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Post by guru on May 17, 2020 9:12:17 GMT -5
a) it was rumored he was transferring by that point, I cannot believe that Ewing isn't aware and more keyed into that than we were - so Ewing is misleading Georgetown fans b) he was still in the draft, and it harmed his professional prospects by causing confusion as to whether he was continuing the process Here's the timeline: Apr 23 : Twitter account posts McClung transfer rumor May 1 : Mac posts pictures of signing with an agent May 1 : Twitter account doubles down on McClung transfer rumor May 2 : McClung hoophd interview speaks glowingly of Ewing May 4 : Bryan Kalbrosky posts a report that sounded like it was sourced by McClung or his agent that McClung is rumored to transfer but is still interested in staying in the draft May 5 : A day after that, Ewing does the Katz interview and says he's coming back, still a month to go from the deadline May 5 : an hour later, both McClung and his agent refute Ewing Even under the charitable interpretation that McClung told Ewing that at some point, which both McClung and his agent refute, it wasn't Ewing's place to say that and it gets in the way of McClung conducting his process. “Misleading Georgetown fans”?? Grow up. Sorry to break it to you bud but certainty is an illusion. What appears to be is seldom what is. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. (Sports) interviews aren’t suppose to be interpreted verbatim. Add to that this is the most bizarre offseason of our lifetimes, you expect 100% peer-reviewed and researched interviews telling us exactly what the world will look like in 6 months? For all you know covid was the main driver in Mac’s decision... B) didn’t confuse the draft process at all, NBA GMs aren’t as easily distractable as some of the minds on this board....not to mention the implication is it affected the process negatively, which at that point he would have heard most all he needed to hear and wasn’t getting drafted anyway. You, sir or ma’am, are fully taking the bait. Anyone with a real desire to be objective and understand the truth could see that Ewing was being deliberate, and though clearly a lot of people don’t agree with the way he went about it, he was obviously protecting the TEAM, owes nothing to Mac at the end of the day, and it likely wasn’t by accident. Even if it was, it was by accident because it’s such a small detail and didn’t matter. Like I said in another post, if Mac didn’t want there to be any confusion he and his agent shouldn’t have isolated themselves from the program and chose not to communicate. So even after all that the blame/responsibility lies squarely at their feet, not coach’s. The onus is on Mac to update Ewing, especially if he thinks it might have an impact on his process. Much more likely the agent messed up, and by the defensive and (subtly) nonprofessional tone in his tweets after he showed his hand. Mac forgets that as popular as he is Ewing is still more well known......not his place to say anything? Boy, (if I’m Ewing) you’re lucky you’re allowed to do interviews every two seconds. Kid is still a kid and Ewing an adult. Again the onus is on Mac to communicate it if it’s something that important to him. Ewing at that point likely knew Mac was dragging the process out. Knew he was transferring (we hear those rumors much later than our staff does), so you’d have preferred he just waited a few months and held our whole offseason strategy hostage? He honestly didn’t even need to go through the predraft process, just listen to your coach who has been there and done that longer than some of the folks you’re trying to talk to. I had hopes that Mac would one day transition his game to more of a facilitator, but he just never had the chance to get in a rhythm before he and Omer got hurt and like several others have said, he had the ball way more than enough he wasn’t able to change his mindset yet. Which kinda a makes sense because the college game hasn’t even slowed down yet for his normal game, much less for adding new dimension. It will definitely take some time if it even happens (2-3 years?) Not to mention if you’re old school (or have a brain/a kid’s interests at heart) you kinda assume all underclassman who aren’t guaranteed draft picks to test and come back by default. Obviously Mac could have led him to believe that too. And the timeline you posted, to me, seems more like the agent was being strategic the whole time and the “positive” interview about Ewing was just pr fluff to set up a transfer....do you really not see that in your timeline? Again, some of these bits of info our staff knows days, weeks, or months before the info becomes public. You’re also making the assumption things are only set into motion when they’re put out into the public.....ladies and gents we’ve come full circle, please refer to paragraph one. The coach "owes nothing" to the players who put their trust in his guidance and abilities and choose to come play for him? That's a weird one.
