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Post by cindad on Dec 3, 2019 18:07:50 GMT -5
I know people dont want to talk about this but the issues Akinjo had with McClung are very easy to see.
Akinjo was a top-100 player and proved himself in top-flight competition in California. He got off to a good start as a freshman. He played decent. He was BE Freshman of the Year. Basketball people, fans, coaches analysts knew watching Akinjo for 10 minutes and McClung who was the more talented player.
But go on youtube. He had no video highlights. Meanwhile, McClung would have videos 30k-70k views, because he scored 14 points. Meanwhile, James had 17 points and 7 assist. Okay, we know why we get that. But then his fans who I highly question how much basketball they watch, how many D-1 players they been around, or ever actually saw a NBA player pre-college fill the online sphere with "going to the league", he is better than his teammate, the PG he is playing with is stopping his ability to make the NBA."
I literally said McClung is not a NBA player, he will be a 3-4 year starter who will score 1400-1800 points. And have a nice career. But he will be overseas, and nothing is wrong with that. So I was off on my guess he will be a 4 year starter and he could leave GU as 2000 point scorer. That's what I felt he was coming out of HS.
His fans went after me like I said he shouldn't make JV basketball. Their demands are he is a NBA draft pick in 3 years even if its 2nd round.
You explain that Akinjo ain't going to the league, so McClung is a super longshot.they begin saying if Akinjo wasn't the PG, McClung would be so he could become better. It was in complete disregard to the larger needs of the Georgetown Team.
That's where the family is coming from. I've seen a situation like this very up close on the HS level. So it's not surprising it happened. It's the nature of the society we live in.
Matt Boling was all over the internet/news for running a national HS record in the 100M. Yea it was wind-aided. But guys like Demps, Schawrtz, Brommel were barely mentioned when they accomplished their feats, in legal conditions mind you.
If I was in Akinjo's inner circle I would tell him to ignore that stuff the people in the know, know his talent, and you can't get caught up with "fans". Shawn Kemp was a walking highlight but basketball people valued Dennis Rodman, Kevin Willis, Detelfe Shremphf way more.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 3, 2019 18:08:30 GMT -5
I was pretty high on James during parts of his freshman year. I felt like by the time he was a senior, he would be a hell of a player. He was our 2nd best/ most talented player besides Josh.
But truth is, our backcourt was a lot of flash and no substance. Inefficient scoring and turnovers are not recipes for success. You can blame youth. But it's also not fair to assume growth. It doesn't always happen the way fans envision.
This is a big loss because now we lack an answer at PG next year. Need a grad transfer.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 3, 2019 18:12:26 GMT -5
Let’s be brutally honest, James is not a great shooter, passer or finisher at the college level. He has a lot of swagger. In the end he is a quitter and a bad teammate. Next. Wow, he proved that he was the best we had last year! I am surprised he quit? Prior to this move, how was he a bad teammate?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 3, 2019 18:14:37 GMT -5
If my description is wrong, I'll own it, but I am pretty sure you are incorrect. You're focusing on playing time. Yes, playing time stops when you transfer, but you only get 4 academic years of eligibility in which to use those 8 semesters. Period. So if you play in even one game in one academic year, that's one year done. Akoy Agau proves my point: Year 1: Louisville 2014 Year 2: Louisville 2015 (only played 3 games) 2015-2016 Sat out full year for transfer Year 3: Georgetown 2017 Year 4: SMU Then, Akoy Agau got a *waiver* and that's how he played a 5th year: Bottom line: without a waiver, you only have 4 years of eligibility. Try to find a basketball player who played in 5 separate basketball academic year seasons without a waiver. You won't find any because it would be against the rules. In case anybody is curious, this is directly from an NCAA publication, confirming what I wrote above: You are allowed to compete for up to four seasons in each sport for two-year or four-year schools. You do not gain back any seasons of competition by transferring to a new school. If you are transferring to a Division I or Division II school, you will be charged a season of competition for each academic year in which you competed . . . The amount of competition or practice does not matter – you are charged a season of eligibility for even a minute of competition or, in Division III, a minute of practice on or after the date of the first competition.Not sure you're right 2003... Akoy played the 2013-14 season with L'ville 2014-15 L'ville -3 games 2015-16 - Transfer year 2016-17 - Gtown 2017-18 - SMU 2018-19 -L'ville That's 6 seasons of competition for Akoy, below are his game logs and profile... