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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 9, 2020 9:18:28 GMT -5
It is back to school, back to Turkey or some like place, or off to the G League. The NBA is not in his future next year.
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Post by capcenterhoya on Jan 9, 2020 9:22:42 GMT -5
If Yurt isn't scoring efficiently, he's almost a liability on the floor. I hope this is just a slump, but watching him force so many shots the past two games has been brutal. I know Len Elmore mentioned it during the Seton Hall game, but the team is better defensively with Wahab in the game. In games where Yurt is not imposing his will, Ewing has to be able make adjustments.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 9, 2020 9:29:56 GMT -5
I like Yurt but I would like to see a solid rotation of him, Q, and Timmmmmmy for brief spells.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2020 9:36:02 GMT -5
Yurt’s intensity is no better than Jesse’s at this point, nor is his decision making. I honestly believe he would benefit from playing another year at Georgetown. He needs a solid year of hitting the weights. I thought that was what the off year was for... I guess we’ll have to wait until he hits the Austin Freeman Pre-NBA Workout Regime, which starts right after the player’s last college game. History has shown that waiting until then to get their bodies ready leads to playing in Europe, not the NBA. So many poster boy examples close to the team, yet the lesson is not learned. Five things surprise me about Omer: 1. He practices vs two or three seven footers with strong bodies or fast (Malcolm), yet he doesn’t seem comfortable in games vs. tall players; 2. He gets bodied pretty easily by tough players, no matter the size; 3. His lack of 3s is a thing now. IMO, he doesn’t get to the NBA unless he shows he can hit 3s, although that didn’t help Govan; 4. His lack of a bank shot is amazing. If it’s not dunks, he just shoots finesse shots, some of the most difficult varieties, without taking advantage of his height and bank while missing finessed bunnies; 5. Seems to me that Jessie started the trend away from the GU big with a hook shot and Omer uses it less than Jessie. Maybe it’s because both of them couldn’t fight for position to start the hook move vs. tougher players or because each had so many offensive weapons. But, a proper hook can be almost a gimme for a seven-footer with touch. To be clear, I want him to stay and complete his transformation/correct his weaknesses/get stronger physically here.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 9, 2020 10:15:37 GMT -5
Some counters to stuff thrown out in this thread
- Suggestions that Tim I. should be playing against BE competition seem a little crazy. It's fun when he gets to play garbage time against low competition. In his 2 min against Providence, he committed the classic hip check foul outside the 3 pt line and then brought his hands down trying to strip a guard instead of going straight up. I'm actually disappointed in his lateral mobility, Wahab is on a different level in that regard. He's chiseled but I'm not actually sure I see a natural athlete. I'm sure the coordination will come with time and I think he has a massive leap to be impactful next year.
- Wahab is definitely a superior defender, although he sometimes goes block hunting too much and takes himself out of position. But I've seen very little that suggests we should be throwing him the ball in the post on offense. His next pass out of the post will be his first one. If we want to have him be primarily a roll man (the Texas game is a good outline here) then I can see this more but we dont have enough perimeter creators for that to really happen. We need efficient post play that Yurt7 has generally provided
- The comparisons to Govan also seem a little crazy. Yurt7 blocks shots nearly twice as frequently (7 per 100 possessions vs. Govan 4.4), and grabs an offensive rebound nearly 3x as often (17 per 100 possessions vs. 6.6! for Govan) and even has a better D rebounding rate. I agree the 3 point shooting has been a disappointment, but a 110 O-rating on a nearly 30% usage rate is not easy to pull off. With Pickett primarily playing the 4 we don't need his 3 point spacing as much (as compared to last year where LeBlanc being around rim necessitated Govan be a 3 pt threat)
- Maybe the problem with their defense, both Govan and Yurt7, is that the scheme is too rigid and not meant for their skillsets. The hard hedge probably was great for Ewing when he was a player, he was a unicorn of amazing athletic ability. Asking less laterally-gifted players to extend well beyond the 3 point line and then sprint back to the paint is tough. Govan would get straight up posted and hold his hands up as stronger players barreled over him. I haven't seen that w Yurt7, Carey got him a little bit and Watson had maybe a few plays. Gil didn't post him up, it was the rolls where Yurt7 wasn't anywhere near him. Xavier is maybe the only other team that will think about attacking him in a straight post up
- I agree that at the moment Yurt7 doesn't project to the NBA. The lack of shooting and dependence on post play doesn't fit with today's game. He's also 22 in June, suggesting he'd be better served staying a year and going pro at 23 doesnt jive with what NBA teams want. He had a year off to focus entirely on his game, this is what he is. He will have a lucrative professional basketball career, it's just unlikely to be in the NBA and spending another year on campus doesn't change that
I hope none of this comes back to bite me, but I'm still hopeful there will be big east games swung by his inside presence
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Post by bearsandbulls on Jan 9, 2020 10:28:02 GMT -5
I would love to see Gtown gain advantage from the descriptions of Yurtseven above. He has his frailties but he makes the team much better than Govan ever did or that Wahab would next year (my guess). Yurt7 is polished in many ways, but has his deficiencies. I would love him to stay.
