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Post by saxagael on May 16, 2020 17:29:09 GMT -5
I'm really curious to see where Mac goes. He is wanting to be a PG, but currently is lacking the skills. Many schools have incoming freshman with much better point guard skills with a running a team, distribution, being selfless (not that Mac isn't, but that removes his ability to score). He needs to build the skills and improve what he has, which likely will hurt the skills he does have and advantages he has. If Mac were 6'4" and has the game he currently has NBA would be looking for him to be more of a distribution and run the team guy. His strength is well paired with a really solid point guard who draws attention and have Mac make them pay. Mac's defense also doesn't work in his favor. Transferring gives make a year to learn a lot, but needs a program who can and wants to train him, but then get a year working the new skills into what he has, then another year to perfect it. I have no clue where that is going to be. I can't see anybody at Georgetown's level or higher doing that as they have players already with what he needs and are younger and improving. He likely would have been better putting Patrick up to the challenge (not sure the coaching is on staff to help Mac make the needed transition). Mac understands he needs the work to improve his game, as well as the opportunity. If you look at a player like Jordan Ford from St. Mary's California he is a really good point guard with better size, same athleticism, and can shoot the lights out. But Ford is looking at the outside of the NBA draft. Ford coming out of high school was a better point guard that Mac is now (there it is one of the toughest positions on the floor other than from a shooting, dribbling, defending, and athletic perspective, then need everything else on top of those skills and understanding). Plenty of decent schools that don't have much at PG next year. Closest thing Maryland has is Eric Ayala who's a 6'5 shooting guard. Closest thing BYU has is Alex Barcello who averaged 1.8 assists per game last year. Probably at least another 10 good basketball schools that don't have much at PG next year. He's actually lucky because most team's rosters are pretty much set so he can evaluate what team's roster makes the most sense. On the other hand since Akinjo jumped ship in the middle of the season and picked AZ so early, now they went and got some grad transfer PG who might be better than him and a freshman who's really good. That team now has like 4 legit point guards. He definitely will be in a far worse situation than he was at Georgetown. As for the Ford comparison, I just don't see it. You say he has better size? Mac is listed at 6'2 185, Ford 6'1 175... based on the eye test Mac looks even bigger than the numbers suggest. Either way Mac is the bigger guy. Equal athlete? Not even close. All of Ford's drives to the baskets he avoids contact and uses floaters. Mac initiates contact and uses his elite jumping and hang time for acrobatic finishes. Ford is a great shooter and highly skilled but not a great PG... he averaged 2.3 assists in 38 mins last year. I'd say Ford compares a lot more to Marcus Howard. They have similar playing style, body types, and athleticism. I swore Ford was 6'3". I've stood next to both of them and Mac is a very generous listing at 6'2". Ford seemed taller. There is a lot more to being a point guard than assists, particularly in a Gaels' offense where some years they run two PGs. The point guard often shifts or drives to an area to create space for others, usually off a second pass and not the first pass (which Hoyas were doing a fair amount last year in half court sets with good results). Understanding how to control the pace to take advantage of a gaps or weaknesses by players out of position, but also shift the tempo when slowing things down for a quick cut or open player as the defense is settling into half court defense. Ford came out of high school with a lot of this, but St. Mary's had his sit and learn their slower pace and defense first approach that often eats clock then moves with 10 seconds left for a 2 to 6 pass scoring play. That is ability to run the team and control it two or more passes ahead is point guard skill. Mac does play a lot more physically, but that is a good way to get injured and loose physical ability through getting worn down. The attacking the basket is more of a 2 guard approach with both have, it is the point guard skills that Mac is lacking and will be needing good coaching to make that solid transition. But, Ford's defense is much better than Mac's, but he is also two years ahead (Mac's defense improved a ton this past year). This past year having Allen running point was great to see as that is what a solid really good point guard can bring and does what a good point guard is supposed to do. Mixing what Mac has to getting to where Allen is a year or two of work away. Mac can do it, but finding a spot that fits will be interesting. Mac doesn't meet any of the basic requirements for a waiver for next year. He can apply, but rules changes, if there are any are going to apply for the '21-'22 season. He has a year to focus and learn and hopefully not get recruited over.
