the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 3, 2019 20:54:02 GMT -5
Unfortunate to see him go.
He is/was an underclassmen. A young guy. He wasn't going to be a leader at this point in his career. He is still learning. We don't know how this season would have unfolded had he stayed.
He had heart. He wasn't afraid to put the game on his shoulders, sometimes to a fault.
Wish him the best.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 3, 2019 20:55:28 GMT -5
I just got an ESPN alert on my phone and it was a video of an ESPN reporter talking about how Akinjo is not linked to any of the allegations and is moving on voluntarily. He wants a different environment and he wants to be a more "go to guy." I am laughing because your stats show how well he does as the "go to guy". He was terrible this season. How much more "go to" does he need to be? As you pointed out he had the most FGA per game. Did he not like throwing it down low to Yurt7 for an easy assist? What BS. We can agree that the report is likely BS--or is an 18 year old's clumsy attempt to get out from under a controversy. I don't buy it at face value, but, if true, this may be the unfortunate result of dealing with four star players these days. I'll ask again--why did he come back this year for seven games? Keep in mind that Akinjo is very young for his grade. The year of sitting may be a very good decision for him in the long run.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 3, 2019 21:01:31 GMT -5
He was the 2nd worst player on the team ahead of only Blair according to Hoopslens’ points above the mean metric.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 3, 2019 21:18:14 GMT -5
EtomicB & Hoyas4Ever: The rules say you have five calendar years to play four "seasons of competition." A "season of competition" is used, under the rules "when you spend one second in competition on the field, court, gym or track." It is an academic year, not a calendar year. This rule is independent of the rule stating you have five calendar years (not seasons of competition) in which to compete. Thus, even if you play 1 minute in a season, you use a "season of competition." EtomicB your list of Akoy's play is exactly the same as mine. 2013-2014 is "Season of Competition" 1, 2014-2015 was 2, 2016-2017 was 3, and 2017-2018 was 4. Thus, he had no "seasons of competition" (commonly called eligibility in articles) left and had to get a waiver to play for Louisville again. For Agau, 2015-2016 was not a "season of competition" because he did not play. As I noted in another post, if you're transferring to a Division I school, "you will be charged a season of competition for each academic year in which you competed." Agau did not compete in 2015-2016, so it did not count as a "season of competition." Had his ACL been fine, and he played, it would have counted, but it did not. Agau is an odd situation because he needed two waivers - both for "season of competition" and for the 6th year. Graduate transfers are guys who graduate in 3 years (or after using 3 seasons of competition, which happens often in injury situations) and then use their 4th year to finish their time. As I said, if you are right, there should be guys who played 5 "seasons of competition" without a waiver, and there aren't any because it is against the rules. I personally don't have the energy to explain the rule again. I'll just say this your getting caught up in the verbiage of the rule and lost in the application. The word waiver is where your getting lost. I leave Etomic (if he chooses) to go back and forth with you...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 3, 2019 21:31:06 GMT -5
It seems strange to me but admittedly I'm not all that verse on the transfer eligibility rules... Does this mean we may have another situation where Gtown will be a part of the decision making if Akinjo applies for a waiver? I can't remembrer with Josh Smith if he got his waiver after starting a season at UCLA and then transferring to Georgetown. He had health issues (weight that caused him to not play much at UCLA). Not sure Akinjo is going to have a leg to stand on with hardship as he was starting, playing, but coach calling him out for being selfish. That is going to be tough to get. Joshua played against Georgetown in November of 2012. Two months later he was sitting on Georgetown's bench as a transfer and playing for the Hoyas in November 2013.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 3, 2019 21:37:57 GMT -5
I remember the game where James ignored the coaches instructions. Basically, waived him off. That sequence was a massive red flag. Pops wouldn’t have taken kindly to that back in the day.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2019 21:45:28 GMT -5
I know people dont want to talk about this but the issues Akinjo had with McClung are very easy to see. Akinjo was a top-100 player and proved himself in top-flight competition in California. He got off to a good start as a freshman. He played decent. He was BE Freshman of the Year. Basketball people, fans, coaches analysts knew watching Akinjo for 10 minutes and McClung who was the more talented player. But go on youtube. He had no video highlights. Meanwhile, McClung would have videos 30k-70k views, because he scored 14 points. Meanwhile, James had 17 points and 7 assist. Okay, we know why we get that. But then his fans who I highly question how much basketball they watch, how many D-1 players they been around, or ever actually saw a NBA player pre-college fill the online sphere with "going to the league", he is better than his teammate, the PG he is playing with is stopping his ability to make the NBA." I literally said McClung is not a NBA player, he will be a 3-4 year starter who will score 1400-1800 points. And have a nice career. But he will be overseas, and nothing is wrong with that. So I was off on my guess he will be a 4 year starter and he could leave GU as 2000 point scorer. That's what I felt he was coming out of HS. His fans went after me like I said he shouldn't make JV basketball. Their demands are he is a NBA draft pick in 3 years even if its 2nd round. You