Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 15, 2020 23:03:23 GMT -5
I know Frazier complains all the time about people rooting against Georgetown succeeding but now we have a reason to 😁👏👏👏 First of all Casual is Jack@$$ in every aspect including posting that tweet. He really needs to take his platform to Barstool Sports. Last I checked Ryan Mutombo has taken one Official Visit to his dad's alma mater, which I would be shocked if Ryan hadn't been on Georgetown's campus a bunch of times before his OV. IMO It would be recruiting malpractice if Ryan Mutombo didn't at least take one other OV somewhere before deciding. That's the only way he can make an informed decision.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 16, 2020 11:04:39 GMT -5
If Ryan Mutombo chooses to go elsewhere it says less about Ryan Mutombo and more about the status of our program. Does anybody have a doubt that if we made the NCAA tournament and were a contender that he'd likely be a cinch to come to Georgetown? The problem is our program has fallen to the point where's it just isn't that appealing.
Also, former players always talk about the family element of Georgetown, etc. And, that's all well and good, but if you cannot use that family atmosphere to actually, you know...retain family members...then it makes one question what we are doing in the first place. As I said, the problem isn't Ryan, and if he chooses to go elsewhere, I will not harbor any ill will toward him at all. But, it will make me more displeased with the current state of the program. If this coach cannot get a Hoya great's son to want to commit to Georgetown or put out a program that appeals to someone like Ryan, I question whether he should be coaching at all.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jul 16, 2020 11:51:10 GMT -5
If Ryan Mutombo chooses to go elsewhere it says less about Ryan Mutombo and more about the status of our program. Does anybody have a doubt that if we made the NCAA tournament and were a contender that he'd likely be a cinch to come to Georgetown? The problem is our program has fallen to the point where's it just isn't that appealing. Also, former players always talk about the family element of Georgetown, etc. And, that's all well and good, but if you cannot use that family atmosphere to actually, you know...retain family members...then it makes one question what we are doing in the first place. As I said, the problem isn't Ryan, and if he chooses to go elsewhere, I will not harbor any ill will toward him at all. But, it will make me more displeased with the current state of the program. If this coach cannot get a Hoya great's son to want to commit to Georgetown or put out a program that appeals to someone like Ryan, I question whether he should be coaching at all. Unless you've spoken to Ryan or are close with his family I can't imagine how you would know what his thinking is or how the program status influences him. For perspective I would suggest you listen to the Dawg Talk podcast that Pat Ewing Jr recently appeared on. He speaks about his decision making that resulted in him initially attending Indiana. Pretty similar circumstances. anchor.fm/dawgtalk/episodes/Premier-Episode-with-Pat-Ewing-Jr--Part-1-efds4h
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 16, 2020 13:49:00 GMT -5
If Ryan Mutombo chooses to go elsewhere it says less about Ryan Mutombo and more about the status of our program. Does anybody have a doubt that if we made the NCAA tournament and were a contender that he'd likely be a cinch to come to Georgetown? The problem is our program has fallen to the point where's it just isn't that appealing. Also, former players always talk about the family element of Georgetown, etc. And, that's all well and good, but if you cannot use that family atmosphere to actually, you know...retain family members...then it makes one question what we are doing in the first place. As I said, the problem isn't Ryan, and if he chooses to go elsewhere, I will not harbor any ill will toward him at all. But, it will make me more displeased with the current state of the program. If this coach cannot get a Hoya great's son to want to commit to Georgetown or put out a program that appeals to someone like Ryan, I question whether he should be coaching at all. Many young men and women strive to walk their own path and not the same path as their parents or other family members. Yes, our program has been diminished the last 5 or 6 years, no one disputes that. But if Ryan goes elsewhere, it is just as likely that it is because he feels going to Georgetown would place too much of the focus on him being Dikembe's son rather than on being Ryan Mutombo.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 16, 2020 14:57:49 GMT -5