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Post by rockhoya on May 17, 2020 9:32:57 GMT -5
“Misleading Georgetown fans”?? Grow up. Sorry to break it to you bud but certainty is an illusion. What appears to be is seldom what is. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. (Sports) interviews aren’t suppose to be interpreted verbatim. Add to that this is the most bizarre offseason of our lifetimes, you expect 100% peer-reviewed and researched interviews telling us exactly what the world will look like in 6 months? For all you know covid was the main driver in Mac’s decision... B) didn’t confuse the draft process at all, NBA GMs aren’t as easily distractable as some of the minds on this board....not to mention the implication is it affected the process negatively, which at that point he would have heard most all he needed to hear and wasn’t getting drafted anyway. You, sir or ma’am, are fully taking the bait. Anyone with a real desire to be objective and understand the truth could see that Ewing was being deliberate, and though clearly a lot of people don’t agree with the way he went about it, he was obviously protecting the TEAM, owes nothing to Mac at the end of the day, and it likely wasn’t by accident. Even if it was, it was by accident because it’s such a small detail and didn’t matter. Like I said in another post, if Mac didn’t want there to be any confusion he and his agent shouldn’t have isolated themselves from the program and chose not to communicate. So even after all that the blame/responsibility lies squarely at their feet, not coach’s. The onus is on Mac to update Ewing, especially if he thinks it might have an impact on his process. Much more likely the agent messed up, and by the defensive and (subtly) nonprofessional tone in his tweets after he showed his hand. Mac forgets that as popular as he is Ewing is still more well known......not his place to say anything? Boy, (if I’m Ewing) you’re lucky you’re allowed to do interviews every two seconds. Kid is still a kid and Ewing an adult. Again the onus is on Mac to communicate it if it’s something that important to him. Ewing at that point likely knew Mac was dragging the process out. Knew he was transferring (we hear those rumors much later than our staff does), so you’d have preferred he just waited a few months and held our whole offseason strategy hostage? He honestly didn’t even need to go through the predraft process, just listen to your coach who has been there and done that longer than some of the folks you’re trying to talk to. I had hopes that Mac would one day transition his game to more of a facilitator, but he just never had the chance to get in a rhythm before he and Omer got hurt and like several others have said, he had the ball way more than enough he wasn’t able to change his mindset yet. Which kinda a makes sense because the college game hasn’t even slowed down yet for his normal game, much less for adding new dimension. It will definitely take some time if it even happens (2-3 years?) Not to mention if you’re old school (or have a brain/a kid’s interests at heart) you kinda assume all underclassman who aren’t guaranteed draft picks to test and come back by default. Obviously Mac could have led him to believe that too. And the timeline you posted, to me, seems more like the agent was being strategic the whole time and the “positive” interview about Ewing was just pr fluff to set up a transfer....do you really not see that in your timeline? Again, some of these bits of info our staff knows days, weeks, or months before the info becomes public. You’re also making the assumption things are only set into motion when they’re put out into the public.....ladies and gents we’ve come full circle, please refer to paragraph one. The coach "owes nothing" to the players who put their trust in his guidance and abilities and choose to come play for him? That's a weird one. Fundamentally, yes. No one is entitled to any kind of special treatment. Other people are not responsible for your happiness nor are you responsible for other people’s happiness. Ewing can choose to treat Mac well, but he isn’t required to. Ewing also presumably puts his trust in Mac, it’s a two way street. No reason to keep your coach out of the loop if you’re “putting your trust in his guidance”....Mac literally chose not to do that. Not to trust him to be involved. He literally trusted a dude he presumably just met off the internet a few months prior more. But Ewing was supposed to keep the same loyalty? Im of the mind that kids defer to adults. Did Mac technically and fundamentally owe Ewing the chance to be part of the process just because he made a decision to join his team a few years prior? No, because Mac is his own man with his own beliefs and desires. He could’ve chosen to but he didn’t. If kids can’t handle competition at a D1 basketball school they shouldn’t be thinking they’re ready for the league, unless they plan on being the last man on the roster (where they don’t have to worry about why other players are favored). Then again, if a player is motivated more by money than by wins they could be “ready” for the NBA 🤷🏽♂️. I’m of the mind that the best competitors (and players) don’t need the motivation of a paycheck gangling in front of them to go out and snatch souls. People are trying to paint it like Ewing should’ve been looking out for Mac’s interest #1 above all else without considering the dynamics of why he might not.
