cthoya16
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Post by cthoya16 on Mar 13, 2020 8:22:27 GMT -5
Y7 will get an nba chance, he’s a skilled 7 footer
He needs to focus on catching the ball deep and getting to his very good jump hook with either hand. Settled for way too many contested baseline 15 footers, a shot he can make, but much lower than his jump hook.
I think he should come back and improve his stock but don’t blame him for leaving
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 13, 2020 10:35:39 GMT -5
Y7 will get an nba chance, he’s a skilled 7 footer He needs to focus on catching the ball deep and getting to his very good jump hook with either hand. Settled for way too many contested baseline 15 footers, a shot he can make, but much lower than his jump hook. I think he should come back and improve his stock but don’t blame him for leaving If by "get a chance," you mean he'll get invited to Portsmouth (if that even happens with Covid19), then, yes, he'll get another chance to prove he's not as soft offensively, as slow defensively and as generally ineffective against like-sized guys as he looked this season. I'd love to have him back given our returning roster and its many holes. I think there would be plenty of minutes for him and Qudus, so don't put me in the camp that thinks his return would slow Wahab's growth one bit. That said, I don't think it would help him that much to come back. What he does well (great shot from inside '12, a nice array of fadeaway moves, solid movement without the ball and decent passer) and what he does not (horrific finisher for size in close, slow defensive recovery, unproven deep shot) isn't likely to change that much with another year. He's a pure finesse guy with slow feet and no "meanery." Those guys do better in the NBA than the Big East, but only if they are considerably more efficient than Yurt on the offensive end. He left a LOT of points out there on missed bunnies and mishandled putbacks and can't cover one 4 or 5 in the NBA...not ONE...on a single roster. In fact, he's so marginal athletically and generally passive, I'm not sure there's a 3 in the NBA who wouldn't eat him up on both ends of a matchup. I see him as a solid reserve on a pro team in Europe.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 13, 2020 11:04:35 GMT -5
Omer Yurtseven or Joshua Smith ... bigger disappointment?
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 13, 2020 11:05:21 GMT -5
Omer Yurtseven or Joshua Smith ... bigger disappointment? Smith, by about 100 pounds . . .
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 13, 2020 11:07:05 GMT -5
In my opinion Yurtseven is slow and not very athletic. He has a great jump shot, I have not seen outstanding range. And I would consider him slow. He appears massive but doesn't move quickly at all. It's not just that he is slow, it's also that he plays soft. Q doesn't need to play 40mins. We just need Tim or Malcolm to be able to spell Q for 10-15mins. I would take a tough guy like Jones(Xavier) everyday over a more skilled softy like Yurt. Q gives the toughness and most of the skillset...
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 13, 2020 11:10:53 GMT -5
Omer Yurtseven or Joshua Smith ... bigger disappointment? Josh, no question. Say what you want about Omer's softness or inability to dominate lesser matchups on a consistent basis, but at least he was responsible enough to keep himself eligible. Not even in the same ballpark in terms of disappointment.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 13, 2020 11:28:04 GMT -5
Y7 will get an nba chance, he’s a skilled 7 footer He needs to focus on catching the ball deep and getting to his very good jump hook with either hand. Settled for way too many contested baseline 15 footers, a shot he can make, but much lower than his jump hook. I think he should come back and improve his stock but don’t blame him for leaving If by "get a chance," you mean he'll get invited to Portsmouth (if that even happens with Covid19), then, yes, he'll get another chance to prove he's not as soft offensively, as slow defensively and as generally ineffective against like-sized guys as he looked this season. I'd love to have him back given our returning roster and its many holes. I think there would be plenty of minutes for him and Qudus, so don't put me in the camp that thinks his return would slow Wahab's growth one bit. That said, I don't think it would help him that much to come back. What he does well (great shot from inside '12, a nice array of fadeaway moves, solid movement without the ball and decent passer) and what he does not (horrific finisher for size in close, slow defensive recovery, unproven deep shot) isn't likely to change that much with another year. He's a pure finesse guy with slow feet and no "meanery." Those guys do better in the NBA than the Big East, but only if they are considerably more efficient than Yurt on the offensive end. He left a LOT of points out there on missed bunnies and mishandled putbacks and can't cover one 4 or 5 in the NBA...not ONE...on a single roster. In fact, he's so marginal athletically and generally passive, I'm not sure there's a 3 in the NBA who wouldn't eat him up on both ends of a matchup. I see him as a solid reserve on a pro team in Europe. He cooked the best big on his schedule, but keep cherry picking because you’re mad your expectations of BE POY didn’t work out...he got hurt but he was still the best center in the BE. Two years running but some people will never be satisfied...
