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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 26, 2020 21:06:57 GMT -5
This was his fourth year, so I don't know that he has to declare does he?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 26, 2020 21:56:59 GMT -5
This was his fourth year, so I don't know that he has to declare does he? As best I understand, even if you graduate, if you have eligibility remaining you have to declare. So Jagan who played 4 years does not, but Omer who played 3 years does.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 27, 2020 7:00:05 GMT -5
If Yurt decides to return, and I still am very doubtful that happens, it would change the entire dynamic of the team next year. He was the teams best rebounder and the focus of the teams offense last year. I am looking forward to the development of Q in the next year, but maybe he can play at the power forward spot and play both the these guys at the same time. They did show some promise offensively last year in the brief minutes they played together utilizing some high low sets, but I am not sure if either of them can consistently guard on the perimeter. Would be an interesting situation.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 9:15:17 GMT -5
Just two more hours till the deadline to declare passes, and still not a peep out of Omer. It’s starting to feel like he might actually be a candidate to come back next season. Though, is it possible that he declared and just didn’t make a public announcement? Do NBA teams have an official list internally? Posting because of the comment that he official NBA list will be coming out in a few days. I fully expect Yurtseven's name to be on that.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 27, 2020 9:15:18 GMT -5
Why would Yurt return? Would he improve his stock enough to warrant first round NBA money? Considering how he was manhandled by the better big men in our league this year I see no future for him in the NBA. He blew his chance to impress this year. He's headed to Europe and eventually a successful career outside of basketball. Nice guy, some soft basketball skills but seriously lacking in basketball meanery.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 27, 2020 9:20:57 GMT -5
Why would Yurt return? Would he improve his stock enough to warrant first round NBA money? Considering how he was manhandled by the better big men in our league this year I see no future for him in the NBA. He blew his chance to impress this year. He's headed to Europe and eventually a successful career outside of basketball. Nice guy, some soft basketball skills but seriously lacking in basketball meanery. I bet he plays in one of the Euroleagues once they start up again, hopefully.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 27, 2020 9:38:24 GMT -5
Why would Yurt return? Would he improve his stock enough to warrant first round NBA money? Considering how he was manhandled by the better big men in our league this year I see no future for him in the NBA. He blew his chance to impress this year. He's headed to Europe and eventually a successful career outside of basketball. Nice guy, some soft basketball skills but seriously lacking in basketball meanery. While I agree Yurtseven did not meet expectations we all had with him, when he was healthy he was either the best or second best guy on the team. And, if he came back next year, would be again. I like Wahab and don't want to stunt his growth, but I would take Yurtseven back any day. Like Govan the year before, I think Yurtseven took a lot of undeserved crap this year.
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Post by paranoia2 on Apr 27, 2020 10:00:05 GMT -5
No thanks.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 27, 2020 10:17:43 GMT -5
I feel like he has definitely moved on. I guess the only reason I could see him coming back is if he is concerned that many foreign leagues will not play at all in 2020-21, that he might not get a G League spot, and that there will be college hoops at some point and would be his only opportunity to play somewhere. A lot of ifs.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 27, 2020 10:25:45 GMT -5
While I agree Yurtseven did not meet expectations we all had with him, when he was healthy he was either the best or second best guy on the team. And, if he came back next year, would be again. I like Wahab and don't want to stunt his growth, but I would take Yurtseven back any day. Like Govan the year before, I think Yurtseven took a lot of undeserved crap this year. Agree. I want Omer back. The team is better and more experienced with Omer.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 27, 2020 10:39:48 GMT -5
We are in absolutely no place whatsoever to turn down Omer if he wanted to come back. I don’t know if it isn’t readily apparent, but unless one of these freshman are secret One-and-dones this next team is going to be very very bad. And while I get not wanting to stunt Wahab’s growth, we have basically no scoring options next season if Mac is gone. None of our guys create shots for themselves.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 27, 2020 12:23:50 GMT -5
While I agree Yurtseven did not meet expectations we all had with him, when he was healthy he was either the best or second best guy on the team. And, if he came back next year, would be again. I like Wahab and don't want to stunt his growth, but I would take Yurtseven back any day. Like Govan the year before, I think Yurtseven took a lot of undeserved crap this year. Agree. I want Omer back. The team is better and more experienced with Omer. I really do not see the argument against bringing him back. Some possibilities with my responses: (1) "Omer is soft." - Okay, maybe he's soft in some ways. But, he was our best rebounder on both sides, even better than Wahab. He was also the most efficient player of those returning, other than Wahab. He also blocked a ton of shots, even if Wahab was slightly better. (2) "Omer would block Wahab's growth." - This is probably the best argument, and I get where this is coming from. I think Wahab was the true bright spot of last year's team, and he definitely exceeded expectations. I look forward to seeing him on the court, again. And, Wahab needs to play. But, Wahab has had some history of foul trouble, and he's simply not going to play 30+ minutes a game anyway. And, last year showed that with injury possibilities, etc., that having two good quality players at the same position is a positive thing. (3) "Omer