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Post by TC on May 17, 2020 9:46:17 GMT -5
a) it was rumored he was transferring by that point, I cannot believe that Ewing isn't aware and more keyed into that than we were - so Ewing is misleading Georgetown fans b) he was still in the draft, and it harmed his professional prospects by causing confusion as to whether he was continuing the process Here's the timeline: Apr 23 : Twitter account posts McClung transfer rumor May 1 : Mac posts pictures of signing with an agent May 1 : Twitter account doubles down on McClung transfer rumor May 2 : McClung hoophd interview speaks glowingly of Ewing May 4 : Bryan Kalbrosky posts a report that sounded like it was sourced by McClung or his agent that McClung is rumored to transfer but is still interested in staying in the draft May 5 : A day after that, Ewing does the Katz interview and says he's coming back, still a month to go from the deadline May 5 : an hour later, both McClung and his agent refute Ewing Even under the charitable interpretation that McClung told Ewing that at some point, which both McClung and his agent refute, it wasn't Ewing's place to say that and it gets in the way of McClung conducting his process. With regard to (a) I don't see what purpose there would be for Ewing to mislead fans. I think it is possible that he had knowledge McClung was withdrawing from the draft, and assumed he was coming back; at most, he was oblivious to the likelihood of a transfer, which is concerning in and of itself. With regard to (b) there is zero chance that Ewing's statement in an interview impacted the kid's professional prospects, that is a huge reach. I don't see what purpose there is to misleading fans either other than to make yourself look better to Andy Katz or - as njhoylawya suggested - he wanted to force the issue by ending McClung's process so Ewing could get resolution and free up McClung's scholarship because he knew he was transferring. And yes, it affects your professional prospects when you can't get input because teams don't call you back because they think you've announced you are returning. From April 23->May 5, Mac McClung transferring or staying in the draft was the biggest thing we talked about here. Patrick Ewing is not Mr. Magoo, I don't understand how you suggest that he's oblivious to that. And if he is oblivious to the widespread rumors that his best player is transferring, when it's all over the place, what does that say about him? I give him more credit than that, not sure why you don't. Here's the interview Ewing did on May 11 : www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/05/11/qa-patrick-ewing-georgetown-recruiting-mac-mcclung-last-dance/As far as I know, that's the only press he did that discussed the team between May 5 and May 11. There was no attempt to apologize or to say anything positive about McClung, and he was pretty effusive about Jalen Harris. I think he had written McClung off by then. They then signed another combo guard a day before McClung's transfer - which if you think McClung is returning, do you sign an unranked 2* at his position?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 17, 2020 10:10:53 GMT -5
Yes I think he definitely knew McClung was leaving before he signed Berger. If he was forcing the issue he still ends looking foolish, oblivious or both. Not a good look for him or the program.