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 13, 2020 11:29:13 GMT -5
Y7 will get an nba chance, he’s a skilled 7 footer He needs to focus on catching the ball deep and getting to his very good jump hook with either hand. Settled for way too many contested baseline 15 footers, a shot he can make, but much lower than his jump hook. I think he should come back and improve his stock but don’t blame him for leaving If by "get a chance," you mean he'll get invited to Portsmouth (if that even happens with Covid19), then, yes, he'll get another chance to prove he's not as soft offensively, as slow defensively and as generally ineffective against like-sized guys as he looked this season. I'd love to have him back given our returning roster and its many holes. I think there would be plenty of minutes for him and Qudus, so don't put me in the camp that thinks his return would slow Wahab's growth one bit. That said, I don't think it would help him that much to come back. What he does well (great shot from inside '12, a nice array of fadeaway moves, solid movement without the ball and decent passer) and what he does not (horrific finisher for size in close, slow defensive recovery, unproven deep shot) isn't likely to change that much with another year. He's a pure finesse guy with slow feet and no "meanery." Those guys do better in the NBA than the Big East, but only if they are considerably more efficient than Yurt on the offensive end. He left a LOT of points out there on missed bunnies and mishandled putbacks and can't cover one 4 or 5 in the NBA...not ONE...on a single roster. In fact, he's so marginal athletically and generally passive, I'm not sure there's a 3 in the NBA who wouldn't eat him up on both ends of a matchup. I see him as a solid reserve on a pro team in Europe. Add to the fact that he was constantly getting called for fouls on both sides he wasn’t allowed to play as physically as he wanted to. Go back and watch the first 5-10 to see how he had to gradually tailor his physicality to match the refs’ styles.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 13, 2020 11:40:50 GMT -5
Omer Yurtseven or Joshua Smith ... bigger disappointment? Josh, no question. Say what you want about Omer's softness or inability to dominate lesser matchups on a consistent basis, but at least he was responsible enough to keep himself eligible. Not even in the same ballpark in terms of disappointment. Agreed. Yes, the ending was flat, but Yurtseven led the team in scoring and rebounding, and fell four rebounds short of being only the fourth player in school history to average a double-double over his career. Four. Josh Smith was a huge swing and a miss for this program. Georgetown threw him a lifeline and he ate it. He showed up his junior season at 350 and was declared ineligible 13 games into the season He domianted the paint but averaged just 20 minutes a game because he was so out of shape. As noted in his bio on Hoyabasketball, com, "To the school that had helped him recuscicate his career, Smith quit his studies after the season and failed to earn his degree, focusing instead on an NBA draft invitation which never came. He became the first Georgetown senior in 15 years not to graduate from the team." As disappointments go this decade there were many, from Greg Whittington's final exam to James Akinjo's attitude, but Yurtseven isn't in the same area code at far as the opportunity squandered by Josh Smith at Georgetown.