explain that Akinjo ain't going to the league, so McClung is a super longshot.they begin saying if Akinjo wasn't the PG, McClung would be so he could become better. It was in complete disregard to the larger needs of the Georgetown Team. That's where the family is coming from. I've seen a situation like this very up close on the HS level. So it's not surprising it happened. It's the nature of the society we live in. Matt Boling was all over the internet/news for running a national HS record in the 100M. Yea it was wind-aided. But guys like Demps, Schawrtz, Brommel were barely mentioned when they accomplished their feats, in legal conditions mind you. If I was in Akinjo's inner circle I would tell him to ignore that stuff the people in the know, know his talent, and you can't get caught up with "fans". Shawn Kemp was a walking highlight but basketball people valued Dennis Rodman, Kevin Willis, Detelfe Shremphf way more. I hear you. That is exactly what consumed Akinjo. And none of it is Mac's fault, he can't help what he was born with. I mentioned this before but during the freshman Kenner at one of the first games James was ballin and Mac was putting on a show. Afterwards there were a couple parents and kids waiting outside the Thompson Center. Akinjo came out first and nobody noticed him. Now to be fair Akinjo was in street clothes and is pretty short and so could be mistaken for a team manager or student and nobody had yet really seen Akinjo up close or on TV yet since it was before his season TV debut. MacClung then came out and the parents and kids went to go get selfies and autographs with Mac. You could see that Akinjo was deeply hurt that nobody went to congratulate him or notice him. Now Mac's a role model much in the same way that Jeremey Lin and Lamar Jackson are role models. And role models are very important. So they are going to be popular because they show that any thing can be achievable. And also dunks are flashy and exciting so that's something Mac has that Akinjo will never have. Unfortunately, I think that Matt Boling like unfairness (as you alluded to) consumed Akinjo into this unhealthy rivalry. Instead of embracing it, and working together, because despite what people say Mac is talented, especially at the college level and has a incredible work ethic and drive to improve his game just like Akinjo does, James let it consume him, even if he won't admit it. Will either of them make the Association? That's tough for 99% of college basketball players but I think they both have a chance because they have heart and drive. They could have both built something special together but I hope both of them keep their eyes on the prize and make it.
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Post by bigsaxa on Dec 3, 2019 21:52:24 GMT -5
James and Mac not so secretly hated each other on and off the court. James really didn’t like anything about Mac and it drove a big wedge in the team atmosphere. The two of them actually got into a decent scrap last year in practice and I heard firsthand James got beat down until Jesse Govan pulled Mac off him. Apparently Patrick thought it was funny and the team razzed James about it pretty hard. I have also heard the new guys on the team haven’t really meshed well with yurt and the new system, so the entire team has a personality disconnect off the court, which I am sure led to why James doesn’t feel at home and is willing to sacrifice a year of playing just to move on.
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Post by robbyt on Dec 3, 2019 22:01:44 GMT -5
James and Mac not so secretly hated each other on and off the court. James really didn’t like anything about Mac and it drove a big wedge in the team atmosphere. The two of them actually got into a decent scrap last year in practice and I heard firsthand James got beat down until Jesse Govan pulled Mac off him. Apparently Patrick thought it was funny and the team razzed James about it pretty hard. I have also heard the new guys on the team haven’t really meshed well with yurt and the new system, so the entire team has a personality disconnect off the court, which I am sure led to why James doesn’t feel at home and is willing to sacrifice a year of playing just to move on. Hey if that's true that we actually have a new system and Akinjo just doesn't want to play in it, then it's better he split. I have not been able to figure out if we have a system at all, I hope we do. It did seem like there was some system working against Texas.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 3, 2019 22:03:58 GMT -5
Good riddance.
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Post by HoyaDr on Dec 3, 2019 22:09:12 GMT -5
James and Mac not so secretly hated each other on and off the court. James really didn’t like anything about Mac and it drove a big wedge in the team atmosphere. The two of them actually got into a decent scrap last year in practice and I heard firsthand James got beat down until Jesse Govan pulled Mac off him. Apparently Patrick thought it was funny and the team razzed James about it pretty hard. I have also heard the new guys on the team haven’t really meshed well with yurt and the new system, so the entire team has a personality disconnect off the court, which I am sure led to why James doesn’t feel at home and is willing to sacrifice a year of playing just to move on. So James is weak mentally and physically. Bye.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 3, 2019 22:16:58 GMT -5
The more the aunt and uncle declare his innocence, the more I believe they are getting ahead of something that may surface. Let’s wait and see. Well, think about it: if your kid was transferring in the midst of all this and legitimately had done nothing wrong, you'd also declare his innocence. I don't think this is dispositive on its own. With that said, I have a REALLY hard time believing he simply up and left having done nothing wrong. This is mere speculation based on very flimsy rumors that there's no need to repeat and that many of us have heard. But I have to believe there's more to this and not in a good way. Just doesn't add up otherwise.