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Post by saxagael on May 17, 2020 10:42:56 GMT -5
Mac has schools showing interest who are stacked with young really good point guards and 4 and 5 star players coming in. Two that are showing interest have great coaches for training point guards. Gonzaga and Arizona State both have interest. Gonzaga is currently really thin at point, Mac won't be able to help until a year sitting out and Gonzaga often redshirts their guards to get them understanding the types of offenses it runs, but also get more point guard skills (seeing one or two passes ahead, creating to get others open or in position for an easy basket, and reading the floor for others not thenselves). Hurley at Arizona State would be a good fit to grow him into the player Mac seems to want to shift to. Hurley is a really good PG coach and runs offenses that lean on solid point guards who can also work off ball. AS has a 4 star pg, who will be a sophomore next year and three 2 stars (one of them is fairly good). Hurley has run two PG offenses and is solid. Mac has a still has a lot to learn and the point guard front, but has always been open to listening, learning, and then doing. What is a two point guard offense? Two units? Running 2 point guards at the same time. Depending which defense is showing or who else is on the floor one of he two will take a more pure point guard role. In the St. Mary's offense when they were running it 2 to 3 years ago, the set plays can start with either PG, but running multiple plays in one possession and having either point lead those the looks the defense has to cover causes difficulties. Whe Hurley ran it at RI both were also really good off ball players, but at St. Mary's one of the two was much better off ball outside shooting and the other more physical driving. Having both really good PGs read the floor very well and communicate with each other and can run set plays or ad lib for single or 2 plays getting players open.
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Post by professorhoya on May 17, 2020 11:10:21 GMT -5
What is a two point guard offense? Two units? Running 2 point guards at the same time. Depending which defense is showing or who else is on the floor one of he two will take a more pure point guard role. In the St. Mary's offense when they were running it 2 to 3 years ago, the set plays can start with either PG, but running multiple plays in one possession and having either point lead those the looks the defense has to cover causes difficulties. Whe Hurley ran it at RI both were also really good off ball players, but at St. Mary's one of the two was much better off ball outside shooting and the other more physical driving. Having both really good PGs read the floor very well and communicate with each other and can run set plays or ad lib for single or 2 plays getting players open. So if you can play with 2 point guard at the same time then GateCityAllStar and Daniel Hazan's rationale for Mac leaving falls apart since the Hoyas could also play 2 point guards at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 11:20:45 GMT -5
What makes Bazz Napier and Devontae Graham better prospects than Mac? Answer that question accurately and you’ll understand my point. For starters, both of those guys were far more polished players coming out of high school, and their rankings reflected that. Graham was around 40, Napier 80.. Mac was in the mid 200's. Secondly, neither of those guys was considered a combo guard coming out of high school. Both were considered pure point guards. Either guy playing off the ball in college would've been a result of there being other really, really good options at PG (Mason & Boatwright) but their coach wanting to have both guys out on the floor. Beyond that, Graham did start at PG as a senior. Napier shared PG duties throughout college with Boatwright. Neither guy was exclusively a SG throughout college as Mac has been thus far. At the end of the day no one was going to question Graham or Napier's PG abilities because they were always PG's to begin with, regardless if they had to adjust and play some SG in order to find playing time. Mac on the other hand was really just a basketball player coming out of high school. He was far more raw skills wise than those guys. Why? Because he was a late starter/bloomer at the sport. He had one summer of AAU ball playing with and against high level guys. Aside from that he had 4 years of playing with and against probably some of the worst competition in the country in high school. I don't know Napier and Grahams history, but I imagine like most kids they were playing AAU ball at a young age, playing in camps with other high level kids, and playing with and against much better competition than Mac had in Gate City at their high schools. So of course they are going to be more polished players than Mac at their position. They both likely had a huge head start and a major competition advantage. You can also take into account the winning factor. Graham played for Kansas, a perennial top 5 school just about every year. Napier was the best player on a national championship team. Mac's team hasn't even been to the NCAA tournament yet, and was unlikely to get there next season even if he returned. I think where we disagree is that you and many others seem to think Mac can simply play SG but take on more of a facilitator role at that position. In doing so this would show NBA teams he can play PG. I disagree. I believe he has to actually play PG to show teams he can play PG. Again, Mac doesn't have the past history of being a high level PG in high school and on AAU teams. He still has to learn the position. Those guys already knew the position. The only way you learn the position is to play the position. Also, look at guys like Howard and Powell. I am sure they heard the same stuff Mac is hearing. So why didn't they take on that facilitator