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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 6, 2020 11:26:40 GMT -5
We sign an important recruit and all the board can do on his thread is bash his interview and pick apart the ‘21 class. Ryan is articulate, smart and enthusiastic.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Oct 6, 2020 11:31:16 GMT -5
There is a difference - a huge difference - between expecting playing time, and demanding/requiring it. Virtually every freshman these days believes that he is good enough time get some time even as a freshman, and therefore "expects" time get some minutes. That does not mean that he doesn't recognize how much work he has to do. I did not hear even the suggestion of any "disrespect" to his teammates, and I can't imagine that the current mindset of our players and our incoming recruits sees it that way in the slightest. So do you think after listening to him that he over-estimates or under-estimates his competition at the C position? I didn’t hear him even acknowledge the 3 other centers on the roster. |
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Post by DudeSlade on Oct 6, 2020 11:35:38 GMT -5
Ryan, If you read your thread, here is some constructive criticism. You are articulate, but you made some pretty basic leadership errors in this interview. You and Aminu would make a powerful tandem? I want Aminu too, but what are 11 other Hoya players going to think about that comment. It was disrespectful to your recruiting class and all of your teammates. It takes more than 2 players to accomplish the goals you laid out. And your recruiting classmates seem more than capable. You may have the highest ranking, but you have more than enough competition to be the most impactful player just from that group. You expect early playing time? How do you think Qudus, Tim, and Malcolm ae going to respond to that? Maybe Qudus will move on to the NBA by then, but that still leaves Tim and Malcolm. You did yourself no favors with your future center teammates. If I am Malcolm, my new goal is to plant your arrogant ass on the bench so you have a great seat to watch me play. You are a talented player. We are glad to have you, but let’s try not alienate more than 50% of your teammates in your next interview. You will be part of a team. It is time to start thinking more about we than me. Why did you feel the need to write this? Even if you think you are right, it's not like this is a lesson taught to Ryan directly and it doesn't make you look knowledgeable about leadership to us random internet posters. He's an excited high school kid who just made his college decision that he hopes will get him to the NBA someday. He'll get plenty of lessons in leadership from experience and people who actually have been great leaders throughout their lives. I'm sure he's already received a lot of those from talking to and watching his dad. His teammates are going to be excited to have a player and teammate of his caliber joining them and appreciate the enthusiasm and work ethic. Unless they are far more thin-skinned than I'd expect for Division 1 athletes, they are not going to care that he got excited about possibly playing with a 5-star athlete at the time of his commitment, nearly a year before ever playing with them. In a 30 minute interview that he obviously conducted on his own with no handlers/coaching, he presented himself very well and said many of the things we'd hope to hear from not just players, but students at our alma mater. You may have felt a 30 second piece of that 30 minute interview didn't fit exactly what you wanted, but that seems quite nit-picky even if your evaluation was correct. How about just being excited we got a top 100 recruit who also happens to be a legacy of one of the great Hoyas (both as a player and a human) and seems to be a good kid? I like how he talked about the amount of work that he and the team will need to put in and the mentality they'd need to have. I also like that he seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder about where he's ranked and how the team & Big East are perceived -- that sort of chip has driven many athletes to keep working harder. |
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Oct 6, 2020 11:58:16 GMT -5
Ryan, If you read your thread, here is some constructive criticism. You are articulate, but you made some pretty basic leadership errors in this interview. You and Aminu would make a powerful tandem? I want Aminu too, but what are 11 other Hoya players going to think about that comment. It was disrespectful to your recruiting class and all of your teammates. It takes more than 2 players to accomplish the goals you laid out. And your recruiting classmates seem more than capable. You may have the highest ranking, but you have more than enough competition to be the most impactful player just from that group. You expect early playing time? How do you think Qudus, Tim, and Malcolm ae going to respond to that? Maybe Qudus will move on to the NBA by then, but that still leaves Tim and Malcolm. You did yourself no favors with your future center teammates. If I am Malcolm, my new goal is to plant your arrogant ass on the bench so you have a great seat to watch me play. You are a talented player. We are glad to have you, but let’s try not alienate more than 50% of your teammates in your next interview. You will be part of a team. It is time to start thinking more about we than me.  |
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Post by trillesthoya on Oct 6, 2020 12:12:42 GMT -5