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Post by TC on May 16, 2020 17:31:01 GMT -5
The ship has sailed, but the question is - Would the Hoyas have been better next year with Mac as the point guard playing 20+ minutes as the main point, then some off the ball - or Mac not on the team at all? I don't really think that's the question, because I don't really think this boils down to whether Ewing would have let Mac play PG or not. Mac had similar assists, steals, and turnover statistics as Jalen Harris did last year. Mac played the 2. Harris played the 1. Mac easily would have been better at PG. The issue is, if you want to go to the NBA and showcase PG skills, you need some good options to dish to. This team really has none.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 16, 2020 17:32:40 GMT -5
Mac has to do what is best for Mac. As I have stated before, it seems like he is getting advice from several sources. Nothing is wrong with that either. However, it should not be expected that we would shift things around to accommodate Mac.
I will say this: it stinks a little bit how he made his separation from the team. Especially if he had told his coach he was returning.
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Post by saxagael on May 16, 2020 18:03:50 GMT -5
I'm really curious to see where Mac goes. He is wanting to be a PG, but currently is lacking the skills. Many schools have incoming freshman with much better point guard skills with a running a team, distribution, being selfless (not that Mac isn't, but that removes his ability to score). He needs to build the skills and improve what he has, which likely will hurt the skills he does have and advantages he has. If Mac were 6'4" and has the game he currently has NBA would be looking for him to be more of a distribution and run the team guy. His strength is well paired with a really solid point guard who draws attention and have Mac make them pay. Mac's defense also doesn't work in his favor. Transferring gives make a year to learn a lot, but needs a program who can and wants to train him, but then get a year working the new skills into what he has, then another year to perfect it. I have no clue where that is going to be. I can't see anybody at Georgetown's level or higher doing that as they have players already with what he needs and are younger and improving. He likely would have been better putting Patrick up to the challenge (not sure the coaching is on staff to help Mac make the needed transition). Mac understands he needs the work to improve his game, as well as the opportunity. If you look at a player like Jordan Ford from St. Mary's California he is a really good point guard with better size, same athleticism, and can shoot the lights out. But Ford is looking at the outside of the NBA draft. Ford coming out of high school was a better point guard that Mac is now (there it is one of the toughest positions on the floor other than from a shooting, dribbling, defending, and athletic perspective, then need everything else on top of those skills and understanding). Plenty of decent schools that don't have much at PG next year. Closest thing Maryland has is Eric Ayala who's a 6'5 shooting guard. Closest thing BYU has is Alex Barcello who averaged 1.8 assists per game last year. Probably at least another 10 good basketball schools that don't have much at PG next year. He's actually lucky because most team's rosters are pretty much set so he can evaluate what team's roster makes the most sense. On the other hand since Akinjo jumped ship in the middle of the season and picked AZ so early, now they went and got some grad transfer PG who might be better than him and a freshman who's really good. That team now has like 4 legit point guards. He definitely will be in a far worse situation than he was at Georgetown. As for the Ford comparison, I just don't see it. You say he has better size? Mac is listed at 6'2 185, Ford 6'1 175... based on the eye test Mac looks even bigger than the numbers suggest. Either way Mac is the bigger guy. Equal athlete? Not even close. All of Ford's drives to the baskets he avoids contact and uses floaters. Mac initiates contact and uses his elite jumping and hang time for acrobatic finishes. Ford is a great shooter and highly skilled but not a great PG... he averaged 2.3 assists in 38 mins last year. I'd say Ford compares a lot more to Marcus Howard. They have similar playing style, body types, and athleticism. Mac has schools showing interest who are stacked with young really good point guards and 4 and 5 star players coming in. Two that are showing interest have great coaches for training point guards. Gonzaga and Arizona State both have interest. Gonzaga is currently really thin at point, Mac won't be able to help until a year sitting out and Gonzaga often redshirts their guards to get them understanding the types of offenses it runs, but also get more point guard skills (seeing one or two passes ahead, creating to get others open or in position for an easy basket, and reading the floor for others not thenselves). Hurley at Arizona State would be a good fit to grow him into the player Mac seems to want to shift to. Hurley is a really good PG coach and runs offenses that lean on solid point guards who can also work off ball. AS has a 4 star pg, who will be a sophomore next year and three 2 stars (one of them is fairly good). Hurley has run two PG offenses and is solid. Mac has a still has a lot to learn and the point guard front, but has always been open to listening, learning, and then doing.