From the some of the comments here, I suspect many would love him to move on. That I don't understand.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 9, 2020 11:01:55 GMT -5
Yurt’s intensity is no better than Jesse’s at this point, nor is his decision making. I honestly believe he would benefit from playing another year at Georgetown. He needs a solid year of hitting the weights. I think all of the college athletes can get stronger if they intend to play at the highest level s professionally, but Yurt looks to be pretty physically fit and strong to me. I think the issue is him getting used to the bumping and pushing that happens in the Big East when he plays against other big strong athletes. I know he practices against some big guys on the team everyday, but you can not simulate the intensity, speed and physicality that occurs in games during practice. I think he just needs to get more accustomed to that type of play and embrace it.
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Post by Filo on Jan 9, 2020 12:08:06 GMT -5
Some counters to stuff thrown out in this thread - Suggestions that Tim I. should be playing against BE competition seem a little crazy. It's fun when he gets to play garbage time against low competition. In his 2 min against Providence, he committed the classic hip check foul outside the 3 pt line and then brought his hands down trying to strip a guard instead of going straight up. I'm actually disappointed in his lateral mobility, Wahab is on a different level in that regard. He's chiseled but I'm not actually sure I see a natural athlete. I'm sure the coordination will come with time and I think he has a massive leap to be impactful next year. - Wahab is definitely a superior defender, although he sometimes goes block hunting too much and takes himself out of position. But I've seen very little that suggests we should be throwing him the ball in the post on offense. His next pass out of the post will be his first one. If we want to have him be primarily a roll man (the Texas game is a good outline here) then I can see this more but we dont have enough perimeter creators for that to really happen. We need efficient post play that Yurt7 has generally provided - The comparisons to Govan also seem a little crazy. Yurt7 blocks shots nearly twice as frequently (7 per 100 possessions vs. Govan 4.4), and grabs an offensive rebound nearly 3x as often (17 per 100 possessions vs. 6.6! for Govan) and even has a better D rebounding rate. I agree the 3 point shooting has been a disappointment, but a 110 O-rating on a nearly 30% usage rate is not easy to pull off. With Pickett primarily playing the 4 we don't need his 3 point spacing as much (as compared to last year where LeBlanc being around rim necessitated Govan be a 3 pt threat) - Maybe the problem with their defense, both Govan and Yurt7, is that the scheme is too rigid and not meant for their skillsets. The hard hedge probably was great for Ewing when he was a player, he was a unicorn of amazing athletic ability. Asking less laterally-gifted players to extend well beyond the 3 point line and then sprint back to the paint is tough. Govan would get straight up posted and hold his hands up as stronger players barreled over him. I haven't seen that w Yurt7, Carey got him a little bit and Watson had maybe a few plays. Gil didn't post him up, it was the rolls where Yurt7 wasn't anywhere near him. Xavier is maybe the only other team that will think about attacking him in a straight post up - I agree that at the moment Yurt7 doesn't project to the NBA. The lack of shooting and dependence on post play doesn't fit with today's game. He's also 22 in June, suggesting he'd be better served staying a year and going pro at 23 doesnt jive with what NBA teams want. He had a year off to focus entirely on his game, this is what he is. He will have a lucrative professional basketball career, it's just unlikely to be in the NBA and spending another year on campus doesn't change that I hope none of this comes back to bite me, but I'm still hopeful there will be big east games swung by his inside presence Agree that Yurt does a good job on the rebounding, and totally agree that the scheme/ hedging issue is a disaster. I feel like we get burned on that at least 10 times a game (Mac's block was one of those plays last night).
