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Post by SSHoya on Dec 4, 2023 11:28:42 GMT -5
Another loss for Abbott but it is all performative. On to SCOTUS. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ordered Texas on Friday to remove the floating barrier it deployed in the Rio Grande at Eagle Pass this summer, affirming a lower court’s ruling. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the court found that the river is navigable where the barrier was placed and that it is “an obstruction,” meaning that Texas needed to receive permission from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers — which regulates activities in waterways and wetlands under federal law — before deploying it. www.texastribune.org/2023/12/01/texas-border-floating-barrier-fifth-circuit-court-ruling-remove/#:~:text=The%20Fifth%20Circuit%20Court%20of,affirming%20a%20lower%20court's%20ruling.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 4, 2023 15:34:20 GMT -5
Another loss for Abbott but it is all perfotmative. On to SCOTUS. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ordered Texas on Friday to remove the floating barrier it deployed in the Rio Grande at Eagle Pass this summer, affirming a lower court’s ruling. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the court found that the river is navigable where the barrier was placed and that it is “an obstruction,” meaning that Texas needed to receive permission from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers — which regulates activities in waterways and wetlands under federal law — before deploying it. www.texastribune.org/2023/12/01/texas-border-floating-barrier-fifth-circuit-court-ruling-remove/#:~:text=The%20Fifth%20Circuit%20Court%20of,affirming%20a%20lower%20court's%20ruling. Monkey, meet football.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 9, 2023 8:16:33 GMT -5
Every day in courtrooms around this country, the children of American citizens are separated from their parents by operation of law. In Kamalaland, the children of non -citizens deserve more protection. No thanks. A federal judge in San Diego on Friday approved a settlement that prohibits U.S. officials from separating migrant families for crossing the U.S.-Mexico border illegally and offers aid to thousands of parents and children forced apart under the Trump administration. The settlement involves a 2018 lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union to block the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, which called for separating parents from their children to prosecute the adults for crossing the border illegally. Officials sent parents to detention centers and children to shelters, without a plan to reunite them, under the policy. Some were apart for months, some for years. “It does represent, in my view, one of the most shameful chapters in the history of our country,” U.S. District Judge Dana M. Sabraw said before he approved the settlement in a hearing that recalled the shock and disbelief surrounding the policy in 2018. www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2023/12/08/trump-migrants-family-separations-biden/
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 10, 2023 7:01:40 GMT -5
Some states spurn migrants. The Rust Belt wants them. In recent months, communities including Detroit; Dayton, Ohio; and Erie, Pa. — all places experiencing population loss — have been working with outside experts on how to transform city services to meet the needs of immigrants. One city, Topeka, Kan., is being even more aggressive, offering legal migrants up to $15,000 to move there. The different approaches are sparking a debate over just what it means to be tolerant and hospitable, and it has left some city leaders befuddled over why their communities are being overlooked by immigrants. Those questions are expected only to assume greater urgency next year when the presidential election converges on the Rust Belt, elevating tensions over immigration while also sparking discussions over economic problems such as persistent labor shortages. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/08/pittsburgh-immigration-new-york-chicago/
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Post by Elvado on Dec 10, 2023 9:00:48 GMT -5
Some states spurn migrants. The Rust Belt wants them. In recent months, communities including Detroit; Dayton, Ohio; and Erie, Pa. — all places experiencing population loss — have been working with outside experts on how to transform city services to meet the needs of immigrants. One city, Topeka, Kan., is being even more aggressive, offering legal migrants up to $15,000 to move there. The different approaches are sparking a debate over just what it means to be tolerant and hospitable, and it has left some city leaders befuddled over why their communities are being overlooked by immigrants. Those questions are expected only to assume greater urgency next year when the presidential election converges on the Rust Belt, elevating tensions over immigration while also sparking discussions over economic problems such as persistent labor shortages. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/08/pittsburgh-immigration-new-york-chicago/Legal Migrants. A concept lost on so many.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Dec 10, 2023 10:39:01 GMT -5
Some states spurn migrants. The Rust Belt wants them. In recent months, communities including Detroit; Dayton, Ohio; and Erie, Pa. — all places experiencing population loss — have been working with outside experts on how to transform city services to meet the needs of immigrants. One city, Topeka, Kan., is being even more aggressive, offering legal migrants up to $15,000 to move there. The different approaches are sparking a debate over just what it means to be tolerant and hospitable, and it has left some city leaders befuddled over why their communities are being overlooked by immigrants. Those questions are expected only to assume greater urgency next year when the presidential election converges on the Rust Belt, elevating tensions over immigration while also sparking discussions over economic problems such as persistent labor shortages. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/08/pittsburgh-immigration-new-york-chicago/Legal Migrants. A concept lost on so many. Amen-legal migrants in the system paying social security and other taxes, contributing as well as benefiting from the system