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/akoy-agau-1.htmlWhen Akinjo gets to his new school next semester he'll be considered to be an RS Sophomore...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 3, 2019 18:28:25 GMT -5
EtomicB & Hoyas4Ever: The rules say you have five calendar years to play four "seasons of competition." A "season of competition" is used, under the rules "when you spend one second in competition on the field, court, gym or track." It is an academic year, not a calendar year. This rule is independent of the rule stating you have five calendar years (not seasons of competition) in which to compete. Thus, even if you play 1 minute in a season, you use a "season of competition." EtomicB your list of Akoy's play is exactly the same as mine. 2013-2014 is "Season of Competition" 1, 2014-2015 was 2, 2016-2017 was 3, and 2017-2018 was 4. Thus, he had no "seasons of competition" (commonly called eligibility in articles) left and had to get a waiver to play for Louisville again. For Agau, 2015-2016 was not a "season of competition" because he did not play. As I noted in another post, if you're transferring to a Division I school, "you will be charged a season of competition for each academic year in which you competed." Agau did not compete in 2015-2016, so it did not count as a "season of competition." Had his ACL been fine, and he played, it would have counted, but it did not. Agau is an odd situation because he needed two waivers - both for "season of competition" and for the 6th year. Graduate transfers are guys who graduate in 3 years (or after using 3 seasons of competition, which happens often in injury situations) and then use their 4th year to finish their time. As I said, if you are right, there should be guys who played 5 "seasons of competition" without a waiver, and there aren't any because it is against the rules.
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Post by mapei on Dec 3, 2019 18:57:31 GMT -5
You know, to be honest I don't care how much eligibility James has left. He doesn't want to be here, then he's gone as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by HoyaDr on Dec 3, 2019 19:00:16 GMT -5
Lock the thread!
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 3, 2019 19:04:03 GMT -5
A few points to consider about James this year with us -- all of which point to him not being the same caliber of player he was last year and yet getting the longest leash on the team.
Akinjo played the most minutes on the team, took the most FGs & the most 3Ps, and had the worst shooting % and 3P %. 30.7 minutes/game – 8.7 more than Mac and 5 more than anyone else. 12.7 FGA/game – 3 more than Mac, 2 more than Yurt, and 7 more than anyone else. 33.7% FG% — I don’t even know what to say about this. That’s the worst shooting % I’ve ever heard of a player having and yet he chucked so many more shots than anyone else. 4.7 3PA and 24.2% 3P% — Also stunningly bad for taking that many shots.
I don’t get where the idea that he was picked on came from or that Mac was preferred. He got a much longer leash and somehow shot even worse than Mac. That is also while he just blatantly ignored Mac and others on offense, repeatedly opting to take it 1:1 instead, and he had the 2nd highest Turnover rate after Yurtseven (how a Center leads us in TOs, I have no idea).
I liked Akinjo and thought he could be a good PG for us, but he was not good this year and in many stretches was actively destructive to us.
But Pat still gave him the keys to the team. If it was publicity he was worried about, then how do you explain that Pat brought him to NYC for Big East Media day? I understand things happen behind closed doors that are different than what we see, but I don’t get the perception from the outside. No coach is going to be happy with that performance or attitude he showed on the court ignoring the coach at times.
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Post by s4hoyas on Dec 3, 2019 19:20:29 GMT -5
I wish he had stayed...and grown in his role...but he struck me as very stubborn, I think to his long term detriment...Simply put, I think he wanted to do things his way, period...and any coaching to the contrary would be largely ignored...
