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Post by CTHoya08 on Jul 24, 2018 6:38:16 GMT -5
Wait, you'd rather miss the tournament than be a 10-seed? WTF?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 7:21:19 GMT -5
Wait, you'd rather miss the tournament than be a 10-seed? WTF? That's a Skip Bayless-grade hot take right there.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 24, 2018 7:41:03 GMT -5
Wait, you'd rather miss the tournament than be a 10-seed? WTF? What I would rather do is play the schedule that we want to play- RPI be darned- AND make the NCAAs. What I am saying is that if we narrowly miss the NCAAs, I will not be saying, "Gee, I wish our schedule was tougher." I WILL be saying, "Man, I wish we beat ____ (in a meaningful/ likely Big East game)."
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Post by TC on Jul 24, 2018 8:00:38 GMT -5
Wait, you'd rather miss the tournament than be a 10-seed? WTF? What I would rather do is play the schedule that we want to play- RPI be darned- AND make the NCAAs. What I am saying is that if we narrowly miss the NCAAs, I will not be saying, "Gee, I wish our schedule was tougher." I WILL be saying, "Man, I wish we beat ____ (in a meaningful/ likely Big East game)." We want to play a schedule that gives us a good RPI and gets us in the tournament.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 24, 2018 8:09:42 GMT -5
And that is where I part ways. I want the staff to schedule who the heck they please AND still make the NCAAs with flying colors.
I do NOT believe in doing things the easy way!
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Post by One on Jul 24, 2018 8:38:30 GMT -5
And that is where I part ways. I want the staff to schedule who the heck they please AND still make the NCAAs with flying colors. I do NOT believe in doing things the easy way! Apparently you do....
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 24, 2018 8:40:02 GMT -5
And that is where I part ways. I want the staff to schedule who the heck they please AND still make the NCAAs with flying colors. I do NOT believe in doing things the easy way! I don't see the point of even fielding a program if you're not going to maximize your chances of achieving the ultimate goal (making the tournament and winning championships). You can't win a championship if you never get there. It's not 1984 anymore. We can wish all we want for those days to come back, but they're not. The game has evolved, and we have to evolve with it. I know that's a fundamental difference you have, though, so we'll never reach any sort of agreement on that (other than to disagree).
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 24, 2018 9:10:25 GMT -5
And that is where I part ways. I want the staff to schedule who the heck they please AND still make the NCAAs with flying colors. I do NOT believe in doing things the easy way! This!
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Post by seaweed on Jul 24, 2018 9:28:33 GMT -5
And that is where I part ways. I want the staff to schedule who the heck they please AND still make the NCAAs with flying colors. I do NOT believe in doing things the easy way! Apparently you do.... I disagree - if you schedule easy teams, you have to win a lot more games. If you schedule mediocre teams, you can limp in on the basis of RPI without beating everyone. It would appear that hoyaLove is talking about making whatever schedule you want and then just beating everyone. Sounds like a plan to me!!!
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Post by TC on Jul 24, 2018 10:00:09 GMT -5
And that is where I part ways. I want the staff to schedule who the heck they please AND still make the NCAAs with flying colors. I do NOT believe in doing things the easy way! You think it's still 1992 and that you still can do things the easy way by playing the MEAC and St. Leo's. You can't.
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Post by SDHoya on Jul 24, 2018 10:13:12 GMT -5
Ha, I keep clicking on this thread thinking that it will have updates on confirmed/rumored new additions to our 2018-19 schedule. Silly me.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 24, 2018 10:29:37 GMT -5
And that is where I part ways. I want the staff to schedule who the heck they please AND still make the NCAAs with flying colors. I do NOT believe in doing things the easy way! You think it's still 1992 and that you still can do things the easy way by playing the MEAC and St. Leo's. You can't. Just to be clear- I am not asking the staff to schedule easy schools. My only point is that they should schedule whomever they please, for their own reasons (few, if any, we are privy to), without having to be slave to the almighty RPI.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 24, 2018 10:31:30 GMT -5
Far from a perfect balance IMO... JT3's schedules were regularly lauded as some of the most challenging in college basketball. And where exactly did that leave the team over the last few years of his tenure? The key is to strike a balance among what your team can realistically accomplish, what is needed to let them learn but to still challenge them, preparing them for conference play, as well as building a tournament resume. JT3's results speak for themselves. We'll need a couple more years of Ewing before we can really gauge the effectiveness of his scheduling strategy. Not interested in reviving the JT III debate as I was pushing for his replacement in his last season,but it is not fair to judge his scheduling and his career by the end of a long and generally successful career. I may be alone in thinking that he always mixed in some cupcakes with challenges. Did not work out when team collapsed but I will always agree with the approach, particularly when you are recruiting quality players. Scheduling was the least of JTIII's problems. In fact, it was probably one of his greatest achievements. The Duke home/home series. Consistently in the Top 10-20 SOS at year end. Consistently earning very high NCAA seeds. Performing consistently well in a tough Big East regular season. The schedule should have prepared the team to achieve more in the NCAA tournaments. I don't hold the Davidson loss against JTIII, as painful and excruciating as it was, because that game 1) went down to the wire 2) was essentially a road game in North Carolina 3) was against a criminally under-seeded team 4) featured Steph Curry, who turned out to be the country's best player from the class of 2008, who got hot in the second half and dropped 30 5) Roy only played 16 minutes and fouled out. JTIII's in-game coaching and preparation against the likes of VCU, Ohio, FGCU is what ultimately did him in. But we really should have gone 3-0 in the those NCAA upset games. Going 0-3 was unforgivable. And we basically got smoked in each game. Inexcusable.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 24, 2018 11:21:09 GMT -5
Damn, the ‘83-‘84 season was 35 years ago. I hope we get good again to the point where we don’t need to discuss RPI.