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Post by mdtd on May 16, 2020 18:10:59 GMT -5
Plenty of decent schools that don't have much at PG next year. Closest thing Maryland has is Eric Ayala who's a 6'5 shooting guard. Closest thing BYU has is Alex Barcello who averaged 1.8 assists per game last year. Probably at least another 10 good basketball schools that don't have much at PG next year. He's actually lucky because most team's rosters are pretty much set so he can evaluate what team's roster makes the most sense. On the other hand since Akinjo jumped ship in the middle of the season and picked AZ so early, now they went and got some grad transfer PG who might be better than him and a freshman who's really good. That team now has like 4 legit point guards. He definitely will be in a far worse situation than he was at Georgetown. As for the Ford comparison, I just don't see it. You say he has better size? Mac is listed at 6'2 185, Ford 6'1 175... based on the eye test Mac looks even bigger than the numbers suggest. Either way Mac is the bigger guy. Equal athlete? Not even close. All of Ford's drives to the baskets he avoids contact and uses floaters. Mac initiates contact and uses his elite jumping and hang time for acrobatic finishes. Ford is a great shooter and highly skilled but not a great PG... he averaged 2.3 assists in 38 mins last year. I'd say Ford compares a lot more to Marcus Howard. They have similar playing style, body types, and athleticism. Mac has schools showing interest who are stacked with young really good point guards and 4 and 5 star players coming in. Two that are showing interest have great coaches for training point guards. Gonzaga and Arizona State both have interest. Gonzaga is currently really thin at point, Mac won't be able to help until a year sitting out and Gonzaga often redshirts their guards to get them understanding the types of offenses it runs, but also get more point guard skills (seeing one or two passes ahead, creating to get others open or in position for an easy basket, and reading the floor for others not thenselves). Hurley at Arizona State would be a good fit to grow him into the player Mac seems to want to shift to. Hurley is a really good PG coach and runs offenses that lean on solid point guards who can also work off ball. AS has a 4 star pg, who will be a sophomore next year and three 2 stars (one of them is fairly good). Hurley has run two PG offenses and is solid. Mac has a still has a lot to learn and the point guard front, but has always been open to listening, learning, and then doing. Luther Muhammad is committed there as an expected sit one transfer, too.
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Post by rockhoya on May 16, 2020 18:20:39 GMT -5
Mac has schools showing interest who are stacked with young really good point guards and 4 and 5 star players coming in. Two that are showing interest have great coaches for training point guards. Gonzaga and Arizona State both have interest. Gonzaga is currently really thin at point, Mac won't be able to help until a year sitting out and Gonzaga often redshirts their guards to get them understanding the types of offenses it runs, but also get more point guard skills (seeing one or two passes ahead, creating to get others open or in position for an easy basket, and reading the floor for others not thenselves). Hurley at Arizona State would be a good fit to grow him into the player Mac seems to want to shift to. Hurley is a really good PG coach and runs offenses that lean on solid point guards who can also work off ball. AS has a 4 star pg, who will be a sophomore next year and three 2 stars (one of them is fairly good). Hurley has run two PG offenses and is solid. Mac has a still has a lot to learn and the point guard front, but has always been open to listening, learning, and then doing. Luther Muhammad is committed there as an expected sit one transfer, too. It would be really cool if we could just trade.
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Post by prhoya on May 16, 2020 19:03:47 GMT -5
I wonder if Ben S. lastmanstandig can get an exit interview or follow up to his Mac interview, which now seems like BS from Mac’s side.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 19:04:26 GMT -5
Devontae Graham played SG for 3 of his 4 years at Kansas. He was always regarded as a pg prospect. Westbrook played sg at UCLA. Kemba Walker played way more 2 than 1 at UConn. Shabazz Napier after Kemba left mostly played the 2. It’s how you play the game that matters. I guess you missed everything I wrote. All of those guys are/were way better prospects than Mac. Westbrooks approach to the game then or now has never been anything like Lebron or that of a true PG. He's so talented though that it doesn't matter. Again, the better prospect they consider you to be the more they will overlook certain things. Mac isn't good enough at this point in his career to make it as a non PG. His agent said " The feedback that he got from (NBA) teams was that they wanted to see him facilitating more, being more of a point guard role..."Maybe he could've done that next year at Georgetown while still playing SG by simply changing his mentality. I don't think so, but I guess you do. We'll just have to agree to disagree there. Either way, if he finds a school with little to no options at PG that promises him the starting PG role and lives up to that promise, then he will ultimately have a much better opportunity than he would've had by trying to showcase his PG skills as a SG at Georgetown. Maybe you all are right... maybe he can't play PG, just can't do it, doesn't have the mentality for it. Well guess what. When the season is over you can laugh and say I told you so. Or maybe he gets a major injury and it doesn't matter. Maybe he surprises everyone and thrives in that role. Maybe he truly doesn't even care about playing PG and something else was the driving force behind his transfer and he ends picking a school that's loaded at PG. Why don't we just wait and see how it all shakes out? What makes Bazz Napier and Devontae Graham better prospects than Mac? Answer that question accurately and you’ll understand my point.
