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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 23, 2019 10:54:58 GMT -5
Add me to the group that doesn’t think Yurt has anything to gain from coming back. Nor does he need to. He will be drafted. He is a joy to watch, however, and I wish we had him for a couple of years. Yurt is definitely one of the most polished big men we have had in a long time. As I have stated before, his foot work and easy touch around the basket are impressive. He does make a lot of things he does look easy. Thank you, Yurt for your decision to hone your skills at GU! I wonder how good last years team could have been if he had been granted eligibility. With him down low and Govan popping 3s. I hear you, man. I, for one, really thought the NCAA would have mercy on us and the Kid, and let him play immediately. Still can't figure out why he was not given immediate eligibility.
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Post by b52legend on Dec 23, 2019 11:00:50 GMT -5
I wonder how good last years team could have been if he had been granted eligibility. With him down low and Govan popping 3s. I hear you, man. I, for one, really thought the NCAA would have mercy on us and the Kid, and let him play immediately. Still can't figure out why he was not given immediate eligibility. With the increasing number of transfers, the clearing process is something that the NCAA needs to look at changing. It is opaque and decisions are often made that don’t seem to reconcile. Some guy will be given clearance to play at Gonzaga or Kansas, and another guy with almost identical circumstances at Georgetown or Illinois won’t be allowed to play.
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 23, 2019 11:01:19 GMT -5
At no point was I trying to disparage him or his play.
Would love to see him in the NBA - he absolutely has the talent to play and score there.
- but who plays like him in the NBA now? My comment was just that I don’t see a prototype for him. 10 years ago, I would have said Tim Duncan - he reminds me of Tim Duncan - but I don’t see that in the nba now. Please let me know if there are guys like that.
And yes it is totally selfish for me to say come back. I think you can make an argument a masters degree helps you - but I fully acknowledge there are millions of arguments against it too
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Post by madhoya on Dec 23, 2019 11:08:51 GMT -5
At no point was I trying to disparage him or his play. Would love to see him in the NBA - he absolutely has the talent to play and score there. - but who plays like him in the NBA now? My comment was just that I don’t see a prototype for him. 10 years ago, I would have said Tim Duncan - he reminds me of Tim Duncan - but I don’t see that in the nba now. Please let me know if there are guys like that. And yes it is totally selfish for me to say come back. I think you can make an argument a masters degree helps you - but I fully acknowledge there are millions of arguments against it too ...Tim Duncan was an ALLSTAR 4 years ago....so the NBA has changed since!!!!
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Post by b52legend on Dec 23, 2019 11:12:29 GMT -5
At no point was I trying to disparage him or his play. Would love to see him in the NBA - he absolutely has the talent to play and score there. - but who plays like him in the NBA now? My comment was just that I don’t see a prototype for him. 10 years ago, I would have said Tim Duncan - he reminds me of Tim Duncan - but I don’t see that in the nba now. Please let me know if there are guys like that. And yes it is totally selfish for me to say come back. I think you can make an argument a masters degree helps you - but I fully acknowledge there are millions of arguments against it too If he reminds you of Tim Duncan then he will make a lot of money in the NBA. I realize the game has changed in the NBA, but I’ll go out on a limb and say that Duncan could succeed in today’s NBA (or any era of basketball). He is arguably the greatest power forward of all time. I would say that Yurts game translates to being something like a Marc Gasol in the NBA. Would expect to see more stretch shots from him at the next level. His importance in the game is diminished from 10 years ago, but he did just start for the NBA champions. There is still a place in the league for a skilled center (just have to be able to shoot and defend the pick and roll).
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 23, 2019 12:13:31 GMT -5
At no point was I trying to disparage him or his play. Would love to see him in the NBA - he absolutely has the talent to play and score there. - but who plays like him in the NBA now? My comment was just that I don’t see a prototype for him. 10 years ago, I would have said Tim Duncan - he reminds me of Tim Duncan - but I don’t see that in the nba now. Please let me know if there are guys like that. And yes it is totally selfish for me to say come back. I think you can make an argument a masters degree helps you - but I fully acknowledge there are millions of arguments against it too If he reminds you of Tim Duncan then he will make a lot of money in the NBA. I realize the game has changed in the NBA, but I’ll go out on a limb and say that Duncan could succeed in today’s NBA (or any era of basketball). He is arguably the greatest power forward of all time. I would say that Yurts game translates to being something like a Marc Gasol in the NBA. Would expect to see more stretch shots from him at the next level. His importance in the game is diminished from 10 years ago, but he did just start for the NBA champions. There is still a place in the league for a skilled center (just have to be able to shoot and defend the pick and roll). Regarding that pick and roll defense, others have pointed this out and I watched it all day against Samford, when the high screen was set and Yurtseven hedged, as soon as he retreated to defend the roll the Samford point guard would follow him into the lane, using him as a blocker essentially. Not a lot came of it because of Samford's offensive weaknesses but it seemed like an effective strategy that could be employed to better effect by more talented opponents. Yurtseven didn't react or change anything all game but I hope the coaching staff will recognize the tactic and work on ways to counteract it.