SG role like everyone says Mac should do? Maybe they are mentally incapable of it like you all think Mac is. Or maybe they did what their team needed them to do which was score points. Mac was going to need to score more than ever next season, not be a facilitator. Before the Harris transfer I think Mac would've had an opportunity to do both. Score a bunch and facilitate a bunch (think a poor man's Ja Morant role), because quite frankly he was the best at both things that was remaining on the roster. Once Harris transferred, he trumped Mac as a better facilitator, so that bumped Mac back over to full time scorer and back in the Powell/Howard role which NBA folks don't have much interest in when you're 6'2. This is where we differ. Regardless of what position they played they showed the ability to score, facilitate, and make the players around them better. They're multidimensional players that you can run an offense through and trust they will make the right decision. That includes the ability to score, or set up a teammate. Recognizing mismatches and exploiting them. Knowing the difference between a bad shot, good shot, and great shot. Being patient enough to allow the offense to work before going at it alone. Knowing when to back it up and restart the offense if necessary. It didn't matter what position they played. They're approach to the game is that of a pg. They see the game and act like a coach on the floor. Scouts see that and know it translates. Mac can play whatever position he wants, but until his mental approach changes and becomes more like those players he won't be regarded as much of a pg prospect. Playing pg and being one are completely different things. If his mental approach was similar to those players it wouldn't matter what position he played. On a side note you mentioned Westbrook's approach never being like a true point and scouts overlooking that. I think it's important to mention the numbers tell a different story. Russ led UCLA in assists at nearly 5 a game from the 2 spot, and only averaged 14ppg as a Soph before jumping to the NBA. Those are stats of a lead guard prospect.
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Post by EtomicB on May 17, 2020 11:30:37 GMT -5
For starters, both of those guys were far more polished players coming out of high school, and their rankings reflected that. Graham was around 40, Napier 80.. Mac was in the mid 200's. Secondly, neither of those guys was considered a combo guard coming out of high school. Both were considered pure point guards. Either guy playing off the ball in college would've been a result of there being other really, really good options at PG (Mason & Boatwright) but their coach wanting to have both guys out on the floor. Beyond that, Graham did start at PG as a senior. Napier shared PG duties throughout college with Boatwright. Neither guy was exclusively a SG throughout college as Mac has been thus far. At the end of the day no one was going to question Graham or Napier's PG abilities because they were always PG's to begin with, regardless if they had to adjust and play some SG in order to find playing time. Mac on the other hand was really just a basketball player coming out of high school. He was far more raw skills wise than those guys. Why? Because he was a late starter/bloomer at the sport. He had one summer of AAU ball playing with and against high level guys. Aside from that he had 4 years of playing with and against probably some of the worst competition in the country in high school. I don't know Napier and Grahams history, but I imagine like most kids they were playing AAU ball at a young age, playing in camps with other high level kids, and playing with and against much better competition than Mac had in Gate City at their high schools. So of course they are going to be more polished players than Mac at their position. They both likely had a huge head start and a major competition advantage. You can also take into account the winning factor. Graham played for Kansas, a perennial top 5 school just about every year. Napier was the best player on a national championship team. Mac's team hasn't even been to the NCAA tournament yet, and was unlikely to get there next season even if he returned. I think where we disagree is that you and many others seem to think Mac can simply play SG but take on more of a facilitator role at that position. In doing so this would show NBA teams he can play PG. I disagree. I believe he has to actually play PG to show teams he can play PG. Again, Mac doesn't have the past history of being a high level PG in high school and on AAU teams. He still has to learn the position. Those guys already knew the position. The only way you learn the position is to play the position. Also, look at guys like Howard and Powell. I am sure they heard the same stuff Mac is hearing. So why didn't they take on that facilitator SG role like everyone says Mac should do? Maybe they are mentally incapable of it like you all think Mac is. Or maybe they did what their team needed them to do which was score points. Mac was going to need to score more than ever next season, not be a facilitator. Before the Harris transfer I think Mac would've had an opportunity to do both. Score a bunch and facilitate a bunch (think a poor man's Ja Morant role), because quite frankly he was the best at both things that was remaining on the roster. Once Harris transferred, he trumped Mac as a better facilitator, so that bumped Mac back over to full time scorer and back in the Powell/Howard role which NBA folks don't have much interest in when you're 6'2. This is where we differ. Regardless of what position they played they showed the ability to score, facilitate, and make the players around them better. They're multidimensional players that you can run an offense through and trust they will make the right decision. That includes the ability to score, or set up a