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Post by theboardkatt on Dec 3, 2019 22:19:29 GMT -5
James and Mac not so secretly hated each other on and off the court. James really didn’t like anything about Mac and it drove a big wedge in the team atmosphere. The two of them actually got into a decent scrap last year in practice and I heard firsthand James got beat down until Jesse Govan pulled Mac off him. Apparently Patrick thought it was funny and the team razzed James about it pretty hard. I have also heard the new guys on the team haven’t really meshed well with yurt and the new system, so the entire team has a personality disconnect off the court, which I am sure led to why James doesn’t feel at home and is willing to sacrifice a year of playing just to move on. Interesting to hear these insights. I do remember seeing a video of janes going 1v1 w akinjo and getting blocked almost every time from a practice at some point last year.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 3, 2019 22:23:31 GMT -5
James and Mac not so secretly hated each other on and off the court. James really didn’t like anything about Mac and it drove a big wedge in the team atmosphere. The two of them actually got into a decent scrap last year in practice and I heard firsthand James got beat down until Jesse Govan pulled Mac off him. Apparently Patrick thought it was funny and the team razzed James about it pretty hard. I have also heard the new guys on the team haven’t really meshed well with yurt and the new system, so the entire team has a personality disconnect off the court, which I am sure led to why James doesn’t feel at home and is willing to sacrifice a year of playing just to move on. New guys? Of the new players, only Wahab & Allen were getting consistent minutes, why would Gardner & Alexander have an issue with Y7? Also what new system are you referring to?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 3, 2019 22:24:24 GMT -5
I just got an ESPN alert on my phone and it was a video of an ESPN reporter talking about how Akinjo is not linked to any of the allegations and is moving on voluntarily. He wants a different environment and he wants to be a more "go to guy." I am laughing because your stats show how well he does as the "go to guy". He was terrible this season. How much more "go to" does he need to be? As you pointed out he had the most FGA per game. Did he not like throwing it down low to Yurt7 for an easy assist? What BS. We can agree that the report is likely BS--or is an 18 year old's clumsy attempt to get out from under a controversy. I don't buy it at face value, but, if true, this may be the unfortunate result of dealing with four star players these days. I'll ask again--why did he come back this year for seven games? I take it completely at face value. He wanted free reign to drive and create. Throwing it down to a big didn't permit that both in the sense of the ball not being in his hands and clogging up the lane. Combine that with sharing roles (qualitatively even if not in minutes or shot attempts) with Mac and you can see (though not agree with) his thinking.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Dec 3, 2019 22:24:42 GMT -5
James and Mac not so secretly hated each other on and off the court. James really didn’t like anything about Mac and it drove a big wedge in the team atmosphere. The two of them actually got into a decent scrap last year in practice and I heard firsthand James got beat down until Jesse Govan pulled Mac off him. Apparently Patrick thought it was funny and the team razzed James about it pretty hard. I have also heard the new guys on the team haven’t really meshed well with yurt and the new system, so the entire team has a personality disconnect off the court, which I am sure led to why James doesn’t feel at home and is willing to sacrifice a year of playing just to move on. man, that's some pretty serious stuff to be throwing out there unsupported (unless you're some kind of known insider on this board, in which case mea culpa) having said that, I would unfortunately not be surprised if it was true, and that is a damn shame.
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Post by the_way on Dec 3, 2019 22:32:43 GMT -5
This is just crazy with this rumor stuff. lol.
In the short-term, it is a big loss.
Akinjo wasn't perfect, but he was the Big East Rookie of the year for a reason.
If he wasn't happy and needed a change of scenery, then his departure is best for all involved in the long-term.
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Post by bigsaxa on Dec 3, 2019 22:41:09 GMT -5
I’m not going to start any rumor mill because it’s over, but I do know some people directly involved with the team. James never really felt at home, and this year it was progressively worse. They new system, drama, etc.... was just not his cup of tea.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 3, 2019 22:42:07 GMT -5
I’m not going to start any rumor mill because it’s over, but I do know some people directly involved with the team. James never really felt at home, and this year it was progressively worse. They new system, drama, etc.... was just not his cup of tea. What new system?
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Post by sleepy on Dec 3, 2019 22:46:03 GMT -5
The more the aunt and uncle declare his innocence, the more I believe they are getting ahead of something that may surface. Let’s wait and see. Well, think about it: if your kid was transferring in the midst of all this and legitimately had done nothing wrong, you'd also declare his innocence. I don't think this is dispositive on its own. With that said, I have a REALLY hard time believing he simply up and left having done nothing wrong. This is mere speculation based on very flimsy rumors that there's no need to repeat and that many of us have heard. But I have to believe there's more to this and not in a good way. Just doesn't add up otherwise. It’s more just the decision to put your name in the transfer portal at the same time as someone embroiled in serious legal issues. Just a very dumb move for someone who isn’t at all associated with any of the foul play. A very very dumb move.
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