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 9, 2020 12:36:52 GMT -5
Yurt’s intensity is no better than Jesse’s at this point, nor is his decision making. I honestly believe he would benefit from playing another year at Georgetown. He needs a solid year of hitting the weights. My question would be...did he lift any weights in the past year, when he was ineligible to play? And if so, a follow-up question: is this the end result of lifting? Either way, it's not good.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 9, 2020 12:40:31 GMT -5
From the some of the comments here, I suspect many would love him to move on. That I don't understand. Purely from a Georgetown perspective, I don't see how anybody would want him to move on, unless he is obviously ready to go to the NBA (for example, how Otto Porter was). Our team would be immeasurably better if he stayed. I know that's unlikely, but IF he stayed, that would greatly brighten the outlook for 2020-2021.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 9, 2020 13:43:40 GMT -5
He needs a solid year of hitting the weights. My question would be...did he lift any weights in the past year, when he was ineligible to play? And if so, a follow-up question: is this the end result of lifting? Either way, it's not good. To say he’s not strong is quite the overreaction. Omer got the ball stripped a few times last night, but that was more of an issue with awareness than strength. He was definitely lifting last year, and he was working with a lot of personal trainers this past spring/summer for both strength and basketball skills. He certainly looks stronger than he was at NC State.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 9, 2020 14:25:27 GMT -5
My question would be...did he lift any weights in the past year, when he was ineligible to play? And if so, a follow-up question: is this the end result of lifting? Either way, it's not good. To say he’s not strong is quite the overreaction. Omer got the ball stripped a few times last night, but that was more of an issue with awareness than strength. He was definitely lifting last year, and he was working with a lot of personal trainers this past spring/summer for both strength and basketball skills. He certainly looks stronger than he was at NC State. Didn't see him play at NC State. And there were a few bad turnovers last night, after rebounds, where he basically handed the ball to a Johnnie right next to him. But I'm not looking at last night's play, for reasons posited above last night.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 11, 2020 16:00:36 GMT -5
I don't know anything about his financial situation or personal goals, but--four games into the BE--there is an increasingly plausible case to be made that Yurt should stay if he's invested at all in the NBA. It may not matter, but I doubt it's happening at all if this version of Yurt leaves Gtown in '20. If he only wants to go Euro, well, never mind.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 11, 2020 16:10:47 GMT -5
I don't know anything about his financial situation or personal goals, but there is an increasingly plausible case to be made that Yurt should stay if he's invested at all in the NBA. It may not matter, but I doubt it's happening at all if this version of Yurt leaves Gtown in '20. If he only wants to go Euro, well, never mind. If he stays another year he’ll be 23 by the time the nba draft comes around. 23 year old seniors aren’t usually very high on the list of players that get drafted in the first round. As for our squad, I’ve seen enough of him. I hope he leaves. If he stays, all it’s gonna do is stunt the growth of the youngsters behind him right now, all of whom seem to have significant potential. As it stands right now I’d rather have wahab on the floor.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 11, 2020 16:27:16 GMT -5
I don't know anything about his financial situation or personal goals, but there is an increasingly plausible case to be made that Yurt should stay if he's invested at all in the NBA. It may not matter, but I doubt it's happening at all if this version of Yurt leaves Gtown in '20. If he only wants to go Euro, well, never mind. If he stays another year he’ll be 23 by the time the nba draft comes around. 23 year old seniors aren’t usually very high on the list of players that get drafted in the first round. As for our squad, I’ve seen enough of him. I hope he leaves. If he stays, all it’s gonna do is stunt the growth of the youngsters behind him right now, all of whom seem to have significant potential. As it stands right now I’d rather have wahab on the floor. True on his age, but he isn't getting drafted if he leaves this year IMO. So the question, I suppose, is he enough invested in the NBA to take a shot next year after a degree of improvement and personal numbers. As far as interfering with the young bigs development, I see your point, but my opinion is that we need all of the help we can get next year. Wahab looks like a player, but I'm not sure the others are ready for more than spot duty.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 11, 2020 16:45:52 GMT -5