teammate. Recognizing mismatches and exploiting them. Knowing the difference between a bad shot, good shot, and great shot. Being patient enough to allow the offense to work before going at it alone. Knowing when to back it up and restart the offense if necessary. It didn't matter what position they played. They're approach to the game is that of a pg. They see the game and act like a coach on the floor. Scouts see that and know it translates. Mac can play whatever position he wants, but until his mental approach changes and becomes more like those players he won't be regarded as much of a pg prospect. Playing pg and being one are completely different things. If his mental approach was similar to those players it wouldn't matter what position he played. On a side note you mentioned Westbrook's approach never being like a true point and scouts overlooking that. I think it's important to mention the numbers tell a different story. Russ led UCLA in assists at nearly 5 a game from the 2 spot, and only averaged 14ppg as a Soph before jumping to the NBA. Those are stats of a lead guard prospect. Very well stated...
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Post by professorhoya on May 17, 2020 11:30:59 GMT -5
With regard to (a) I don't see what purpose there would be for Ewing to mislead fans. I think it is possible that he had knowledge McClung was withdrawing from the draft, and assumed he was coming back; at most, he was oblivious to the likelihood of a transfer, which is concerning in and of itself. With regard to (b) there is zero chance that Ewing's statement in an interview impacted the kid's professional prospects, that is a huge reach. I don't see what purpose there is to misleading fans either other than to make yourself look better to Andy Katz or - as njhoylawya suggested - he wanted to force the issue by ending McClung's process so Ewing could get resolution and free up McClung's scholarship because he knew he was transferring. And yes, it affects your professional prospects when you can't get input because teams don't call you back because they think you've announced you are returning. From April 23->May 5, Mac McClung transferring or staying in the draft was the biggest thing we talked about here. Patrick Ewing is not Mr. Magoo, I don't understand how you suggest that he's oblivious to that. And if he is oblivious to the widespread rumors that his best player is transferring, when it's all over the place, what does that say about him? I give him more credit than that, not sure why you don't. Here's the interview Ewing did on May 11 : www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/05/11/qa-patrick-ewing-georgetown-recruiting-mac-mcclung-last-dance/As far as I know, that's the only press he did that discussed the team between May 5 and May 11. There was no attempt to apologize or to say anything positive about McClung, and he was pretty effusive about Jalen Harris. I think he had written McClung off by then. They then signed another combo guard a day before McClung's transfer - which if you think McClung is returning, do you sign an unranked 2* at his position? Picking up Berger is covering yourself. With the NBA draft and combine being postponed indefinitely (and next season likely starting in January 2021), you can't handcuff yourself to a decision that might not come till July or August. I hear you on the other stuff but I don't think there was much of an impact on that statement because Mac decided to pull himself out of the draft so quickly. You would think that if he really had a shot at the draft that he would have stayed in the draft as long as possible to get more feedback and showcase more of his game (if there possibly does end up being Portsmouth, Chicago or a Combine in July or August. If he had done that then I think your analysis would have more credence. Instead he pulled out of the draft pretty quickly after the statement and also announced his transfer at the same time. This indicates to me that the NBA/G League feedback he already received was not positive at all and that Team Hazan realized that they had no shot at the NBA this year. And it's more likely they pulled out of the draft as quick as possible while there are still ideal landing spots like BYU to transfer to. I think what probably happened is the planter factis foot injury started to make Mac think that his high octane, balls to the walls, above the rim NBA style was not sustainable in the long term for his body and that he had to start to convert himself to a TJ McConnell NBA backup type with more athleticism. And then the draft feedback kind of reaffirmed that he had to convert to a TJ McConnell type facilitator. And then from the Hazan side you want to separate him from Ewing, Falk and the program because then Hazan becomes the one constant link to Mac (which can pay dividends in the future) at the new school as well as the former school. Mac probably called Ewing and said he was pulling out of he draft but just couldn't get himself to say that he was transferring at the same time. So then Ewing misconstrued that as coming back and then Hazan had to come in and clean it up with what they were aiming for all along. I think Team Hazan's plan was for him to transfer all along, but at the end of the day none of this speculation matters because either way Mac is gone, probably to BYU, where he can be part of the BYU "family" and be mentored by a role model in 6-2 shooting guard Jimmer Ferdette and have what could be a good team with 7-3 Dutch Perdue grad transfer Matt Harms if there is a 2020-2021 season.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 17, 2020 11:49:49 GMT -5
I question Mac’s ability to bring the ball up and still have the legs under him to shoot consistently. He hasn’t had to expend energy bring up the ball under pressure and plays lazy defense, often cheating to get steals. Not sure if he has the stamina to play PG and score.