Ryan, If you read your thread, here is some constructive criticism. You are articulate, but you made some pretty basic leadership errors in this interview. You and Aminu would make a powerful tandem? I want Aminu too, but what are 11 other Hoya players going to think about that comment. It was disrespectful to your recruiting class and all of your teammates. It takes more than 2 players to accomplish the goals you laid out. And your recruiting classmates seem more than capable. You may have the highest ranking, but you have more than enough competition to be the most impactful player just from that group. You expect early playing time? How do you think Qudus, Tim, and Malcolm ae going to respond to that? Maybe Qudus will move on to the NBA by then, but that still leaves Tim and Malcolm. You did yourself no favors with your future center teammates. If I am Malcolm, my new goal is to plant your arrogant ass on the bench so you have a great seat to watch me play. You are a talented player. We are glad to have you, but let’s try not alienate more than 50% of your teammates in your next interview. You will be part of a team. It is time to start thinking more about we than me. Why did you feel the need to write this? Even if you think you are right, it's not like this is a lesson taught to Ryan directly and it doesn't make you look knowledgeable about leadership to us random internet posters. He's an excited high school kid who just made his college decision that he hopes will get him to the NBA someday. He'll get plenty of lessons in leadership from experience and people who actually have been great leaders throughout their lives. I'm sure he's already received a lot of those from talking to and watching his dad. His teammates are going to be excited to have a player and teammate of his caliber joining them and appreciate the enthusiasm and work ethic. Unless they are far more thin-skinned than I'd expect for Division 1 athletes, they are not going to care that he got excited about possibly playing with a 5-star athlete at the time of his commitment, nearly a year before ever playing with them. In a 30 minute interview that he obviously conducted on his own with no handlers/coaching, he presented himself very well and said many of the things we'd hope to hear from not just players, but students at our alma mater. You may have felt a 30 second piece of that 30 minute interview didn't fit exactly what you wanted, but that seems quite nit-picky even if your evaluation was correct. How about just being excited we got a top 100 recruit who also happens to be a legacy of one of the great Hoyas (both as a player and a human) and seems to be a good kid? I like how he talked about the amount of work that he and the team will need to put in and the mentality they'd need to have. I also like that he seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder about where he's ranked and how the team & Big East are perceived -- that sort of chip has driven many athletes to keep working harder. I have seen many awful takes on hoyatalk in my time here. This is by far the worst one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 12:24:54 GMT -5
Ryan, If you read your thread, here is some constructive criticism. You are articulate, but you made some pretty basic leadership errors in this interview. You and Aminu would make a powerful tandem? I want Aminu too, but what are 11 other Hoya players going to think about that comment. It was disrespectful to your recruiting class and all of your teammates. It takes more than 2 players to accomplish the goals you laid out. And your recruiting classmates seem more than capable. You may have the highest ranking, but you have more than enough competition to be the most impactful player just from that group. You expect early playing time? How do you think Qudus, Tim, and Malcolm ae going to respond to that? Maybe Qudus will move on to the NBA by then, but that still leaves Tim and Malcolm. You did yourself no favors with your future center teammates. If I am Malcolm, my new goal is to plant your arrogant ass on the bench so you have a great seat to watch me play. You are a talented player. We are glad to have you, but let’s try not alienate more than 50% of your teammates in your next interview. You will be part of a team. It is time to start thinking more about we than me. You took this small thing this young man said in this interview out of context. Ryan was making a plea to Aminu to come and join him with the Hoyas. You should be happy and encourage that Ryan did that. No instead, you take the time to write out a tongue lashing to this fine young man. What the hell is wrong with you?!!! Ryan wasn't putting down any of his teammates and nor was he saying he was taking someone's spot. But what he is saying is he's going to work hard to help the team. Ryan has the confidence to say that he is going to make a big contribution to the team and he has enough belief in his skills that he will play and play a lot. He should feel that way! In spite of the fact that he believes that he should get the time, he is humble enough to know that he's got work to do and he is looking to his coaches and teammates to help him get there. So man get off this trip you're on. If he comes in and gets in the starting lineup, I am sure he would have obviously worked for it. I personally believe that he and Q can start at the same time. Yeah, it may take a year or two before he gets to be one of the top big men in the country. Or, he could come in right away and make the difference right away. Please don't go chastising these fine young men for having a belief in their talents and skills. They are supposed to believe it! |
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Oct 6, 2020 12:36:48 GMT -5
My only criticism of that interview is that the kid interviewing needs to slow the heck down and annunciate lol.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Oct 6, 2020 13:16:04 GMT -5
My only criticism of that interview is that the kid interviewing needs to slow the heck down and annunciate lol. You’re not kidding.His diction is atrocious. I thought he was speaking a foreign language. |
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Post by phniousgren on Oct 6, 2020 13:30:20 GMT -5
I was thinking the same, there were more than a few words the interviewer used that I was left scratching my head on but Ryan had no issue comprehending so clearly they are around the same age. I am however older and probably will need the transcripts to understand the questions. Ryan spoke eloquently and impressively...he did say 'ass' though, not sure how that will go over with mom & dad.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 6, 2020 14:19:26 GMT -5
My only criticism of that interview is that the kid interviewing needs to slow the heck down and annunciate lol. You’re not kidding.His diction is atrocious. I thought he was speaking a foreign language. Zack did fine. Give the kid a break. He's out there working it and making it in the basketball world like Bobby Bancroft instead of just sitting here on Hoyatalk and killing dreams. twitter.com/_schuz_?lang=enAnd it's alot more likely that he's reading this thread than Mutombo, as the program already knows to stay away from here. |