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 3, 2019 19:24:51 GMT -5
EtomicB & Hoyas4Ever: The rules say you have five calendar years to play four "seasons of competition." A "season of competition" is used, under the rules "when you spend one second in competition on the field, court, gym or track." It is an academic year, not a calendar year. This rule is independent of the rule stating you have five calendar years (not seasons of competition) in which to compete. Thus, even if you play 1 minute in a season, you use a "season of competition." EtomicB your list of Akoy's play is exactly the same as mine. 2013-2014 is "Season of Competition" 1, 2014-2015 was 2, 2016-2017 was 3, and 2017-2018 was 4. Thus, he had no "seasons of competition" (commonly called eligibility in articles) left and had to get a waiver to play for Louisville again. For Agau, 2015-2016 was not a "season of competition" because he did not play. As I noted in another post, if you're transferring to a Division I school, "you will be charged a season of competition for each academic year in which you competed." Agau did not compete in 2015-2016, so it did not count as a "season of competition." Had his ACL been fine, and he played, it would have counted, but it did not. Agau is an odd situation because he needed two waivers - both for "season of competition" and for the 6th year. Graduate transfers are guys who graduate in 3 years (or after using 3 seasons of competition, which happens often in injury situations) and then use their 4th year to finish their time. As I said, if you are right, there should be guys who played 5 "seasons of competition" without a waiver, and there aren't any because it is against the rules. Here's a paragraph from the NCAA rules you posted above... I f you compete at a Division I school, you have five calendar years to play four seasons of competition. Your five-year clock starts when you enroll as a full-time student at any two-year or four-year school. Your clock continues to tick down, even if you spend an academic year of residence as a result of transferring, if you redshirt, if you do not attend school or even if you enroll part time during your college career.If Akinjo follows this path that will be his "four seasons" in 5 years right? What am I missing? 2018-19 (frosh), part of the 2019-20 (sophomore), part of the 20-21(RS soph) 2021-22(RS Jr) and 2022-23(RS Sr) In total he will have played 8 semesters of college ball just like everyone gets...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 19:32:17 GMT -5
EtomicB & Hoyas4Ever: The rules say you have five calendar years to play four "seasons of competition." A "season of competition" is used, under the rules "when you spend one second in competition on the field, court, gym or track." It is an academic year, not a calendar year. This rule is independent of the rule stating you have five calendar years (not seasons of competition) in which to compete. Thus, even if you play 1 minute in a season, you use a "season of competition." EtomicB your list of Akoy's play is exactly the same as mine. 2013-2014 is "Season of Competition" 1, 2014-2015 was 2, 2016-2017 was 3, and 2017-2018 was 4. Thus, he had no "seasons of competition" (commonly called eligibility in articles) left and had to get a waiver to play for Louisville again. For Agau, 2015-2016 was not a "season of competition" because he did not play. As I noted in another post, if you're transferring to a Division I school, "you will be charged a season of competition for each academic year in which you competed." Agau did not compete in 2015-2016, so it did not count as a "season of competition." Had his ACL been fine, and he played, it would have counted, but it did not. Agau is an odd situation because he needed two waivers - both for "season of competition" and for the 6th year. Graduate transfers are guys who graduate in 3 years (or after using 3 seasons of competition, which happens often in injury situations) and then use their 4th year to finish their time. As I said, if you are right, there should be guys who played 5 "seasons of competition" without a waiver, and there aren't any because it is against the rules. Here's a paragraph from the NCAA rules you posted above... I f you compete at a Division I school, you have five calendar years to play four seasons of competition. Your five-year clock starts when you enroll as a full-time student at any two-year or four-year school. Your clock continues to tick down, even if you spend an academic year of residence as a result of transferring, if you redshirt, if you do not attend school or even if you enroll part time during your college career.If Akinjo follows this path that will be his "four seasons" in 5 years right? What am I missing? 2018-19 (frosh), part of the 2019-20 (sophomore), part of the 20-21(RS soph) 2021-22(RS Jr) and 2022-23(RS Sr) Total he will have played 8 semesters of college ball just like everyone gets... That's 5 different seasons. If you play even 1 game in a season, that counts as one of your four - whether you were eligible for 1 or both semesters. Unless you get a waiver. Then you get that year back (essentially).