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Post by TC on May 17, 2020 11:58:59 GMT -5
Picking up Berger is covering yourself. With the NBA draft and combine being postponed indefinitely (and next season likely starting in January 2021), you can't handcuff yourself to a decision that might not come till July or August. The deadline to pull yourself out of the draft is June 15th, so I don't think that's true. We started recruiting Nike Sibande in late April at the same time as the transfer rumor, we were mentioned on Jalen Carey on May 4th. I think they had a good idea that he was not coming back in late April, which is why that Katz interview was so bad on so many levels. I think they knew the Mac transfer thing was a definite at the point that they inked Berger. I also think Georgetown is more attractive to a Berger if you know McClung isn't around for another two years. The weird thing about the Ewing-getting-impatient-and-forcing the issue theory is it is very likely that there's no college basketball next year and the entire Senior class becomes grad transfers. In that situation, having open scholarships is great and a Nike Sibande or a Jalen Carey aren't must-haves that you need to blow up your relationship with your best player who might be transferring to get in on them. This I agree with - I think he definitely pulled out early to get himself in the best possible transfer situation. Whether he could have gotten a two-way deal or something like that, I don't know.
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Post by professorhoya on May 17, 2020 12:12:28 GMT -5
Picking up Berger is covering yourself. With the NBA draft and combine being postponed indefinitely (and next season likely starting in January 2021), you can't handcuff yourself to a decision that might not come till July or August. The deadline to pull yourself out of the draft is June 15th, so I don't think that's true. We started recruiting Nike Sibande in late April at the same time as the transfer rumor, we were mentioned on Jalen Carey on May 4th. I think they had a good idea that he was not coming back in late April, which is why that Katz interview was so bad on so many levels. I think they knew the Mac transfer thing was a definite at the point that they inked Berger. I also think Georgetown is more attractive to a Berger if you know McClung isn't around for another two years. The weird thing about the Ewing-getting-impatient-and-forcing the issue theory is it is very likely that there's no college basketball next year and the entire Senior class becomes grad transfers. In that situation, having open scholarships is great and a Nike Sibande or a Jalen Carey aren't must-haves that you need to blow up your relationship with your best player who might be transferring to get in on them. This I agree with - I think he definitely pulled out early to get himself in the best possible transfer situation. Whether he could have gotten a two-way deal or something like that, I don They have postponed the combine and NBA draft. I have not seen them move the deadline yet but that would logically follow from moving the draft back to July/August or even later. Since the 2020-2021 season won't start till January 2021 at the earliest theoretically you could have the draft in September and then have the "summer/rookie" league as late as November/December.
