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Post by pioneeer on Jan 4, 2020 0:30:48 GMT -5
I think Mac and the team will write a different chapter to this season the next game! Their effort tonight was not stellar but it provides a teachable moment on how you have to come out and play if you want to win in the Big East!
There are no easy games! As a fan I support the team and the coaches!
This team we lost to tonight comes to DC soon! Pay back is and must be a Bleep!
I’m old school! One turn deserves another!
My money is on the guys that stayed and make us proud every game win or loose! Although, I like winning best!🤣
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2020 0:39:38 GMT -5
Mac is the man here and gets to showcase his Gate City game. Why would he want to sit out a year to get lost in the shuffle somewhere? He seems to be a good fit.
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 4, 2020 0:58:02 GMT -5
Such a strange sentiment coming from someone who has posted over 2000 times on a Georgetown Hoya Men's Basketball website. The exact opposite of what I was thinking, which was why would anyone not want to be on a team with Mac? Puzzling! Been posting on this board since the mid 90’s. I made balla’s F you list!! No disrespect to you, balla, or the F you list, but I do not understand why a Georgetown Hoya basketball fan would ever think, let alone express, such a sentiment.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 4, 2020 1:03:38 GMT -5
I would say they're letting each other down... Ok. The guy who scores 20 and plays with heart is letting down the guys who are going thru the motions and not contributing. I don’t see that as equal. Jagan was horrible offensively tonight but I don't believe he was going through the motions, same for Allen... I think Pickett is much too passive but he gives effort, same for Yurt.. Plus playing with heart is very subjective imo...
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 4, 2020 1:15:36 GMT -5
Why would he want to leave? It's going to be his team next year, and if Yurt doesn't figure things out here pretty quick, it's gonna become his team the rest of this year too. Pretty sure he'd take that over playing 20 minutes a game as a 2nd or 3rd option for Gonzaga or something like that. Not to mention sitting out a whole year. Besides, the season is far from over... I for one haven't given up... just as easily as we lost these 2, we could win the next 2. There's still a lot basketball to be played. Absolutely. But he’s basically out there by himself. For the most part he was tonight, but that wasn't the case in the last 6 games, and I don't think it will be the case going forward. Also, as much as I'm sure Mac want's to be a part of a major contender, I'm sure his ultimate goal is making the NBA. He won't get a better chance to audition for the NBA than he's going to get with Georgetown next season. Beyond that, I think he really respects Coach Ewing, genuinely likes his teammates, likes playing close to home, and likes playing for Georgetown.
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Post by IDenj on Jan 4, 2020 7:05:01 GMT -5
Been posting on this board since the mid 90’s. I made balla’s F you list!! No disrespect to you, balla, or the F you list, but I do not understand why a Georgetown Hoya basketball fan would ever think, let alone express, such a sentiment. If you looked at it from his perspective it makes sense. Sometimes you have to step back and view it from a non Hoya fans perspective.
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Post by IDenj on Jan 4, 2020 7:12:35 GMT -5
Ok. The guy who scores 20 and plays with heart is letting down the guys who are going thru the motions and not contributing. I don’t see that as equal. Jagan was horrible offensively tonight but I don't believe he was going through the motions, same for Allen... I think Pickett is much too passive but he gives effort, same for Yurt.. Plus playing with heart is very subjective imo... Now that the level is ramped up in BE play, lack of depth will take its toll. But so will the give a stuff meter. It’s not fair to blame coach for players going off the deep end and leaving but in the end it rests on him. I see players out there playing selfishly, not playing smart, and not giving it their all. Except for Mac. He’s still going hard and trying to carry this team. Like I said earlier I don’t want him to leave as he’s my fav player. But losing takes an enormous amount of energy from you. And when you’ve seen the potential of a team all but disappear it goes beyond frustrating for a player.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 4, 2020 9:08:52 GMT -5
Unless it was part of the deal regarding the civil issues, yes. When did you label them as quitters? I can’t remember one poster saying JA and JL are quitters and will leave the program in a surprise manner. When they quit on their teammates a month into the season, leaving the team short handed with no opportunity to replace them.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2020 9:15:35 GMT -5
I will never buy into the narrative that nothing went down and that the school let the innocents down.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 4, 2020 9:37:04 GMT -5
Jagan was horrible offensively tonight but I don't believe he was going through the motions, same for Allen... I think Pickett is much too passive but he gives effort, same for Yurt.. Plus playing with heart is very subjective imo... Now that the level is ramped up in BE play, lack of depth will take its toll. But so will the give a stuff meter. It’s not fair to blame coach for players going off the deep end and leaving but in the end it rests on him. I see players out there playing selfishly, not playing smart, and not giving it their all. Except for Mac. He’s still going hard and trying to carry this team. Like I said earlier I don’t want him to leave as he’s my fav player. But losing takes an enormous amount of energy from you. And when you’ve seen the potential of a team all but disappear it goes beyond frustrating for a player. But the easiest thing to do in basketball is to take shots, just because Mac drove to the basket a lot doesn't mean he was ”playing harder” than other kids in my view... Bottom line is there is no point to speculating about a player transferring during the season in my opinion...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 4, 2020 10:02:48 GMT -5
These guys are giving it everything they have. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. If anything they are trying too hard at times and making mistakes by forcing things.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 4, 2020 10:28:10 GMT -5
Mod Note: this thread is about Mac McClung, take all the other stuff to the other threads discussing it.