If Ryan Mutombo chooses to go elsewhere it says less about Ryan Mutombo and more about the status of our program. Does anybody have a doubt that if we made the NCAA tournament and were a contender that he'd likely be a cinch to come to Georgetown? The problem is our program has fallen to the point where's it just isn't that appealing. Also, former players always talk about the family element of Georgetown, etc. And, that's all well and good, but if you cannot use that family atmosphere to actually, you know...retain family members...then it makes one question what we are doing in the first place. As I said, the problem isn't Ryan, and if he chooses to go elsewhere, I will not harbor any ill will toward him at all. But, it will make me more displeased with the current state of the program. If this coach cannot get a Hoya great's son to want to commit to Georgetown or put out a program that appeals to someone like Ryan, I question whether he should be coaching at all. Unless you've spoke to Ryan or are close with his family I can't imagine how you would know what his thinking is or how the program status influences him. For perspective I would suggest you listen to the Dawg Talk podcast that Pat Ewing Jr recently appeared on. He speaks about his decision making that resulted in him initially attending Indiana. Pretty similar circumstances. anchor.fm/dawgtalk/episodes/Premier-Episode-with-Pat-Ewing-Jr--Part-1-efds4hI did listen to Dawg Talk with Patrick Ewing Jr. While Pat Jr. did not come out and explicitly say it (which makes sense, since he works for the university and is not going to want to be controversial), it was obvious that a consideration in his deciding against Georgetown was Esherick and that the program wasn't very good. So yeah, it's pretty analagous. Also, clearly I am not in Ryan's head. But, if you have listened to Dawg Talk, you will have heard that winning and/or the ability to win, is clearly a huge factor in picking a program. In fact, Ewing Jr. specifically said he did not consider North Carolina because they would be in rebuilding mode. Kids, especially top kids, want to go places where they can win. If you think the decline and continued stagnation of our program has had no impact on Mutombo's decision-making, then I don't know what to say. Further, that Georgetown is basically the only program Mutomobo is considering that HAS NOT had recent success is pretty telling.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jul 16, 2020 15:18:16 GMT -5
Unless you've spoken to Ryan or are close with his family I can't imagine how you would know what his thinking is or how the program status influences him. For perspective I would suggest you listen to the Dawg Talk podcast that Pat Ewing Jr recently appeared on. He speaks about his decision making that resulted in him initially attending Indiana. Pretty similar circumstances. anchor.fm/dawgtalk/episodes/Premier-Episode-with-Pat-Ewing-Jr--Part-1-efds4hI did listen to Dawg Talk with Patrick Ewing Jr. While Pat Jr. did not come out and explicitly say it (which makes sense, since he works for the university and is not going to want to be controversial), it was obvious that a consideration in his deciding against Georgetown was Esherick and that the program wasn't very good. So yeah, it's pretty analagous. Also, clearly I am not in Ryan's head. But, if you have listened to Dawg Talk, you will have heard that winning and/or the ability to win, is clearly a huge factor in picking a program. In fact, Ewing Jr. specifically said he did not consider North Carolina because they would be in rebuilding mode. Kids, especially top kids, want to go places where they can win. If you think the decline and continued stagnation of our program has had no impact on Mutombo's decision-making, then I don't know what to say. Further, that Georgetown is basically the only program Mutomobo is considering that HAS NOT had recent success is pretty telling. You can speculate about a stranger's motivations all you want. Just don't expect me to go along for that ride.