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Post by dense on May 16, 2020 19:31:41 GMT -5
The ship has sailed, but the question is - Would the Hoyas have been better next year with Mac as the point guard playing 20+ minutes as the main point, then some off the ball - or Mac not on the team at all? I don't really think that's the question, because I don't really think this boils down to whether Ewing would have let Mac play PG or not. Mac had similar assists, steals, and turnover statistics as Jalen Harris did last year. Mac played the 2. Harris played the 1. Mac easily would have been better at PG. The issue is, if you want to go to the NBA and showcase PG skills, you need some good options to dish to. This team really has none. Harris didnt play that as much under Mussleman so I dont think you can use stats to say that at all. Look at Harris as a starter under Anderson. Those stats show he has a really high A/to. Watching his tape he is way better as a PG. His handle is ridiculous and ability to find people is way above Mac. Like I said in another post his passing ahead in transition is the one thing I'm looking forward to because he is okay with getting "hockey assists"
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Post by cindad on May 16, 2020 20:08:07 GMT -5
I guess you missed everything I wrote. All of those guys are/were way better prospects than Mac. Westbrooks approach to the game then or now has never been anything like Lebron or that of a true PG. He's so talented though that it doesn't matter. Again, the better prospect they consider you to be the more they will overlook certain things. Mac isn't good enough at this point in his career to make it as a non PG. His agent said " The feedback that he got from (NBA) teams was that they wanted to see him facilitating more, being more of a point guard role..."Maybe he could've done that next year at Georgetown while still playing SG by simply changing his mentality. I don't think so, but I guess you do. We'll just have to agree to disagree there. Either way, if he finds a school with little to no options at PG that promises him the starting PG role and lives up to that promise, then he will ultimately have a much better opportunity than he would've had by trying to showcase his PG skills as a SG at Georgetown. Maybe you all are right... maybe he can't play PG, just can't do it, doesn't have the mentality for it. Well guess what. When the season is over you can laugh and say I told you so. Or maybe he gets a major injury and it doesn't matter. Maybe he surprises everyone and thrives in that role. Maybe he truly doesn't even care about playing PG and something else was the driving force behind his transfer and he ends picking a school that's loaded at PG. Why don't we just wait and see how it all shakes out? What makes Bazz Napier and Devontae Graham better prospects than Mac? Answer that question accurately and you’ll understand my point. Though they were playing off the ball, they knew how to reposition themselves to open up lanes for not only teammates with the ball but teammates off the ball too. Even though they were given the ball in scoring positions or situations if they saw teammates in a better position they could deliver the ball to them, or they understood spots to attack the basket, but where to watch for plays to develop off the ball that create an easier basket. So if I drive to the block, understand who the rotation man, know where the open space is at on the floor. If a teammate starts moving to that spot, I put the ball there for them to catch it. So if I begin my drive, collapsing defenders means someone is coming open, not that I need to stop and pop, or stop and reverse the ball back out. I keep the ball moving towards the basket.
