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Post by blueandgray on Mar 5, 2020 14:07:12 GMT -5
Points well taken. If I cannot share the whole story...I shouldn’t be posting on this subject.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 5, 2020 14:12:27 GMT -5
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Post by emkmd on Mar 5, 2020 14:45:10 GMT -5
Happened to see him walking into Thompson center with no boot or limp.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2020 14:46:48 GMT -5
Points well taken. If I cannot share the whole story...I shouldn’t be posting on this subject. You can slways pm me if you want to vent. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 5, 2020 14:47:23 GMT -5
Just to point out - calling someone bush league is not respectful.😉 He said "but the way you always take digs at him without actually saying anything is bush league" which I think means he's calling the action bush league (very just, the kid got hurt and still shows up to games, he didn't give up on the team, he's still here. Unless we figure something out that he isn't actually rehabbing or wasn't actually hurt, it's 100% Bush League to make that jump) and not the guy himself. At least, that's how I'd interpret it. If the university actually told us the extent to the injury it's a different story. Unless for some reason Yurt wants this injury, which seems that it wont affect him in the Summer preparations for Pro Basketball and wants the fans of BOTH schools he represented to call him soft and not hard-working and wants that to be his endorsement from fans, there doesn't seem to be any logical reason that the player himself would not want this disclosed. Not to mention how other, more successful programs actually tell fans injury updates and have more fans show up to the games because it at least shows the fans that the school cares for them to know enough about the on court status and what they are paying their hard earned money to see. But, I'm on a tangent and this is Yurt's thread. The kid might not want to risk playing too much. He would't still be here if he didn't care. Playing injured enough to where you can't jump and can't get up the floor in time to set up defensively and can't get good position down low HURTS THE TEAM. So, instead of calling him out, why don't we relax until we know the full story. Because, rockhoya is right it is 100% bush league to take that jump knowing how little we all are told. Correct interpretation, words matter ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 5, 2020 14:49:47 GMT -5
Points well taken. If I cannot share the whole story...I shouldn’t be posting on this subject. Yeah I didn’t mean to come straight out you but this is a young man who has sacrificed a lot in an effort to help out this programs so that’s what I was basically getting at. I respect that you have inside knowledge and may a side of the story that me or others maybe don’t, but unless you’re at liberty to speak freely the veiled comments are a bit unfair imo. You do have a certain stature on this board and so if it was another poster I wouldn’t have responded to it the same way, but it sounds like you do understand the “elevated” responsibility you carry based on your proximity to the program. And I don’t doubt that you have intimate knowledge of the situation, but I’ve been an NCAA athlete myself and know plenty of athletes across many sports and various levels, more often than not there can be a disconnect between what a trainer says and how the player’s body actually feels. (Sometimes it’s hard to discern whether that’s true or whether someone is using it as an excuse, like many things in life. Add to that the standard for “medically cleared” is basically healthy enough to not get sued for mismanagement of an injury, not actual ability to use your body risk-free). Even in my older age I broke my foot this past year and further reflected on the fact that the majority of my physical and injury diagnoses have missed the mark. One explanation can be that it’s sometimes hard to literally communicate the feelings in your body to a medical practitioner to the extent that they can provide the most accurate and beneficial treatment. Proper communication is the key there. I don’t doubt that the medical staff may think he’s ready, but they don’t have the intimate knowledge of what his leg actually feels like to make a complete determination. Again, without going too too far into psycho analysis I don’t see the incentives there for him to quit on the team or try to avoid a comeback. Coming from someone who sacrificed their body one too many times for the sake of my TEAM, it’s a hard position to be in if you really want to be out there and if you’ve been injured before it’s worth taking an extra precaution to make sure you are thinking things through properly. That dynamic gets infinitely more complicated when a player has a naturally high pain tolerance. Yes I know he’s very very likely gone, but it’s hard to really know what the individual is thinking - maybe this encourages him to take another hard look at whether he wants to come back.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 5, 2020 14:52:00 GMT -5
Happened to see him walking into Thompson center with no boot or limp. No boot or limp is required for a structural injury to exist.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 5, 2020 14:56:03 GMT -5