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 13, 2020 13:05:57 GMT -5
If by "get a chance," you mean he'll get invited to Portsmouth (if that even happens with Covid19), then, yes, he'll get another chance to prove he's not as soft offensively, as slow defensively and as generally ineffective against like-sized guys as he looked this season. I'd love to have him back given our returning roster and its many holes. I think there would be plenty of minutes for him and Qudus, so don't put me in the camp that thinks his return would slow Wahab's growth one bit. That said, I don't think it would help him that much to come back. What he does well (great shot from inside '12, a nice array of fadeaway moves, solid movement without the ball and decent passer) and what he does not (horrific finisher for size in close, slow defensive recovery, unproven deep shot) isn't likely to change that much with another year. He's a pure finesse guy with slow feet and no "meanery." Those guys do better in the NBA than the Big East, but only if they are considerably more efficient than Yurt on the offensive end. He left a LOT of points out there on missed bunnies and mishandled putbacks and can't cover one 4 or 5 in the NBA...not ONE...on a single roster. In fact, he's so marginal athletically and generally passive, I'm not sure there's a 3 in the NBA who wouldn't eat him up on both ends of a matchup. I see him as a solid reserve on a pro team in Europe. He cooked the best big on his schedule, but keep cherry picking because you’re mad your expectations of BE POY didn’t work out...he got hurt but he was still the best center in the BE. Two years running but some people will never be satisfied... Vernon Carey, clearly the best center he faced, put 20 and 10 on him, so I really don't know what you're talking about...I'll look at his matchups against other P5 centers and spit back the results in about an hour... So he only played 4 games against real centers (Texas, Duke, Seton Hall twice). In those four games, he had only one great performance (the second game against Gill where he put up 19-15 in a loss). Gill did have eight blocks in that game, but was otherwise pretty forgettable (6-6-8). In the other three games, he was cooked by Gill (17-8-4 to 9-5-0), Texas' Sims was actually upstaged by Qudus in NYC and Carey (20-10-1 to 21-5-4) definitely was the better player in the Duke loss. So, it appears you were cherry picking his lone great game against Seton Hall in early Feb. He was fine otherwise, but his game is predicated on the lowest percentage shot in basketball - a fadeaway baseline 12 footer that has literally become obsolete in the game because it's such an inefficient shot. He's a nice college player, maybe even a pro...but not in the NBA.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 13, 2020 13:34:56 GMT -5
He cooked the best big on his schedule, but keep cherry picking because you’re mad your expectations of BE POY didn’t work out...he got hurt but he was still the best center in the BE. Two years running but some people will never be satisfied... Vernon Carey, clearly the best center he faced, put 20 and 10 on him, so I really don't know what you're talking about...I'll look at his matchups against other P5 centers and spit back the results in about an hour... So he only played 4 games against real centers (Texas, Duke, Seton Hall twice). In those four games, he had only one great performance (the second game against Gill where he put up 19-15 in a loss). Gill did have eight blocks in that game, but was otherwise pretty forgettable (6-6-8). In the other three games, he was cooked by Gill (17-8-4 to 9-5-0), Texas' Sims was actually upstaged by Qudus in NYC and Carey (20-10-1 to 21-5-4) definitely was the better player in the Duke loss. So, it appears you were cherry picking his lone great game against Seton Hall in early Feb. He was fine otherwise, but his game is predicated on the lowest percentage shot in basketball - a fadeaway baseline 12 footer that has literally become obsolete in the game because it's such an inefficient shot. He's a nice college player, maybe even a pro...but not in the NBA. Your point was that he struggles with real centers...You realize if you apply that type of analysis to all centers in the country 95% lose a fair bit of hype and shine? He is a top 10 finalist for the Kareem award and the best center in the BE give it a rest. He was better than he was at NC state. His season was derailed by injury while still working off rust. But you go ahead waste time and energy tearing him down for no reason...all college kids are inconsistent. Otherwise they’re lottery picks. Omer hasn’t been perfect but he’s played better than a whole lot of talented players.,
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2020 14:22:43 GMT -5