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 3, 2019 19:48:36 GMT -5
Here's a paragraph from the NCAA rules you posted above... I f you compete at a Division I school, you have five calendar years to play four seasons of competition. Your five-year clock starts when you enroll as a full-time student at any two-year or four-year school. Your clock continues to tick down, even if you spend an academic year of residence as a result of transferring, if you redshirt, if you do not attend school or even if you enroll part time during your college career.If Akinjo follows this path that will be his "four seasons" in 5 years right? What am I missing? 2018-19 (frosh), part of the 2019-20 (sophomore), part of the 20-21(RS soph) 2021-22(RS Jr) and 2022-23(RS Sr) Total he will have played 8 semesters of college ball just like everyone gets... That's 5 different seasons. If you play even 1 game in a season, that counts as one of your four - whether you were eligible for 1 or both semesters. Unless you get a waiver. Then you get that year back (essentially). It seems strange to me but admittedly I'm not all that verse on the transfer eligibility rules... Does this mean we may have another situation where Gtown will be a part of the decision making if Akinjo applies for a waiver?
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Post by saxagael on Dec 3, 2019 20:23:40 GMT -5
That's 5 different seasons. If you play even 1 game in a season, that counts as one of your four - whether you were eligible for 1 or both semesters. Unless you get a waiver. Then you get that year back (essentially). It seems strange to me but admittedly I'm not all that verse on the transfer eligibility rules... Does this mean we may have another situation where Gtown will be a part of the decision making if Akinjo applies for a waiver? I can't remembrer with Josh Smith if he got his waiver after starting a season at UCLA and then transferring to Georgetown. He had health issues (weight that caused him to not play much at UCLA). Not sure Akinjo is going to have a leg to stand on with hardship as he was starting, playing, but coach calling him out for being selfish. That is going to be tough to get.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2019 20:35:25 GMT -5
Who is this Akinjo person?
We have no such player.
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Post by HoyaDr on Dec 3, 2019 20:35:35 GMT -5
A few points to consider about James this year with us -- all of which point to him not being the same caliber of player he was last year and yet getting the longest leash on the team. Akinjo played the most minutes on the team, took the most FGs & the most 3Ps, and had the worst shooting % and 3P %. 30.7 minutes/game – 8.7 more than Mac and 5 more than anyone else. 12.7 FGA/game – 3 more than Mac, 2 more than Yurt, and 7 more than anyone else. 33.7% FG% — I don’t even know what to say about this. That’s the worst shooting % I’ve ever heard of a player having and yet he chucked so many more shots than anyone else. 4.7 3PA and 24.2% 3P% — Also stunningly bad for taking that many shots.I don’t get where the idea that he was picked on came from or that Mac was preferred. He got a much longer leash and somehow shot even worse than Mac. That is also while he just blatantly ignored Mac and others on offense, repeatedly opting to take it 1:1 instead, and he had the 2nd highest Turnover rate after Yurtseven (how a Center leads us in TOs, I have no idea). I liked Akinjo and thought he could be a good PG for us, but he was not good this year and in many stretches was actively destructive to us. But Pat still gave him the keys to the team. If it was publicity he was worried about, then how do you explain that Pat brought him to NYC for Big East Media day? I understand things happen behind closed doors that are different than what we see, but I don’t get the perception from the outside. No coach is going to be happy with that performance or attitude he showed on the court ignoring the coach at times. I just got an ESPN alert on my phone and it was a video of an ESPN reporter talking about how Akinjo is not linked to any of the allegations and is moving on voluntarily. He wants a different environment and he wants to be a more "go to guy." I am laughing because your stats show how well he does as the "go to guy". He was terrible this season. How much more "go to" does he need to be? As you pointed out he had the most FGA per game. Did he not like throwing it down low to Yurt7 for an easy assist? What BS.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 3, 2019 20:38:28 GMT -5
I would be shocked if Mark Few went anywhere near him the way that team shares the ball.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2019 20:41:13 GMT -5
Who wouldn’t want a self-involved quitter?