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Post by jwp91 on Oct 6, 2020 14:26:06 GMT -5
Ryan, If you read your thread, here is some constructive criticism. You are articulate, but you made some pretty basic leadership errors in this interview. You and Aminu would make a powerful tandem? I want Aminu too, but what are 11 other Hoya players going to think about that comment. It was disrespectful to your recruiting class and all of your teammates. It takes more than 2 players to accomplish the goals you laid out. And your recruiting classmates seem more than capable. You may have the highest ranking, but you have more than enough competition to be the most impactful player just from that group. You expect early playing time? How do you think Qudus, Tim, and Malcolm ae going to respond to that? Maybe Qudus will move on to the NBA by then, but that still leaves Tim and Malcolm. You did yourself no favors with your future center teammates. If I am Malcolm, my new goal is to plant your arrogant ass on the bench so you have a great seat to watch me play. You are a talented player. We are glad to have you, but let’s try not alienate more than 50% of your teammates in your next interview. You will be part of a team. It is time to start thinking more about we than me. You took this small thing this young man said in this interview out of context. Ryan was making a plea to Aminu to come and join him with the Hoyas. You should be happy and encourage that Ryan did that. No instead, you take the time to write out a tongue lashing to this fine young man. What the hell is wrong with you?!!! Ryan wasn't putting down any of his teammates and nor was he saying he was taking someone's spot. But what he is saying is he's going to work hard to help the team. Ryan has the confidence to say that he is going to make a big contribution to the team and he has enough belief in his skills that he will play and play a lot. He should feel that way! In spite of the fact that he believes that he should get the time, he is humble enough to know that he's got work to do and he is looking to his coaches and teammates to help him get there. So man get off this trip you're on. If he comes in and gets in the starting lineup, I am sure he would have obviously worked for it. I personally believe that he and Q can start at the same time. Yeah, it may take a year or two before he gets to be one of the top big men in the country. Or, he could come in right away and make the difference right away. Please don't go chastising these fine young men for having a belief in their talents and skills. They are supposed to believe it! Contrary to your claim, I did not take Ryan out of context. Since I am 51 and retired, I have plenty of time to explain what I observed in the interview. And maybe I know a thing or two about leadership. Ryan said a lot of great things, but he proverbially stepped in it a couple of times. It looks to me that his fundamental posture is still 'me' oriented. No matter how articulate and well-spoken someone is, any interview in which you potentially put off or alienate 6 of 12 teammates would be sub-optimal. 5:24 "Obviously, I wasn't going to commit to a college where I wasn't going to come in and play right away." None of us knows exactly what the coaches have told Ryan, but how many people think Patrick has promised playing time before Ryan ever arrives to campus? It is one thing to think this in your ahead, but to announce this publicly is fundamentally disrespectful to every other big on the roster. My speculation is that Patrick told him the creme will rise to the top. If you were a big on the roster, what would you do? Probably put him in his place when he shows up. There could be 2 or 3 junior centers there when he arrives. Instead he should be saying, "I really like the situation at Georgetown. The coaches, the team, the opportunity. It is a great fit for me. I can't wait." 14:11 "Who are some guys that you would like to bring with you now?" "Definitely, Aminu Mohammad. He is a great player, and I want him at Georgetown. Obviously, I am going to respect his privacy and his process and I'm going to let him made that decision for himself. If he is hearing this or seeing this, I definitely want you at Georgetown bro. We would make a great duo. And I think we could learn a lot from each other. And that we would be a dominant duo for sure......(Interviewer: You two on the court together, one two or three years whatever together, what could you accomplish?) definitely a Final Four run....that is my main goal going into the season." Again...more narrative from an orientation of 'me.' We have a player who hasn't arrived at Georgetown talking about how he and another player who hasn't even committed to Georgetown are going to lead us to a Final Four without regard to anyone else. If you are Jordan or Tyler or Dante or Jamari or Kobe, you notice. You many not say anything publicly, but you privately take note. Ideally, he should have said something more like... "Definitely, Aminu Mohammad. He is a great player, and I want him at Georgetown. Obviously, I am going to respect his privacy and his process and I'm going to let him made that decision for himself. If he is hearing this or seeing this, I definitely want you at Georgetown bro. I would love to play with you. You would compliment what Jordan, Tyler, Jalin and I bring. That would be a great class. With all the other great players on the roster, we could make some noise and go to a Final Four." Maybe my observations are not popular...but that doesn't necessarily make them wrong. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Oct 6, 2020 14:27:01 GMT -5
Thought it was a good interview overall. Was encouraged to hear Ryan explicitly call out being able to guard smaller players as something he's focusing on. Specifically, he mentioned foot speed as something he needs to work on. Simply staying near the rim to alter shots will be limiting for him long term, as the majority of 4s/5s at the next level now have some element of a perimeter game. Additionally, if he's had any conversations with Patrick or watched any film on us the last 3 years, he knows the hard hedge is coming regardless of where he plays on the floor.