If he stays another year he’ll be 23 by the time the nba draft comes around. 23 year old seniors aren’t usually very high on the list of players that get drafted in the first round. As for our squad, I’ve seen enough of him. I hope he leaves. If he stays, all it’s gonna do is stunt the growth of the youngsters behind him right now, all of whom seem to have significant potential. As it stands right now I’d rather have wahab on the floor. True on his age, but he isn't getting drafted if he leaves this year IMO. So the question, I suppose, is he enough invested in the NBA to take a shot next year after a degree of improvement and personal numbers. As far as interfering with the young bigs development, I see your point, but my opinion is that we need all of the help we can get next year. Wahab looks like a player, but I'm not sure the others are ready for more than spot duty. Yea I agree with you I don’t think he gets drafted either way. He’s just not am NBA player imo. As for our guys, Wahab clearly looks like he can be a legit player in the BE. Tim has the physical build and Malcolm has the length and athleticism/agility that Id rather see those guys get a shot to earn minutes next year instead of another year of Yurt plodding around and getting stripped by guards
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Post by beenaround on Jan 11, 2020 20:13:43 GMT -5
Yurt has not been very good lately. To say we are better off without him is utterly ridiculous. Q has shown to be a relentless rebounder and improving defender. He's also good at getting that low post position and flicking it in. However..he is not facing any double teams , like Yurt, and obviously is light years less polished than Yurt. Glad to have them BOTH. Yurt has disappointed me, as well..I expected him to be a real force. But..he is still pretty good and will help us win a few games this year.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 11, 2020 21:23:07 GMT -5
I feel like Yurtseven’s assertiveness and Mac’s health will determine the season.
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Post by saxagael on Jan 12, 2020 10:58:17 GMT -5
Yurtseven is a bit of a tweener. He is fairly athletic, has a decent outside shot, and can power in with banging against defenders yet he finishes with finesse rather than power. Good traits, actually really good traits, but he mixes them a lot which with often doesn't work well. He doesn't seem sure when to apply what skills he does well and when, which is often a sign of learning the skills.
He is a good shooting and finesse player, really good and that can work really well against a lot of teams with smaller middle teams and lacking an athletic big. He struggles with physical and powerful bigs and he often tries to play them inside and power against them, which he will not win that battle until he learns to use his lower body strength (which he has shown he has and Govan never had). The finesse game and mid-range and out shooting should work decently against the athletic power bigs, but he tries to play power against them and it doesn't work.
He will bang his way in with power backdown moves to get the defender in the circle, but rather than powering over the player goes to finesse to finish. He also brings the ball down too much when inside and then tries to power up, which makes him easy to block. He will also get inside on a drive with one or two bounces or on a pass while he is in motion and try to turn that into a power move that destroys his advantage.
Yurt has the skills and has been learning more ways to play, which is a bit of the problem. He's still learning when to use what and how create and take advantage of mis-matches. He will get there, but I just wish he was there.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Jan 12, 2020 11:01:54 GMT -5
Yurt has not been very good lately. To say we are better off without him is utterly ridiculous. Q has shown to be a relentless rebounder and improving defender. He's also good at getting that low post position and flicking it in. However..he is not facing any double teams , like Yurt, and obviously is light years less polished than Yurt. Glad to have them BOTH. Yurt has disappointed me, as well..I expected him to be a real force. But..he is still pretty good and will help us win a few games this year. I agree with this post and add another reason that I would like Yurt back. Aside from Yurt getting better, I do not think that Q will learn not to commit silly fouls quickly in games and effect PE's entire rotation. This takes time and many players never get it. Especially bigs. So if Q is #1 and no Yurt7, we could be in serious trouble with depth.
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