This is also NOT a thread to discuss whether McClung should want to be here or not; that bumps into board rules territory.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Jan 4, 2020 12:37:14 GMT -5
I would say they're letting each other down... Ok. The guy who scores 20 and plays with heart is letting down the guys who are going thru the motions and not contributing. I don’t see that as equal. you're right that McClung is busting his ass to try to win as much or more than anyone else on this squad. But let's be real, he deserves a good share of the blame too - there were several times last night where I almost threw my remote watching him force up a shot when he had guys wide open around him. There was one time in the second half where he got in the lane and put up a floater that Gill swatted, and if Mac had just looked up, he'd have seen that nearly the entire defense had collapsed on him and both Allen and Mosely were standing in each corner with nobody within five feet of them. The right play would've been to kick it out to one of them for the open shot. it's not just Mac, though, but that play exemplifies the issue right now in my mind. If the Hoyas are going to win, this team has got to get back to that unselfish sharing team mentality that they had during the winning streak. They've slowly gotten away from that over the last couple games, and guys are now looking to try to make plays on their own way too often instead of making the extra pass and looking for the best shot for the team on every possession. Mac has to realize now that he's the de facto leader of the team, and he has to set the tone by showing that unselfishness and playing a smarter and more complete game rather than just trying to outscore the other guys. if we can get that teamwork back, this team can play with anybody in the conference - I know there's a lot of folks giving up on us right now, but the last two games are not representative of what this team can do when they're playing the right way. This was a wake-up call, and I'm hopeful that these guys are smart enough to realize that they're not going to be successful until they get back to sharing the ball and trusting each other to make plays instead of trying to make it all happen individually. They have to pull together again somehow - if they can do that, and I believe they can, this can be a successful season.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Jan 4, 2020 12:39:24 GMT -5
Would you say Mac then isn’t doing his part? He’s letting others down? I would say they're letting each other down... 100% agreed - top to bottom, these guys need to start playing more unselfishly and trusting each other to make plays.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 4, 2020 12:52:30 GMT -5
It is a tough balance. We have 2 go-to guys on offense and the rest are role players who can't be counted on for more than a handful of points. So when Yurt or Mac is having an off night, we don't have that third consistent option to pick up the slack (had hoped Jamarko could be that guy, but he has not been - still not giving up on him). Then the other guys try to play outside their abilities leading to forced shots and passes. Hard to be patient when things aren't working, but the alternative has been pretty disastrous.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2020 13:08:26 GMT -5
We have two legitimate offensive threats. Opponent needs to take it to Yurtseven and get two quick fouls on him, game over. He is a step slow, not really bouncy and prone to fouling.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 6, 2020 13:58:42 GMT -5
Plus playing with heart is very subjective imo... Spot on. People usually equate "playing with heart" with either a very high motor, a fiery disposition or attitude, and/or a strong attitude. Similarly, guys who have more reserved personalities are often tagged (unfairly, I think), with being passive, apathetic, etc., when in reality a less overtly expressive guy could be just as passionate as a fiery one. This isn't unique to Georgetown, of course, it's really applied by commentators in all sports. It's also often why certain guys become massive superstars in MLB, NFL, etc., whereas other guys are also really good but never quite get to the same level of stardom.
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Post by wponds on Jan 6, 2020 14:01:41 GMT -5
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Post by nattybumpo3152 on Jan 7, 2020 2:45:58 GMT -5
The team is playing hard. Maybe, they had a few rough games after a really tough non-conference schedule. Mac got hurt. It was a freakish accident. He's a tough loyal kid and people flat out like him. Stop slinging mud in his direction. He's a great player who obviously feels tremendous loyalty to his team. Applaud that virtue, because we have already seen the players who lack it.
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Post by bigelephant on Jan 7, 2020 4:37:11 GMT -5
The team is playing hard. Maybe, they had a few rough games after a really tough non-conference schedule. Mac got hurt. It was a freakish accident. He's a tough loyal kid and people flat out like him. Stop slinging mud in his direction. He's a great player who obviously feels tremendous loyalty to his team. Applaud that virtue, because we have already seen the players who lack it. Ditto.
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