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Post by professorhoya on May 16, 2020 20:11:09 GMT -5
Plenty of decent schools that don't have much at PG next year. Closest thing Maryland has is Eric Ayala who's a 6'5 shooting guard. Closest thing BYU has is Alex Barcello who averaged 1.8 assists per game last year. Probably at least another 10 good basketball schools that don't have much at PG next year. He's actually lucky because most team's rosters are pretty much set so he can evaluate what team's roster makes the most sense. On the other hand since Akinjo jumped ship in the middle of the season and picked AZ so early, now they went and got some grad transfer PG who might be better than him and a freshman who's really good. That team now has like 4 legit point guards. He definitely will be in a far worse situation than he was at Georgetown. As for the Ford comparison, I just don't see it. You say he has better size? Mac is listed at 6'2 185, Ford 6'1 175... based on the eye test Mac looks even bigger than the numbers suggest. Either way Mac is the bigger guy. Equal athlete? Not even close. All of Ford's drives to the baskets he avoids contact and uses floaters. Mac initiates contact and uses his elite jumping and hang time for acrobatic finishes. Ford is a great shooter and highly skilled but not a great PG... he averaged 2.3 assists in 38 mins last year. I'd say Ford compares a lot more to Marcus Howard. They have similar playing style, body types, and athleticism. Mac has schools showing interest who are stacked with young really good point guards and 4 and 5 star players coming in. Two that are showing interest have great coaches for training point guards. Gonzaga and Arizona State both have interest. Gonzaga is currently really thin at point, Mac won't be able to help until a year sitting out and Gonzaga often redshirts their guards to get them understanding the types of offenses it runs, but also get more point guard skills (seeing one or two passes ahead, creating to get others open or in position for an easy basket, and reading the floor for others not thenselves). Hurley at Arizona State would be a good fit to grow him into the player Mac seems to want to shift to. Hurley is a really good PG coach and runs offenses that lean on solid point guards who can also work off ball. AS has a 4 star pg, who will be a sophomore next year and three 2 stars (one of them is fairly good). Hurley has run two PG offenses and is solid. Mac has a still has a lot to learn and the point guard front, but has always been open to listening, learning, and then doing. What is a two point guard offense? Two units?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 16, 2020 20:42:53 GMT -5
We were not going to let Mac play point next year. We basically grabbed one of the best assist guys to run things for a season. For good or bad, Mac is a one man show.
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Post by Omega on May 16, 2020 23:02:52 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me the issue with Coach Ewing saying Mac was coming back.
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 16, 2020 23:13:13 GMT -5
We were not going to let Mac play point next year. We basically grabbed one of the best assist guys to run things for a season. For good or bad, Mac is a one man show. This is the whole story. McClung and AKinjo both had committed to other schools before they committed to Georgetown. Both came to the Hoyas because the team was in dire need for guards especially a pg. Both were used to having the ball in their hands the majority of the game. Akinjo was more of the prototypical pg who could also be a scorer if needed, McClung was more of a pg in the mold of Iverson. He was the show for his HS team and he wanted to be that at Georgetown. Ewing chose the prototypical guard over the Iverson model. With the guards recruited this year, McClung knew that Ewing had not changed his mindset, so the talk of skipping to the NBA began. Whether or not he seriously thought he was ready for the NBA is of little importance, he probably had already decided to move on if not to NBA then to another program where he could be that “main man” again with the ball in his hands the majority of the time. Every serious college player wants to find a way to the NBA so no one can blame him for that. Like others on this board I think his statement on leaving was not a good one. It sounded like Ewing had not given him the opportunity to be the player he was in HS and was not going to do so in the future so he had no choice but to leave. Unless Ewing promised him before he signed that he would be the PG at Georgetown no matter what, then this was unfair to Ewing. Ewing coached Kemba Walker in the NBA and I am sure would love to have someone like him now. Akinjo was closer to Walker-like than McClung so he got the nod at PG. Akinjo was not the finisher or distributor that Walker is so Ewing had issues when he would not get others involved as he wanted. McClung was a better finisher than Akinjo, but was even less of a distributor than AKinjo. So the Hoyas are without a go to guy at start of the season but I believe they will find one in short order and be ok at seasons end.
