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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 7, 2020 17:19:50 GMT -5
This thread is amazing... A few months ago Mutumbo was a must have and a failure on Ewing's part if he doesn't reel him in... ...now we are debating the value he brings to the roster I mean unless posters who were a couple weeks ago saying Ryan is a cant miss prospect are now saying he won’t be any good I don’t really see what your point is. People have had differing opinions on him for quite some time now. |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Aug 7, 2020 18:05:43 GMT -5
Ryan is an important recruit. We pride ourselves in being a family program--watching his enthusiasm at the Villanova game was great to watch. He'd be a perfect legacy Hoya.
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Post by HoyaDr on Aug 7, 2020 18:56:58 GMT -5
This thread is amazing... A few months ago Mutumbo was a must have and a failure on Ewing's part if he doesn't reel him in... ...now we are debating the value he brings to the roster I mean unless posters who were a couple weeks ago saying Ryan is a cant miss prospect are now saying he won’t be any good I don’t really see what your point is. People have had differing opinions on him for quite some time now. I respectfully disagree. As aforementioned, a few months ago, the notion on this board was that if Ryan commits elsewhere then Ewing should be canned. Now we are questioning whether we should use a scholly on him because we have landed a couple good recruits and all of a sudden we have larger expectations. I understand we are going after 5 star guys but room will be made for both Ryan and a big fish if we land one. Ryan was considered a big fish for us until we got guys like Jordan and Jalin. This whole board needs to look at the bigger picture here. We are going to take a talented legacy recruit just like anybody else would, it will only help for future classes of recruits. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Aug 7, 2020 19:07:03 GMT -5
I mean unless posters who were a couple weeks ago saying Ryan is a cant miss prospect are now saying he won’t be any good I don’t really see what your point is. People have had differing opinions on him for quite some time now. I respectfully disagree. As aforementioned, a few months ago, the notion on this board was that if Ryan commits elsewhere then Ewing should be canned. Now we are questioning whether we should use a scholly on him because we have landed a couple good recruits and all of a sudden we have larger expectations. I understand we are going after 5 star guys but room will be made for both Ryan and a big fish if we land one. Ryan was considered a big fish for us until we got guys like Jordan and Jalin. This whole board needs to look at the bigger picture here. We are going to take a talented legacy recruit just like anybody else would, it will only help for future classes of recruits. “we”? HoyaTalk is not a monolith. It seems like some people are inflating the opinions of one or a few posters and attributing them to all of us. |
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 7, 2020 19:39:20 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. As aforementioned, a few months ago, the notion on this board was that if Ryan commits elsewhere then Ewing should be canned. Now we are questioning whether we should use a scholly on him because we have landed a couple good recruits and all of a sudden we have larger expectations. I understand we are going after 5 star guys but room will be made for both Ryan and a big fish if we land one. Ryan was considered a big fish for us until we got guys like Jordan and Jalin. This whole board needs to look at the bigger picture here. We are going to take a talented legacy recruit just like anybody else would, it will only help for future classes of recruits. “we”? HoyaTalk is not a monolith. It seems like some people are inflating the opinions of one or a few posters and attributing them to all of us. Exactly. A couple people are questioning how good he is. There is no “we” on a forum like this, which is why I said unless certain posters are flip flopping that comment serves no point. |
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HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on Aug 7, 2020 20:27:27 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. As aforementioned, a few months ago, the notion on this board was that if Ryan commits elsewhere then Ewing should be canned. Now we are questioning whether we should use a scholly on him because we have landed a couple good recruits and all of a sudden we have larger expectations. I understand we are going after 5 star guys but room will be made for both Ryan and a big fish if we land one. Ryan was considered a big fish for us until we got guys like Jordan and Jalin. This whole board needs to look at the bigger picture here. We are going to take a talented legacy recruit just like anybody else would, it will only help for future classes of recruits. “we”? HoyaTalk is not a monolith. It seems like some people are inflating the opinions of one or a few posters and attributing them to all of us. I don't have the time or energy to pick out the specific posts and/or board members that are questioning Ryan's worthiness. My point is that it's ridiculous that there is now negative opinions being shared when there were no such opinions earlier in the year. Sorry to generalize it to the entire board it wasn't my intention. Either way, it needs to stop, especially if future recruits or family of recruits actually read this forum. |
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 7, 2020 22:41:24 GMT -5
Occam’s Razor suggests "the simplest explanation is most likely the right one.”
Mutombo has yet to commit. There is one scholarship left absent another departure.
What additional info is he awaiting at this point? Official visits which aren’t going to happen?