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Post by madhoya on Dec 23, 2019 12:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 27, 2019 11:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by wponds on Jan 3, 2020 23:33:18 GMT -5
3-14 for 9 points. 5 rebounds. 0 blocks
I get that Gill and the other big dude are good on defense, but you gotta give a better effort than that
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 3, 2020 23:37:42 GMT -5
How hard is to teach a big man to defend the pick and roll when you have practice after practice to do it?
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 3, 2020 23:38:26 GMT -5
I think the effort was there but he was just freaked out playing against a bigger guy. Every time he touched the ball he hesitated or resorted to making himself small by falling away. Far and away his worst game as a Hoya.
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Post by nattybumpo3152 on Jan 3, 2020 23:42:43 GMT -5
3-14 for 9 points. 5 rebounds. 0 blocks I get that Gill and the other big dude are good on defense, but you gotta give a better effort than that Yurtseven is too one dimensional. He's got to stop thinking of dominating and start sharing the ball with his teammates. McClung can't save the whole team. I can totally understand why he became frustrated tonight. The Hoyas need to start playing like a team, again. Pass the ball around and find the open man. Ewing has been stressing teamwork all year long. His players have to start listening.
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Post by mdtd on Jan 4, 2020 0:18:07 GMT -5
I think the effort was there but he was just freaked out playing against a bigger guy. Every time he touched the ball he hesitated or resorted to making himself small by falling away. Far and away his worst game as a Hoya. His defensive effort after early first ha;f says otherwise to me. I saw so many plays with him walking and not focused. I hate the hard hedge as much as, if not more than the next guy, but he didn't do the system any favors. Plus, he took shots as if it was a shoot around at points. He wasn't moving the ball and wasn't focused. He was just jogging up to the free throw line and not moving on both sides of the ball. I was really upset with his performance tonight. I think people have been too harsh on him at times but tonight, it's incredibly hard not to be. He was atrocious.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2020 11:17:36 GMT -5
Why is his go to shot against players 4 inches shorter than him a turnaround fadeaway? He seems to hit them, but he should be attacking the basket more. When he went to the basket hard towards the end of last night’s game, he was able to draw fouls on a taller player. Would have been huge had he done that early on.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 4, 2020 11:39:43 GMT -5
Yurt is way too soft. Against big men of equal height and strength he gets dominated. I saw it in the Syracuse game. He was completely intimidated by the Cuse big man. Sure he scored some garbage baskets toward the end when we broke the Syracuse press but what we saw the last two games will be par for the course the rest of the way. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he does well against BE teams without a strong big and helps us win 5-6 bE games this year.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2020 12:06:40 GMT -5
9-9 seems optimistic, maybe? ☹️
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Post by beenaround on Jan 4, 2020 12:19:15 GMT -5
Obviously not only a poor game in every way, but also a poor effort, last night. That said, I am not going to write him off, and he may kick Gill's butt next time we play them. Will be interesting to see how Yurt responds.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 4, 2020 12:23:20 GMT -5
9-9 seems optimistic, maybe? ☹️ Delusional would be a better word.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 4, 2020 12:25:13 GMT -5
This is the spot where coaching has to step in and help him refine his game to take it back to the level it should be. Not only in his shot selection but in getting the team back to the share the ball concepts on offense and team defensive concepts that led to 6 straight wins.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 4, 2020 12:28:26 GMT -5
I don’t know if you heard the sound during last nights game but I, and I’m sure Omar Yurtseven, distinctly heard the sound of NBA owners wallets closing. If I were Ewing I would tel Yurt that he has 16 games to get those wallets open again.
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