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Post by mdtd on Jul 16, 2020 15:31:06 GMT -5
Unless you've spoke to Ryan or are close with his family I can't imagine how you would know what his thinking is or how the program status influences him. For perspective I would suggest you listen to the Dawg Talk podcast that Pat Ewing Jr recently appeared on. He speaks about his decision making that resulted in him initially attending Indiana. Pretty similar circumstances. anchor.fm/dawgtalk/episodes/Premier-Episode-with-Pat-Ewing-Jr--Part-1-efds4hI did listen to Dawg Talk with Patrick Ewing Jr. While Pat Jr. did not come out and explicitly say it (which makes sense, since he works for the university and is not going to want to be controversial), it was obvious that a consideration in his deciding against Georgetown was Esherick and that the program wasn't very good. So yeah, it's pretty analagous. Also, clearly I am not in Ryan's head. But, if you have listened to Dawg Talk, you will have heard that winning and/or the ability to win, is clearly a huge factor in picking a program. In fact, Ewing Jr. specifically said he did not consider North Carolina because they would be in rebuilding mode. Kids, especially top kids, want to go places where they can win. If you think the decline and continued stagnation of our program has had no impact on Mutombo's decision-making, then I don't know what to say. Further, that Georgetown is basically the only program Mutomobo is considering that HAS NOT had recent success is pretty telling.I do think if Mutombo doesn't come here, our programs lack of recent success will be the #1 reason why. That being said, this point is not true. Georgia Tech, Stanford, Vanderbilt, and Wake Forest (new coach, but still) all haven't had much recent success. Stanford is expecting success (especially if Terry returns) and some people (not myself) are expecting much better things from Georgia Tech, but even so these programs have not had much recent success and are very involved in Ryan's recruitment.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jul 16, 2020 15:54:19 GMT -5
If Ryan Mutombo chooses to go elsewhere it says less about Ryan Mutombo and more about the status of our program. Does anybody have a doubt that if we made the NCAA tournament and were a contender that he'd likely be a cinch to come to Georgetown? The problem is our program has fallen to the point where's it just isn't that appealing. Also, former players always talk about the family element of Georgetown, etc. And, that's all well and good, but if you cannot use that family atmosphere to actually, you know...retain family members...then it makes one question what we are doing in the first place. As I said, the problem isn't Ryan, and if he chooses to go elsewhere, I will not harbor any ill will toward him at all. But, it will make me more displeased with the current state of the program. If this coach cannot get a Hoya great's son to want to commit to Georgetown or put out a program that appeals to someone like Ryan, I question whether he should be coaching at all. I actually disagree. In listening Ryan on various platforms, he is very much his own man -- much like his father. I am confident Ryan will pick a school that best fits him -- which could or could not be Georgetown, irrespective of Georgetown's NCAA "contender" status. I do not think Ryan picking or not picking Georgetown says anything about the status of the program. Of course, we want to see the program succeed, and this past year could have been that year. But, if Ryan decides that a different school is a better fit, it should in no way be deemed the death knell of the program. In fact, many years ago, Ryan said he wanted to go to UNC. And, as much as I would love Ryan to come to Georgetown, it would not be good for him or the program if his heart was elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 15:58:53 GMT -5
So much PTSD around here.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Jul 16, 2020 17:42:14 GMT -5
If Mutombo chooses another school I wouldn’t feel anywhere near the disappointment as I did when JJ’s kid went to Sparty.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jul 16, 2020 18:19:54 GMT -5
If Mutombo chooses another school I wouldn’t feel anywhere near the disappointment as I did when JJ’s kid went to Sparty. There was no chance of JJ's kid coming to Georgetown after the Hoyas4Hoyas debacle in 2004. Jaren was estranged from the program. This would be a much bigger blow to the program as Deke is a big part of the Georgetown basketball family and a major donor to the new facilities. You can't pride yourself on being a family program if you can't keep family in house.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 16, 2020 23:19:37 GMT -5
I actually disagree. In listening Ryan on various platforms, he is very much his own man -- much like his father. I am confident Ryan will pick a school that best fits him -- which could or could not be Georgetown, irrespective of Georgetown's NCAA "contender" status. I do not think Ryan picking or not picking Georgetown says anything about the status of the program. Of course, we want to see the program succeed, and this past year could have been that year. But, if Ryan decides that a different school is a better fit, it should in no way be deemed the death knell of the program. In fact, many years ago, Ryan said he wanted to go to UNC. And, as much as I would love Ryan to come to Georgetown, it would not be good for him or the program if his heart was elsewhere. We can agree to disagree on the first point. I do think the status of our program is a major factor in Ryan's decision. Keep in mind, this is consistent with Ryan picking the school that best fits him. My point is that the fit isn't as good because we are not winning. I agree with you it's not a death knell for the program long-term, but it probably would be a pretty bad result for the short-term success of the program, which needs as many top 100 guys as we can get. (I stand corrected on erroneously saying he was only considering programs with better success than ours.)