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Post by professorhoya on May 17, 2020 12:20:33 GMT -5
I question Mac’s ability to bring the ball up and still have the legs under him to shoot consistently. He hasn’t had to expend energy bring up the ball under pressure and plays lazy defense, often cheating to get steals. Not sure if he has the stamina to play PG and score. I mean we will have to see. I felt last year what he worked on over the summer was his 3pt shot (which seemed promising) and getting leaner to increase speed/quickness). But it just seemed like he lost muscle mass and wasn't any faster (maybe even less explosive). And instead of being a running back driving into the lane and having people bounce off him like freshman season, he couldn't muscle in with a defensive back body. So my feeling is he needs to keep that muscle mass but have a more efficient game to conserve energy and pick and choose when to explode. Kind of a Jimmer Ferdette muscular body but use it without wasted motion or energy. I think at the next level it's about playing smart no matter you're level of athleticism because of the elite level and the long 82 game season. When Jeremy Lin was struggling to make it in the league, he already had above average lateral quickness and a decent vertical but he was jumping really high on his 3pt shot which made him fatigue quicker and make his shot less consistent. One of the NBA trainers/shot guys told him to jump less on his 3pt shot, which conserves energy, leads to a quicker release and a more consistent shot. In his case that was the difference probably between sticking in the league and going back to Harvard Business School. And that guy had a score first mentality going back to Harvard like Mac.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on May 17, 2020 12:49:04 GMT -5
Running 2 point guards at the same time. Depending which defense is showing or who else is on the floor one of he two will take a more pure point guard role. In the St. Mary's offense when they were running it 2 to 3 years ago, the set plays can start with either PG, but running multiple plays in one possession and having either point lead those the looks the defense has to cover causes difficulties. Whe Hurley ran it at RI both were also really good off ball players, but at St. Mary's one of the two was much better off ball outside shooting and the other more physical driving. Having both really good PGs read the floor very well and communicate with each other and can run set plays or ad lib for single or 2 plays getting players open. So if you can play with 2 point guard at the same time then GateCityAllStar and Daniel Hazan's rationale for Mac leaving falls apart since the Hoyas could also play 2 point guards at the same time. Playing at point guard position doesn't mean they are a good point guard. There is a lot to it. On the Team Loaded B team Mac was on he played a little PG, but mostly off ball. From this last season Allen is a really good PG doing what good point gaurd does, how the see the floor, how they create for others. Mac isn't at that level and has a bit of work to do to get to the level of good high school PGs coming in. It is doable, but needs work. Having sat in sessions for late middle school and high school players with former NBA point guards and top college point guards, that are working to share their knowledge of how to think and work very differently to be a point guard the way good point guards see, think, and play is different than a player just playing at that position.
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Post by wilknow on May 17, 2020 12:53:08 GMT -5
feeling out of place!!
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 17, 2020 12:59:03 GMT -5
Mac hunts for himself from the wing, if there’s nothing there, he let’s the other four teammates come up with something. Distributing the ball is not in his DNA.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 17, 2020 13:10:21 GMT -5
...a one man show.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on May 17, 2020 13:16:46 GMT -5
Please don’t do this folks...
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HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on May 17, 2020 13:18:06 GMT -5
You could tell from his TikTok videos! And his IG account! Where were his teammates in any of his stories/posts? He is a one man show on and off the court! But really, you could see all season that Q, Omer, Terrell, Jagan, Juggy, Morko, Georgey were much more supportive of each other, posting/reposting about each other, way more than Mac did. Mac would just repost his teammates' stuff if it included him or he was tagged in it, but he never initiated any showing of camaraderie on his page. For god's sake, he can't ruin his image for his IG crowd! Also, I praised Mac when Akinjo left due to selfish reason, and I'll eat crow right now, I didn't realize until mid/late season that Mac was no different. I kept my comments to myself because he was still a Hoya. In hindsight, I wish Akinjo stayed after the UNCG game and Mac transferred. Akinjo is less likely to get injured and probably would have stayed for the possible 2020-21 season if he wasn't going to get drafted. I know he doesn't follow orders but at least he would still be on the court, and maybe his attitude would've changed if there was no Mac.
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HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on May 17, 2020 13:20:08 GMT -5
Please don’t do this folks... He shot first! Pew pew pew! (I've been playing too many video games during quarantine, specifically Warzone!)
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