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Post by Massholya on Dec 10, 2023 12:24:11 GMT -5
Some states spurn migrants. The Rust Belt wants them. In recent months, communities including Detroit; Dayton, Ohio; and Erie, Pa. — all places experiencing population loss — have been working with outside experts on how to transform city services to meet the needs of immigrants. One city, Topeka, Kan., is being even more aggressive, offering legal migrants up to $15,000 to move there. The different approaches are sparking a debate over just what it means to be tolerant and hospitable, and it has left some city leaders befuddled over why their communities are being overlooked by immigrants. Those questions are expected only to assume greater urgency next year when the presidential election converges on the Rust Belt, elevating tensions over immigration while also sparking discussions over economic problems such as persistent labor shortages. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/08/pittsburgh-immigration-new-york-chicago/Legal Migrants. A concept lost on so many. Let’s find a way to make it happen. Current statistics put the numbers of legal immigrants admitted into the US at roughly the same level as in the early 1900’s. We are looking at a declining work force with a dropping birth rate. Republicans had the presidency, senate and house a few years back and NOTHING happened. AT ALL. People have got to be willing to compromise. The Republican philosophy of no compromise has hamstrung this country to levels of incompetency that has pretty much never been seen. They refuse to legislate and seem to think that moving to authoritarianism is the answer to their refusal to compromise. The fact that a large number of their base seems ok with defies the tradition of “freedom” which they love to shout about. The right keeps putting people in office that actually prevent progress on this issue from occurring. What can we do to fix that?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 10, 2023 13:08:46 GMT -5
Legal Migrants. A concept lost on so many. Let’s find a way to make it happen. Current statistics put the numbers of legal immigrants admitted into the US at roughly the same level as in the early 1900’s. We are looking at a declining work force with a dropping birth rate. Republicans had the presidency, senate and house a few years back and NOTHING happened. AT ALL. People have got to be willing to compromise. The Republican philosophy of no compromise has hamstrung this country to levels of incompetency that has pretty much never been seen. They refuse to legislate and seem to think that moving to authoritarianism is the answer to their refusal to compromise. The fact that a large number of their base seems ok with defies the tradition of “freedom” which they love to shout about. The right keeps putting people in office that actually prevent progress on this issue from occurring. What can we do to fix that? I agree with you 100%. Make legal immigration the policy goal and practice. The first way to do that is to halt, in its entirety, the circus that is our border policy today. Catch and release is for fish, not people.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 10, 2023 13:25:34 GMT -5
Let’s find a way to make it happen. Current statistics put the numbers of legal immigrants admitted into the US at roughly the same level as in the early 1900’s. We are looking at a declining work force with a dropping birth rate. Republicans had the presidency, senate and house a few years back and NOTHING happened. AT ALL. People have got to be willing to compromise. The Republican philosophy of no compromise has hamstrung this country to levels of incompetency that has pretty much never been seen. They refuse to legislate and seem to think that moving to authoritarianism is the answer to their refusal to compromise. The fact that a large number of their base seems ok with defies the tradition of “freedom” which they love to shout about. The right keeps putting people in office that actually prevent progress on this issue from occurring. What can we do to fix that? I agree with you 100%. Make legal immigration the policy goal and practice. The first way to do that is to halt, in its entirety, the circus that is our border policy today. Catch and release is for fish, not people. I’m curious, what would you do with the people?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 10, 2023 13:37:42 GMT -5
I agree with you 100%. Make legal immigration the policy goal and practice. The first way to do that is to halt, in its entirety, the circus that is our border policy today. Catch and release is for fish, not people. I’m curious, what would you do with the people? Those caught illegally crossing would move to the back of the line for legal immigration. Those with legitimate, colorable cases for asylum would be in a different category.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 10, 2023 13:48:26 GMT -5
I’m curious, what would you do with the people? Those caught illegally crossing would move to the back of the line for legal immigration. Where would those caught be moved to? Which side of the border?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 10, 2023 14:56:39 GMT -5
Those caught illegally crossing would move to the back of the line for legal immigration. Where would those caught be moved to? Which side of the border? Whence they came…
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 11, 2023 20:09:05 GMT -5
Where would those caught be moved to? Which side of the border? Whence they came… To me, this suggestion has some superficial appeal. We don't need to be a haven for illegal aliens. However, how do you decide who has a legitimate claim for asylum, how long will that take, and what do you do with the applicants (which will probably be most of them) while that decision is being made?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 12, 2023 5:25:48 GMT -5