Should he be successful at it, the idea of him playing the 4 becomes a little bit more plausible moving forward. You are who you can defend. Hope this part of his game really develops over the next 12 months.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 6, 2020 14:29:59 GMT -5
The last thing Ryan needs is some of the people on this board parenting him. I think his parents are doing just fine.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Oct 6, 2020 14:51:11 GMT -5
The last thing Ryan needs is some of the people on this board parenting him. I think his parents are doing just fine. Exactly. This nonsensical diversion on this thread is an example of small time fan thinking. If you follow big time recruiting (especially football), recruits talk all the time about "looking for a place where they could play right away", "turn the culture of the program around", "get the organization back on top/over the hump/to a new level", etc..,. This is typical recruit talk. It doesn't hardly alienate any existing players on the roster and is the mindset that has led them to be a top recruit in their sport. Very nice interview by the young man on the day of a great announcement for the program and of course we have to have a poster ruin it with a terrible take in the recruits thread. Fantastic! |
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Post by wolveribe on Oct 6, 2020 14:54:05 GMT -5
Imagine if he said "we have some great centers on the roster, I don't think I will play for a year or 2."
Who would want that guy on the team?
This is silly.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Oct 6, 2020 14:55:04 GMT -5
Could the “we’re not about the Instagram pictures or the captions”, etc. statements have been a shot at a recently departed Hoya?
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Post by mdtd on Oct 6, 2020 14:56:17 GMT -5
Without commenting on that weird post (I love when people defend themselves by saying something like "I know things, so you don't"), but I think Ryan can be a very good piece for this team. He's got a ton of potential and I think Pat can make it work very well. He has areas where he needs to improve, but I trust Pat and I think Ryan has a ton of skill that some people on here don't see (no, I don't intend this as a shot to anyone, I feel I need to make this clear because this thread has been odd, to say the least). I'm very happy to see that Ryan committed and am very excited to see what he can do in the Blue and Gray!
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Post by seaweed on Oct 6, 2020 15:21:26 GMT -5
Contrary to your claim, I did not take Ryan out of context. Since I am 51 and retired, I have plenty of time to explain what I observed in the interview. And maybe I know a thing or two about leadership. ... TLDNR You may know some things about leadership, but clearly not enough. |
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Post by jmanhoyafan on Oct 6, 2020 15:33:16 GMT -5
Ryan, If you read your thread, here is some constructive criticism. You are articulate, but you made some pretty basic leadership errors in this interview. You and Aminu would make a powerful tandem? I want Aminu too, but what are 11 other Hoya players going to think about that comment. It was disrespectful to your recruiting class and all of your teammates. It takes more than 2 players to accomplish the goals you laid out. And your recruiting classmates seem more than capable. You may have the highest ranking, but you have more than enough competition to be the most impactful player just from that group. You expect early playing time? How do you think Qudus, Tim, and Malcolm ae going to respond to that? Maybe Qudus will move on to the NBA by then, but that still leaves Tim and Malcolm. You did yourself no favors with your future center teammates. If I am Malcolm, my new goal is to plant your arrogant ass on the bench so you have a great seat to watch me play. You are a talented player. We are glad to have you, but let’s try not alienate more than 50% of your teammates in your next interview. You will be part of a team. It is time to start thinking more about we than me. |
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Post by jmanhoyafan on Oct 6, 2020 15:34:51 GMT -5
agreed. The original post just screams "hey everybody, look how smart I want you to think I am!" terrible take and unnecessarily harsh.
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