Omer Yurtseven or Joshua Smith ... bigger disappointment? I have never been as down on Josh Smith as others, including DFW (above). A few things: (1) When we recruited Smith, we had no real big on the team. In high school, he was a McDonald's All Star and a 5 star recruit. He struggled at UCLA, so we knew what we were going to get to some degree. Smith's success at Georgetown was contingent, in part, on his ability to lose weight and get into shape. And ultimately, that was a risk, but it was a risk with virtually no downside. Had Smith not had the eligibility problem as a junior, we would not have had him anyway, so not much downside there. (2) Smith did lose weight when he came to Georgetown, and he entered senior year lighter than junior year (regardless of what the numbers on the roster sheet say, it was obvious). It wasn't enough, but as others have said, he was incredibly dominant in the paint, but his weight and lack of mobility was a real challenge. (3) Senior year, the alternative to Smith was Hopkins, who was not even remotely as good offensively, so he did fill a need. (4) With the caveat that I am not a medical professional: between Smith's weight problems and the academic issue (despite the fact that he seemed plenty intelligent enough to pass), I think there is a high likelihood that Smith likely had depression/other mental issues that affected what he did. Which is why I think the comments about him eating his opportunity are in bad taste. Look at Sweetney. It would have been easy to just call the guy fat and make fun of him (and surely people did), and it turns out that he was facing demons well beyond eating. So, maybe cut the guy a little slack.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 13, 2020 14:28:15 GMT -5
Smith had serious skills, but a more serious weight problem. Still bouncy though.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 13, 2020 16:05:30 GMT -5
In my opinion Yurtseven is slow and not very athletic. He has a great jump shot, I have not seen outstanding range. And I would consider him slow. He appears massive but doesn't move quickly at all. I think Yurt is a "good" athlete for his size. I am not sure I would call him slow or plodding, but he is also not an explosive, elite athlete. He has very well developed offensive skills for a college big man, but I question how those skills will translate into the NBA, if he can not improve on his athleticism/quickness. Sorry plodding is a word I would use. Not to say he doesn't have skills, he does, just limited effectiveness against others of comparable height, or lesser. How many times was he blocked at the rim? I think his time was now/ this year. Tomorrow is tomorrow. Who knows what it brings? Q and Tim play the style of ball I look for in a center. Whatever he does, I wish him the best! Just don't know how it helps the Hoyas!
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 13, 2020 16:43:05 GMT -5
I think Yurt is a "good" athlete for his size. I am not sure I would call him slow or plodding, but he is also not an explosive, elite athlete. He has very well developed offensive skills for a college big man, but I question how those skills will translate into the NBA, if he can not improve on his athleticism/quickness. Sorry plodding is a word I would use. Not to say he doesn't have skills, he does, just limited effectiveness against others of comparable height, or lesser. How many times was he blocked at the rim? I think his time was now/ this year. Tomorrow is tomorrow. Who knows what it brings? Q and Tim play the style of ball I look for in a center. Whatever he does, I wish him the best! Just don't know how it helps the Hoyas! He gets blocked at the rim because he doesn’t keep the ball high enough on the catch. Fundamentals.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 13, 2020 19:00:41 GMT -5
Y7 will get an nba chance, he’s a skilled 7 footer He needs to focus on catching the ball deep and getting to his very good jump hook with either hand. Settled for way too many contested baseline 15 footers, a shot he can make, but much lower than his jump hook. I think he should come back and improve his stock but don’t blame him for leaving Get a chance like the even more skilled big guy with better range that played here last year got? The sad part is I think you are right and it's all because he had a good tourney when he was 16 years old and NBA scouts aren't very smart.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 13, 2020 19:34:33 GMT -5
Omer Yurtseven or Joshua Smith ... bigger disappointment? The answer is Grady Mateen.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 13, 2020 20:26:09 GMT -5
Add Wesley Wilson
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 13, 2020 20:30:09 GMT -5
Omer Yurtseven or Joshua Smith ... bigger disappointment? Smith, for sure.
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 13, 2020 20:32:55 GMT -5
Patrick knows. He did not bring in 3 freshmen centers without knowing this would be Yurtseven's last season. But obviously it isn't up to him to say anything.Omer is gone - he was honored on Senior Day - that says it all.
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