To me, this suggestion has some superficial appeal. We don't need to be a haven for illegal aliens. However, how do you decide who has a legitimate claim for asylum, how long will that take, and what do you do with the applicants (which will probably be most of them) while that decision is being made? The devil is always in the details. Until the border is under some semblance of control, I would start from the rebuttable presumption against asylum rather than vice versa.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 12, 2023 6:14:41 GMT -5
To me, this suggestion has some superficial appeal. We don't need to be a haven for illegal aliens. However, how do you decide who has a legitimate claim for asylum, how long will that take, and what do you do with the applicants (which will probably be most of them) while that decision is being made? The devil is always in the details. Until the border is under some semblance of control, I would start from the rebuttable presumption against asylum rather than vice versa. I'm no immigration law expert but believe a rebuttable presumption already exists and the burden is on the asylum seeker to meet the "reasonable fear" standard. AFAIK, the asylum seeker who presents himself to an immigration officer and subsequently to an immigration judge is NOT presumed to be entitled to asylum - the reverse is true and unless the asylee can present credible evidence of "reasonable fear" is subject to deportation. That being said, the system is broken without enough resources for enforcing the law as it currently stands. My DOJ office back in 1986 was down the hall from the Office of Immigration Litigation when it had only 12 lawyers and when Congress passed the last comprehensive immigration bill the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (Simpson- Mazzoli) where Reagan granted amnesty to an estimated 3.5 million undocumented migrants Those days of the GOP are long gone. Under the final rule, noncitizens who cross the southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders without authorization after traveling through another country, and without having (1) availed themselves of an existing lawful process, (2) presented at a port of entry at a pre-scheduled time using the CBP One app, or (3) been denied asylum in a third country through which they traveled, are presumed ineligible for asylum unless they meet certain limited exceptions. Noncitizens can rebut this presumption based on exceptionally compelling circumstances detailed below. Noncitizens in expedited removal who are subject to and do not rebut the rebuttable presumption would be screened for whether there is a reasonable possibility they will face persecution or torture in the designated country of removal. The rebuttable presumption may apply to migrants of any nationality who enter the United States at the southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders without authorization after traveling through at least one other country, but would not apply to unaccompanied minors. The rebuttable presumption is also time-limited, to address the urgent need to respond to and prevent the influx of migrants expected following the lifting of the Title 42 public health Order in the absence of a such a rule. It would apply only to those who enter the United States during the 24 month period after the rule’s effective date. www.dhs.gov/news/2023/05/11/fact-sheet-circumvention-lawful-pathways-final-rule#:~:text=Consequences,removal%20will%20be%20promptly%20removed. Under the rule, certain individuals who enter the United States through its southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders are presumed to be ineligible for asylum, unless they can demonstrate an exception to the rule or rebut the presumption. Individuals are encouraged to use lawful, safe, and orderly pathways to come to the United States. www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/questions-and-answers-credible-fear-screeningLII Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (e-CFR) Title 8—Aliens and Nationality CHAPTER V—EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SUBCHAPTER B—IMMIGRATION REGULATIONS PART 1208—PROCEDURES FOR ASYLUM AND WITHHOLDING OF REMOVAL Subpart A—Asylum and Withholding of Removal § 1208.13 § 1208.13 Establishing asylum eligibility. (a) Burden of proof. The burden of proof is on the applicant for asylum to establish that he or she is a refugee as defined in section 101(a)(42) of the Act. The testimony of the applicant, if credible, may be sufficient to sustain the burden of proof without corroboration. The fact that the applicant previously established a credible fear of persecution for purposes of section 235(b)(1)(B) of the Act does not relieve the alien of the additional burden of establishing eligibility for asylum. www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/8/1208.13#:~:text=That%20presumption%20may%20be%20rebutted,the%20fear%20is%20well%2Dfounded.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 12, 2023 7:31:29 GMT -5