At some point, we will have to acknowledge that he doesn't appear that interested in becoming a Hoya.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 7, 2020 23:15:45 GMT -5
It seems unrealistic in this "new normal" for college athletics to assume that there will be no transfers in any given year. Having lost 4 starters from last year's opening game roster--every one of whom had remaining eligibility--it seems prudent for the coaches to keep all recruiting channels open even at positions of apparent redundancy. Would like to see Mutombo come, but also do not think that there can be a hold on any scholarship for a legacy recruit who has not yet committed. Bingo! We will be taking in two more guys by the time the ‘21 season comes around. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 7, 2020 23:28:00 GMT -5
The "Tim has no feel for the game" has become a ridiculous talking point. Break it down how some of you have come to that conclusion rather than repeating the same line. A young player, especially a foreign one, develops feel largely through the familiarity which comes with minutes on the court. Tim hardly got any of that. Then to come to the conclusion that he's unlikely to ever improve? What metric are people using to come to that conclusion? And the exaggeration of all exaggerations that Ryan is 1000 times better at the same stage? Again...new toy syndrome. So eager to see what the new would-be recruit will do that you mentally toss out any possibility that a current player you are not enamored with will be better; just so you can justify in your head the minutes that current player won't get. Hope Ryan is a stud but in the meantime can someone point me to the footage that displays the superior feel for the game he has as well as the examples that showcase how he is a billion times better than some of the other guys on the roster? Thanks. I’m certainly not counting Tim out....but to suggest that he ahead of Ryan in the pecking order should Ryan commit is a bit ridiculous. I mean, you are talking about a guy who played only a dozen games...averaged just over 2 points and 2 boards and game and who shoots in the 50%’ range from the charity stripe. Tim better have upside ...but there will be playing time for Ryan and he will most certainly play more than Tim did as a freshman. Let’s just hope he commits and that this thread doesn’t scare him off as it has other recruits. Queue the “if this thread scares them off, they don’t deserve to be a Hoya” auto-responce. |
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Post by hoyas89 on Aug 8, 2020 0:32:05 GMT -5
Not only is this board unfortunately filled with posts that would certainly concern me as a recruit it is also filled with so much ridiculous speculation and demonstrative statements. Most likely from people who have absolutely no idea but feel compelled to express the absolute views. Yes I know everyone is entitled to an opinion. Unfortunately even if It only hurts the cause.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 8, 2020 10:36:45 GMT -5
Not only is this board unfortunately filled with posts that would certainly concern me as a recruit it is also filled with so much ridiculous speculation and demonstrative statements. Most likely from people who have absolutely no idea but feel compelled to express the absolute views. Yes I know everyone is entitled to an opinion. Unfortunately even if It only hurts the cause. The Social Media Generation. Whatever you think is the real and only truth, and needs no qualification. Anyone who cares to disagree - even with facts or logic to support their position - is a reprehensible moron. |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Aug 8, 2020 11:07:28 GMT -5
Not only is this board unfortunately filled with posts that would certainly concern me as a recruit it is also filled with so much ridiculous speculation and demonstrative statements. Most likely from people who have absolutely no idea but feel compelled to express the absolute views. Yes I know everyone is entitled to an opinion. Unfortunately even if It only hurts the cause. The Social Media Generation. Whatever you think is the real and only truth, and needs no qualification. Anyone who cares to disagree - even with facts or logic to support their position - is a reprehensible moron. I am making a guess but also what I believe is a solid assumption that we are not unique in terms of what gets posted here versus other "fan" sites for other schools, especially ones who have failed to have any type of consistent success over recent years. I am asking that honestly and not questioning at all what Frazier just stated I am more stating is what is posted here not similar/identical to what you see in other like forums or am I misguided? To be clear I am surprised anyone would question the addition of mutumbo based on roster makeup and recent success. This is not a push to bring a mediocre talent that has a famous bball alum father this is a consensus top 75 kid in the class that by all accounts continues to improve skill set and body type. I simply can't see how that would not be a welcomed addition at this point. Even position wise for the 2021 class we have a PG/CG, a SG/SF and a PF coming in already a Center is natural fit even if you replace the name Mutumbo with Smith. |
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Post by IDenj on Aug 8, 2020 12:21:13 GMT -5
If a Mutombo wants to be a Hoya then there will always be room.
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 8, 2020 13:38:39 GMT -5
To inject some optimism in this thread...
I am considerably more confident today that Ryan ends up a Hoya than I was a week ago. I’ve watched most of what I could find on YouTube from his high school/aau team and while there is a ways to go until he is the player he can be, I really like his upside. His mid range game is very impressive and with some work I think he can be a legitimate threat from deep. Coach Ewing helped guys like Derrickson, Govan, and Yurtseven a lot in developing the finer points of their big man game, and I bet you he would take Ryan to the next level as an athlete and player. If Ryan does end up a Hoya I am very confident he will be one of the best players in the conference by his junior year.
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Post by ewingitrust on Aug 8, 2020 18:50:32 GMT -5
Us getting Mutombo would be a nice coup for our 2021 class...I think the 2021 class was always gonna be the class where we would solidify ourselves as being a top-25 recruiting regular...thus far evidence has proven that that is currently happening.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 8, 2020 20:10:09 GMT -5
If a Mutombo wants to be a Hoya then there will always be room. This is my belief as well. I can understand why he'd want to be a Hoya and why he wouldn't. Regardless, as you stated, I believe there's always room for family. |
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Post by bigelephant on Aug 8, 2020 20:10:39 GMT -5
Georgetown has usually been a wonderful place to go to school and play basketball. Nothing has changed as far as I can see despite a couple of unfortunate years
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Post by bearsandbulls on Aug 9, 2020 7:56:52 GMT -5
Not only is this board unfortunately filled with posts that would certainly concern me as a recruit it is also filled with so much ridiculous speculation and demonstrative statements. Most likely from people who have absolutely no idea but feel compelled to express the absolute views. Yes I know everyone is entitled to an opinion. Unfortunately even if It only hurts the cause. The Social Media Generation. Whatever you think is the real and only truth, and needs no qualification. Anyone who cares to disagree - even with facts or logic to support their position - is a reprehensible moron. This. And add to the sentiment that phrasing a question with unreasonable doubt that is non existent is usually the strategy. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Aug 9, 2020 16:10:37 GMT -5
So with Warley now committed to FSU, do they still have room for Mutombo?
They have quite the class put together.
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Post by wponds on Aug 9, 2020 16:47:09 GMT -5
Georgia Tech's Rivals analyst put in a prediction for Georgetown. They're one of the other schools after him pretty hard, and he probably has some good Atlanta connections
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