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 3, 2019 20:42:35 GMT -5
A few points to consider about James this year with us -- all of which point to him not being the same caliber of player he was last year and yet getting the longest leash on the team. Akinjo played the most minutes on the team, took the most FGs & the most 3Ps, and had the worst shooting % and 3P %. 30.7 minutes/game – 8.7 more than Mac and 5 more than anyone else. 12.7 FGA/game – 3 more than Mac, 2 more than Yurt, and 7 more than anyone else. 33.7% FG% — I don’t even know what to say about this. That’s the worst shooting % I’ve ever heard of a player having and yet he chucked so many more shots than anyone else. 4.7 3PA and 24.2% 3P% — Also stunningly bad for taking that many shots.I don’t get where the idea that he was picked on came from or that Mac was preferred. He got a much longer leash and somehow shot even worse than Mac. That is also while he just blatantly ignored Mac and others on offense, repeatedly opting to take it 1:1 instead, and he had the 2nd highest Turnover rate after Yurtseven (how a Center leads us in TOs, I have no idea). I liked Akinjo and thought he could be a good PG for us, but he was not good this year and in many stretches was actively destructive to us. But Pat still gave him the keys to the team. If it was publicity he was worried about, then how do you explain that Pat brought him to NYC for Big East Media day? I understand things happen behind closed doors that are different than what we see, but I don’t get the perception from the outside. No coach is going to be happy with that performance or attitude he showed on the court ignoring the coach at times. I just got an ESPN alert on my phone and it was a video of an ESPN reporter talking about how Akinjo is not linked to any of the allegations and is moving on voluntarily. He wants a different environment and he wants to be a more "go to guy." I am laughing because your stats show how well he does as the "go to guy". He was terrible this season. How much more "go to" does he need to be? As you pointed out he had the most FGA per game. Did he not like throwing it down low to Yurt7 for an easy assist? What BS. We can agree that the report is likely BS--or is an 18 year old's clumsy attempt to get out from under a controversy. I don't buy it at face value, but, if true, this may be the unfortunate result of dealing with four star players these days. I'll ask again--why did he come back this year for seven games?
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Post by hilltophoya on Dec 3, 2019 20:45:19 GMT -5
EtomicB & Hoyas4Ever: The rules say you have five calendar years to play four "seasons of competition." A "season of competition" is used, under the rules "when you spend one second in competition on the field, court, gym or track." It is an academic year, not a calendar year. This rule is independent of the rule stating you have five calendar years (not seasons of competition) in which to compete. Thus, even if you play 1 minute in a season, you use a "season of competition." EtomicB your list of Akoy's play is exactly the same as mine. 2013-2014 is "Season of Competition" 1, 2014-2015 was 2, 2016-2017 was 3, and 2017-2018 was 4. Thus, he had no "seasons of competition" (commonly called eligibility in articles) left and had to get a waiver to play for Louisville again. For Agau, 2015-2016 was not a "season of competition" because he did not play. As I noted in another post, if you're transferring to a Division I school, "you will be charged a season of competition for each academic year in which you competed." Agau did not compete in 2015-2016, so it did not count as a "season of competition." Had his ACL been fine, and he played, it would have counted, but it did not. Agau is an odd situation because he needed two waivers - both for "season of competition" and for the 6th year. Graduate transfers are guys who graduate in 3 years (or after using 3 seasons of competition, which happens often in injury situations) and then use their 4th year to finish their time. As I said, if you are right, there should be guys who played 5 "seasons of competition" without a waiver, and there aren't any because it is against the rules. I believe you are correct, 2003. They only way a mid-season transfer can get some time back without a waiver would be to sit out 1.5 years. If he did that, he could play two full seasons wherever he ends up. But, as you said, he’s already burned two seasons. If he plays second semester next year, he’ll burn his third season of eligibility, leaving him only one more season.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 3, 2019 20:51:11 GMT -5
I would be shocked if Mark Few went anywhere near him the way that team shares the ball. The Gonzaga system is designed to share the ball because it's based on continuous ball screen action, Gtown's isn't... This entire clip is good but you can jump to the 2:08 mark to see what I'm referring to...
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