The devil is always in the details. Until the border is under some semblance of control, I would start from the rebuttable presumption against asylum rather than vice versa. I'm no immigration law expert but believe a rebuttable presumption already exists and the burden is on the asylum seeker to meet the "reasonable fear" standard. AFAIK, the asylum seeker who presents himself to an immigration officer and subsequently to an immigration judge is NOT presumed to be entitled to asylum - the reverse is true and unless the asylee can present credible evidence of "reasonable fear" is subject to deportation. That being said, the system is broken without enough resources for enforcing the law as it currently stands. My DOJ office back in 1986 was down the hall from the Office of Immigration Litigation when it had only 12 lawyers and when Congress passed the last comprehensive immigration bill the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (Simpson- Mazzoli) where Reagan granted amnesty to an estimated 3.5 million undocumented migrants Those days of the GOP are long gone. Under the final rule, noncitizens who cross the southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders without authorization after traveling through another country, and without having (1) availed themselves of an existing lawful process, (2) presented at a port of entry at a pre-scheduled time using the CBP One app, or (3) been denied asylum in a third country through which they traveled, are presumed ineligible for asylum unless they meet certain limited exceptions. Noncitizens can rebut this presumption based on exceptionally compelling circumstances detailed below. Noncitizens in expedited removal who are subject to and do not rebut the rebuttable presumption would be screened for whether there is a reasonable possibility they will face persecution or torture in the designated country of removal. The rebuttable presumption may apply to migrants of any nationality who enter the United States at the southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders without authorization after traveling through at least one other country, but would not apply to unaccompanied minors. The rebuttable presumption is also time-limited, to address the urgent need to respond to and prevent the influx of migrants expected following the lifting of the Title 42 public health Order in the absence of a such a rule. It would apply only to those who enter the United States during the 24 month period after the rule’s effective date. www.dhs.gov/news/2023/05/11/fact-sheet-circumvention-lawful-pathways-final-rule#:~:text=Consequences,removal%20will%20be%20promptly%20removed. Under the rule, certain individuals who enter the United States through its southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders are presumed to be ineligible for asylum, unless they can demonstrate an exception to the rule or rebut the presumption. Individuals are encouraged to use lawful, safe, and orderly pathways to come to the United States. www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/questions-and-answers-credible-fear-screeningLII Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (e-CFR) Title 8—Aliens and Nationality CHAPTER V—EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SUBCHAPTER B—IMMIGRATION REGULATIONS PART 1208—PROCEDURES FOR ASYLUM AND WITHHOLDING OF REMOVAL Subpart A—Asylum and Withholding of Removal § 1208.13 § 1208.13 Establishing asylum eligibility. (a) Burden of proof. The burden of proof is on the applicant for asylum to establish that he or she is a refugee as defined in section 101(a)(42) of the Act. The testimony of the applicant, if credible, may be sufficient to sustain the burden of proof without corroboration. The fact that the applicant previously established a credible fear of persecution for purposes of section 235(b)(1)(B) of the Act does not relieve the alien of the additional burden of establishing eligibility for asylum. www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/8/1208.13#:~:text=That%20presumption%20may%20be%20rebutted,the%20fear%20is%20well%2Dfounded. Thanks for that. As written, it would appear to answer the question. As enforced, not so much.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 12, 2023 8:34:46 GMT -5
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Post by Massholya on Dec 12, 2023 18:15:49 GMT -5
My only problems with the wall concept is that they don’t work and they are VERY expensive (especially for something that doesn’t work). Look at Gaza. You can build a tunnel under anything and you can’t build a wall high enough to keep people from climbing over it. I’d be happy to listen to all solutions that don’t involve senselessly throwing money at a problem just to say you “did something”. It is unfortunately a problem that can only be solved in cooperation with Mexico. If multitudes of US citizens decided tomorrow that they wanted to go to Canada they would never be able to stop us just as we cannot solve this problem without the help of our southern neighbors.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 14, 2024 20:48:58 GMT -5
The surge in immigration is a $7 trillion gift to the economy The CBO has now factored in a previously unexpected surge in immigration that began in 2022, which the agency assumes will persist for several years. These immigrants are more likely to work than their native-born counterparts, largely because immigrants skew younger. This infusion of working-age immigrants will more than offset the expected retirement of the aging, native-born population. This will in turn lead to better economic growth. As CBO Director Phill Swagel wrote in a note accompanying the forecasts: As a result of these immigration-driven revisions to the size of the labor force, “we estimate that, from 2023 to 2034, GDP will be greater by about $7 trillion and revenues will be greater by about $1 trillion than they would have been otherwise.” www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/13/immigration-economy-jobs-cbo-report/
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 27, 2024 7:07:41 GMT -5
The economy is roaring. Immigration is a key reason. Immigration has propelled the U.S. job market further than just about anyone expected, helping cement the country’s economic rebound from the pandemic as the most robust in the world. That momentum picked up aggressively over the past year. About 50 percent of the labor market’s extraordinary recent growth came from foreign-born workers between January 2023 and January 2024, according to an Economic Policy Institute analysis of federal data. And even before that, by the middle of 2022, the foreign-born labor force had grown so fast that it closed the labor force gap created by the pandemic, according to research from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/02/27/economy-immigration-border-biden/
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