I continue to hold out hope that he wants to make sure he is fully healed for the BET since for the last couple of weeks that has pretty much been our only hope to get into the NCAA'S.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 5, 2020 15:05:15 GMT -5
I continue to hold out hope that he wants to make sure he is fully healed for the BET since for the last couple of weeks that has pretty much been our only hope to get into the NCAA'S. Yup. You never know. Many a NBA careers have been made in March alone.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 5, 2020 15:16:58 GMT -5
I continue to hold out hope that he wants to make sure he is fully healed for the BET since for the last couple of weeks that has pretty much been our only hope to get into the NCAA'S. Yup. You never know. Many a NBA careers have been made in March alone. Omari Spellman is the first name that really pops into my mind. Very good player who got the right matchup (Kansas, Udoka Azubuike more specifically) and just broke out.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 5, 2020 15:26:18 GMT -5
Yup. You never know. Many a NBA careers have been made in March alone. Omari Spellman is the first name that really pops into my mind. Very good player who got the right matchup (Kansas, Udoka Azubuike more specifically) and just broke out. First one that pops in my head is DiVencenzio (sp)....hmm something about that Wright guy
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Post by mdtd on Mar 5, 2020 15:34:38 GMT -5
Omari Spellman is the first name that really pops into my mind. Very good player who got the right matchup (Kansas, Udoka Azubuike more specifically) and just broke out. First one that pops in my head is DiVencenzio (sp)....hmm something about that Wright guy He might just be a fine coach. Nothing too special though.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 5, 2020 15:47:16 GMT -5
First one that pops in my head is DiVencenzio (sp)....hmm something about that Wright guy He might just be a fine coach. Nothing too special though. Nah, give me the “imaginary better coach, since he can always be better” option any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 5, 2020 17:40:15 GMT -5
Nova fans I know are already afraid Bey will have a huge game in the NCAA's and turn pro. Wouldn't surprise me. The kid is a stud. Everything Jamarko isn't.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 5, 2020 19:29:59 GMT -5
Nova fans I know are already afraid Bey will have a huge game in the NCAA's and turn pro. Wouldn't surprise me. The kid is a stud. Everything Jamarko isn't. No need to take a shot at Pickett here
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Post by tashoya on Mar 5, 2020 21:52:28 GMT -5
The man got hurt. We don't know the extent of the injury. If he can't go, he can't go. The character shots by the vast majority of us that know exactly nothing are, IMO, over the line. I would have liked to have seen both he and Mac fully healthy, especially after the transfers, to see what this group could have done but it wasn't to be.
On a brighter note, hopefully the extra time helps Q come along more quickly than he otherwise would have. And, with any mention of a depleted team, it needs to be mentioned that Jagan and Terrell have played their asses off and given 100% of what they have. There's been ZERO quit in either of them. I'm going to miss them both.
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Post by wponds on Mar 6, 2020 10:28:53 GMT -5
http://instagr.am/p/B9ZYJzFpP1Q I'm guessing the caption means that he is being honored in the Senior Day festivities, aka officially not coming back next year
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 6, 2020 10:46:49 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine taking a closer look at our medical and training staff. It was Ewing himself who said in a presser after the Mac/Yurt injuries something to the effect of "I told the trainers, it's time to earn your money." Well, have they? Do we need to see if the doctor who medically cleared Yurt should have done so in the first place?
I'm not saying Yurt is 100% absolved, but this whole episode requires a top to bottom re-evaluation that's not just limited to Yurt himself.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2020 10:58:39 GMT -5
http://instagr.am/p/B9ZYJzFpP1Q I'm guessing the caption means that he is being honored in the Senior Day festivities, aka officially not coming back next year With the season he sat out he has been in college 4 years and presumably is graduating and would therefore be included. And it has been pretty clear for weeks if not months that he is going to start his professional career somewhere.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 6, 2020 11:35:47 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine taking a closer look at our medical and training staff. It was Ewing himself who said in a presser after the Mac/Yurt injuries something to the effect of "I told the trainers, it's time to earn your money." Well, have they? Do we need to see if the doctor who medically cleared Yurt should have done so in the first place? I'm not saying Yurt is 100% absolved, but this whole episode requires a top to bottom re-evaluation that's not just limited to Yurt himself. Medicine by nature has some fundamental flaws. It’s not foolproof and it’s not effective to try to reduce it to an exact science. I mean, anyone can break an ankle walking down a street and healing is not linear either...
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