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Post by dchoya72 on Jul 17, 2020 7:15:56 GMT -5
If he wasnt Deke's son, would he be getting this much attention on this board....battling boredom.
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Post by reformation on Jul 17, 2020 7:23:27 GMT -5
Ryan seems genuinely interested in academics. It would be hard to fault him, or the Gtwn program, e.g., if he picked Stanford over Gtwn. Other than the legacy argument it would be hard to make either a basketball or academic argument that heavily leans in our favor.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jul 17, 2020 8:27:09 GMT -5
I actually disagree. In listening Ryan on various platforms, he is very much his own man -- much like his father. I am confident Ryan will pick a school that best fits him -- which could or could not be Georgetown, irrespective of Georgetown's NCAA "contender" status. I do not think Ryan picking or not picking Georgetown says anything about the status of the program. Of course, we want to see the program succeed, and this past year could have been that year. But, if Ryan decides that a different school is a better fit, it should in no way be deemed the death knell of the program. In fact, many years ago, Ryan said he wanted to go to UNC. And, as much as I would love Ryan to come to Georgetown, it would not be good for him or the program if his heart was elsewhere. We can agree to disagree on the first point. I do think the status of our program is a major factor in Ryan's decision. Keep in mind, this is consistent with Ryan picking the school that best fits him. My point is that the fit isn't as good because we are not winning. I agree with you it's not a death knell for the program long-term, but it probably would be a pretty bad result for the short-term success of the program, which needs as many top 100 guys as we can get. (I stand corrected on erroneously saying he was only considering programs with better success than ours.) Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree. If I had not heard Ryan years ago indicating his desire to go to a different school, I may feel a little differently. Also, I don't understand how people feel that legacy children must follow their parent's path. I am a second generation Hoya -- with 6 GU degrees between my father, sister and myself. My niece felt tremendous pressure to go to Georgetown, and was actually relieved when she was assured that it was not the case -- she followed her desire to attend college in Florida and has no regrets. Some legacy children will go elsewhere, irrespective of a school's reputation/status, for many reasons -- ranging from wanting to forge their own path to the school not being a personal fit. An insider recently warned on Twitter that we need to give Ryan some room and not put undue pressure on him. I think that is very good advice.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jul 17, 2020 9:39:35 GMT -5
Ryan, has the right and prerogative to go where he wants and evaluate all opportunities. I think if he were really passionste about being a Hoya and we wanted him, he might have chosen already. We have so many options in play for recruits right now the key will be winning!! My thoughts on this matter are selfish. Would like us to reel in great talent thant always be fishing. I am more excited about the possibilities of Holmgren than Mutombo right now.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 17, 2020 9:50:30 GMT -5
It would be nice to add a high-quality player from a high-quality family with deep ties to GU.
However, should the young man prefer another location for college, that is his prerogative.
Either way, when and if we start playing ball again, the Hoyas will have a team and I will root for them.
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 17, 2020 10:19:05 GMT -5
Holy cow, just let the young man choose where he wants to go to college.
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Post by IDenj on Jul 17, 2020 10:23:29 GMT -5
If Mutombo chooses another school I wouldn’t feel anywhere near the disappointment as I did when JJ’s kid went to Sparty. There was no chance of JJ's kid coming to Georgetown after the Hoyas4Hoyas debacle in 2004. Jaren was estranged from the program. This would be a much bigger blow to the program as Deke is a big part of the Georgetown basketball family and a major donor to the new facilities. You can't pride yourself on being a family program if you can't keep family in house. I see it differently. With Dikembe he’s pushing his kid to Georgetown but in the end will respect his sons decision. Whereas JJ was doing the opposite and pushing his son away from the program.
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Post by aggypryd on Jul 24, 2020 17:20:04 GMT -5
Just because I like seeing his name on the 1st page...
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