Georgetown per @bigeast_BUCKETS #Hoyas
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