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 24, 2018 12:10:15 GMT -5
You think it's still 1992 and that you still can do things the easy way by playing the MEAC and St. Leo's. You can't. Just to be clear- I am not asking the staff to schedule easy schools. My only point is that they should schedule whomever they please, for their own reasons (few, if any, we are privy to), without having to be slave to the almighty RPI. This reminds me of the Trump supporters who lost their jobs due to the tarrifs saying I know he's doing what's best for the country while being unemployed. I don't get that and I don't get your line of thinking where no matter what Pat does its fine by you. To each their own.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 24, 2018 13:14:08 GMT -5
Ha, I keep clicking on this thread thinking that it will have updates on confirmed/rumored new additions to our 2018-19 schedule. Silly me. Me too. Although it is not September yet so I don't expect to hear much from the GU side of the schedule.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 24, 2018 13:15:18 GMT -5
And that is where I part ways. I want the staff to schedule who the heck they please AND still make the NCAAs with flying colors. I do NOT believe in doing things the easy way! You think it's still 1992 and that you still can do things the easy way by playing the MEAC and St. Leo's. You can't. Well you can if you go 16-2 in the Big East! But that ain't happening. Yet.
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Post by TC on Jul 24, 2018 13:19:44 GMT -5
You think it's still 1992 and that you still can do things the easy way by playing the MEAC and St. Leo's. You can't. Well you can if you go 16-2 in the Big East! But that ain't happening. Yet. If you're good enough to go 16-2 in the Big East, you have no excuses for playing a weak schedule.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jul 24, 2018 13:51:54 GMT -5
Not interested in reviving the JT III debate as I was pushing for his replacement in his last season,but it is not fair to judge his scheduling and his career by the end of a long and generally successful career. I may be alone in thinking that he always mixed in some cupcakes with challenges. Did not work out when team collapsed but I will always agree with the approach, particularly when you are recruiting quality players. Scheduling was the least of JTIII's problems. In fact, it was probably one of his greatest achievements. The Duke home/home series. Consistently in the Top 10-20 SOS at year end. Consistently earning very high NCAA seeds. Performing consistently well in a tough Big East regular season. The schedule should have prepared the team to achieve more in the NCAA tournaments. I don't hold the Davidson loss against JTIII, as painful and excruciating as it was, because that game 1) went down to the wire 2) was essentially a road game in North Carolina 3) was against a criminally under-seeded team 4) featured Steph Curry, who turned out to be the country's best player from the class of 2008, who got hot in the second half and dropped 30 5) Roy only played 16 minutes and fouled out. JTIII's in-game coaching and preparation against the likes of VCU, Ohio, FGCU is what ultimately did him in. But we really should have gone 3-0 in the those NCAA upset games. Going 0-3 was unforgivable. And we basically got smoked in each game. Inexcusable. I'm not one to say that JT3's scheduling was directly responsible for his team's lack of tournament success (post 2007), but it is true that playing hard non-conference schedules did not produce the payoff that fans had hoped for. Given that, if Ewing wants to take a somewhat different approach then more power to him. Hopefully he will find the right balance required to help insure the success of the teams he puts on the court.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 24, 2018 15:32:45 GMT -5
I'm not one to say that JT3's scheduling was directly responsible for his team's lack of tournament success (post 2007), but it is true that playing hard non-conference schedules did not produce the payoff that fans had hoped for. Given that, if Ewing wants to take a somewhat different approach then more power to him. Hopefully he will find the right balance required to help insure the success of the teams he puts on the court. Yes, and no. The two years Georgetown had the most success under JT3 (2006 and 2007), Georgetown had really high strength of schedule. Given that success, it's not surprising that JT3 continued to schedule that way. In any case, this is a clear example of causation and correlation being different. Just because Georgetown struggled in the NCAA tournament in 2010, 2011, 2013, etc. doesn't mean that it was because of the schedule. In fact, it's not logical to say (a) we would have a tough schedule, (b) we would beat almost all the teams on that tough schedule, and (c) that caused us to lose in March. The other issue is seeding. Sure, if we go 16-2, we are making the NCAA tournament (and not because RPI doesn't matter, but rather going 16-2 in the Big East will make up for RPI hits of playing bad teams), but if you had a scenario where we had the 2017-2018 OOC schedule, and we went 16-2, there would be lots of arguments against our having a 1 seed. And they'd be justified. The only thing that will make this part of the thread complete is guru chiming in and telling me I'm a broken record. Have at it buddy.
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