would block Ighoefe and Wilson's growth." This is certainly true, but frankly, I think you need to suck it up because Yurtseven is better than these two. (4) "Getting the ball into Omer too much causes our offense to stall too much." Hey, I agree with this, but I think that this is more a scheme/coaching issue that anything having to do with Omer. If Ewing and the staff run the offense through Wahab next year, the same thing will happen. So, I don't really view this as a player specific issue. I truly think that most of the fans who do not want Omer to come back are mostly basing that on the fact that we all thought Yurtseven could be a top 20-30 nationwide type player, and he wasn't that guy. Like I said, he did not perform to what I expected either, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good player for us - he was. Our roster is SO lean with experience, I don't see how you could pass on a guy like Yurtseven. I know some have contested my assertion, but I still say if you offered a graduate transfer with Yurtseven's stats and makeup, most of us would want him in a heartbeat.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 27, 2020 13:00:03 GMT -5
Why would Yurt return? Would he improve his stock enough to warrant first round NBA money? Considering how he was manhandled by the better big men in our league this year I see no future for him in the NBA. He blew his chance to impress this year. He's headed to Europe and eventually a successful career outside of basketball. Nice guy, some soft basketball skills but seriously lacking in basketball meanery. You hit the nail on the head he could come back and prove that he can play physically, which he can but he had trouble shaking off the rust and managing his offensive fouls from being too physical. As someone has been pointing out on Twitter, Steven Adams wasn’t considered all that physical coming out of college (yes I know he was younger), but they have similar positioning and footwork for 7 footers I can see him growing into that type of play with a better jumper. He can rebound at an NBA level.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 27, 2020 13:03:39 GMT -5
Agree. I want Omer back. The team is better and more experienced with Omer. I really do not see the argument against bringing him back. Some possibilities with my responses: (1) "Omer is soft." - Okay, maybe he's soft in some ways. But, he was our best rebounder on both sides, even better than Wahab. He was also the most efficient player of those returning, other than Wahab. He also blocked a ton of shots, even if Wahab was slightly better. (2) "Omer would block Wahab's growth." - This is probably the best argument, and I get where this is coming from. I think Wahab was the true bright spot of last year's team, and he definitely exceeded expectations. I look forward to seeing him on the court, again. And, Wahab needs to play. But, Wahab has had some history of foul trouble, and he's simply not going to play 30+ minutes a game anyway. And, last year showed that with injury possibilities, etc., that having two good quality players at the same position is a positive thing. (3) "Omer would block Ighoefe and Wilson's growth." This is certainly true, but frankly, I think you need to suck it up because Yurtseven is better than these two. (4) "Getting the ball into Omer too much causes our offense to stall too much." Hey, I agree with this, but I think that this is more a scheme/coaching issue that anything having to do with Omer. If Ewing and the staff run the offense through Wahab next year, the same thing will happen. So, I don't really view this as a player specific issue. I truly think that most of the fans who do not want Omer to come back are mostly basing that on the fact that we all thought Yurtseven could be a top 20-30 nationwide type player, and he wasn't that guy. Like I said, he did not perform to what I expected either, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good player for us - he was. Our roster is SO lean with experience, I don't see how you could pass on a guy like Yurtseven. I know some have contested my assertion, but I still say if you offered a graduate transfer with Yurtseven's stats and makeup, most of us would want him in a heartbeat. Well said. I’ll add that if he returns that’ll take a lot of pressure off of the rest of the young and developing roster which could accelerate their growth not having to be thrown completely into the fire.
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Post by mdtd on Apr 27, 2020 13:04:53 GMT -5
Agree. I want Omer back. The team is better and more experienced with Omer. (2) "Omer would block Wahab's growth." - This is probably the best argument, and I get where this is coming from. I think Wahab was the true bright spot of last year's team, and he definitely exceeded expectations. I look forward to seeing him on the court, again. And, Wahab needs to play. But, Wahab has had some history of foul trouble, and he's simply not going to play 30+ minutes a game anyway. And, last year showed that with injury possibilities, etc., that having two good quality players at the same position is a positive thing. This point just doesn't make sense to me. Is it better to go against a better player in practice and learn how to defend and score on a very talented professional-caliber center every single day, or to go against some guys in games who aren't nearly as good for much less time? I'd say Wahab would grow much more having to go against Yurtseven every day in practice. There would be no sane reason to not bring Omer back if he wanted to return, which I still think is unlikely. Yurtseven is miles ahead of where Ighoefe and Wilson are and is very far ahead of Wahab. Practicing against someone of that caliber every single day would make you much better than practicing against Tim or Malcolm.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 27, 2020 13:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 27, 2020 19:43:48 GMT -5
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 27, 2020 19:56:29 GMT -5
I will miss him. I know many of you were frustrated by his play at times but he carried himself extremely well and by all accounts was a stand up Hoya. Will be rooting for him for the rest of his career and hope he finds his groove at the next level.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 27, 2020 20:16:03 GMT -5
At least we now know.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 27, 2020 20:44:42 GMT -5
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