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Post by cgallstar02 on May 16, 2020 23:29:49 GMT -5
What makes Bazz Napier and Devontae Graham better prospects than Mac? Answer that question accurately and you’ll understand my point. For starters, both of those guys were far more polished players coming out of high school, and their rankings reflected that. Graham was around 40, Napier 80.. Mac was in the mid 200's. Secondly, neither of those guys was considered a combo guard coming out of high school. Both were considered pure point guards. Either guy playing off the ball in college would've been a result of there being other really, really good options at PG (Mason & Boatwright) but their coach wanting to have both guys out on the floor. Beyond that, Graham did start at PG as a senior. Napier shared PG duties throughout college with Boatwright. Neither guy was exclusively a SG throughout college as Mac has been thus far. At the end of the day no one was going to question Graham or Napier's PG abilities because they were always PG's to begin with, regardless if they had to adjust and play some SG in order to find playing time. Mac on the other hand was really just a basketball player coming out of high school. He was far more raw skills wise than those guys. Why? Because he was a late starter/bloomer at the sport. He had one summer of AAU ball playing with and against high level guys. Aside from that he had 4 years of playing with and against probably some of the worst competition in the country in high school. I don't know Napier and Grahams history, but I imagine like most kids they were playing AAU ball at a young age, playing in camps with other high level kids, and playing with and against much better competition than Mac had in Gate City at their high schools. So of course they are going to be more polished players than Mac at their position. They both likely had a huge head start and a major competition advantage. You can also take into account the winning factor. Graham played for Kansas, a perennial top 5 school just about every year. Napier was the best player on a national championship team. Mac's team hasn't even been to the NCAA tournament yet, and was unlikely to get there next season even if he returned. I think where we disagree is that you and many others seem to think Mac can simply play SG but take on more of a facilitator role at that position. In doing so this would show NBA teams he can play PG. I disagree. I believe he has to actually play PG to show teams he can play PG. Again, Mac doesn't have the past history of being a high level PG in high school and on AAU teams. He still has to learn the position. Those guys already knew the position. The only way you learn the position is to play the position. Also, look at guys like Howard and Powell. I am sure they heard the same stuff Mac is hearing. So why didn't they take on that facilitator SG role like everyone says Mac should do? Maybe they are mentally incapable of it like you all think Mac is. Or maybe they did what their team needed them to do which was score points. Mac was going to need to score more than ever next season, not be a facilitator. Before the Harris transfer I think Mac would've had an opportunity to do both. Score a bunch and facilitate a bunch (think a poor man's Ja Morant role), because quite frankly he was the best at both things that was remaining on the roster. Once Harris transferred, he trumped Mac as a better facilitator, so that bumped Mac back over to full time scorer and back in the Powell/Howard role which NBA folks don't have much interest in when you're 6'2.
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Post by TC on May 17, 2020 1:28:39 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me the issue with Coach Ewing saying Mac was coming back. a) it was rumored he was transferring by that point, I cannot believe that Ewing isn't aware and more keyed into that than we were - so Ewing is misleading Georgetown fans b) he was still in the draft, and it harmed his professional prospects by causing confusion as to whether he was continuing the process Here's the timeline: Apr 23 : Twitter account posts McClung transfer rumor May 1 : Mac posts pictures of signing with an agent May 1 : Twitter account doubles down on McClung transfer rumor May 2 : McClung hoophd interview speaks glowingly of Ewing May 4 : Bryan Kalbrosky posts a report that sounded like it was sourced by McClung or his agent that McClung is rumored to transfer but is still interested in staying in the draft May 5 : A day after that, Ewing does the Katz interview and says he's coming back, still a month to go from the deadline May 5 : an hour later, both McClung and his agent refute Ewing Even under the charitable interpretation that McClung told Ewing that at some point, which both McClung and his agent refute, it wasn't Ewing's place to say that and it gets in the way of McClung conducting his process.
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Post by jwp91 on May 17, 2020 6:39:17 GMT -5
The ship has sailed, but the question is - Would the Hoyas have been better next year with Mac as the point guard playing 20+ minutes as the main point, then some off the ball - or Mac not on the team at all? Not on the team at all
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Post by rockhoya on May 17, 2020 7:39:59 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me the issue with Coach Ewing saying Mac was coming back. a) it was rumored he was transferring by that point, I cannot believe that Ewing isn't aware and more keyed into that than we were - so Ewing is misleading Georgetown fans b) he was still in the draft, and it harmed his professional prospects by causing confusion as to whether he was continuing the process Here's the timeline: Apr 23 : Twitter account posts McClung transfer rumor May 1 : Mac posts pictures of signing with an agent May 1 : Twitter account doubles down on McClung transfer rumor May 2 : McClung hoophd interview speaks glowingly of Ewing May 4 : Bryan Kalbrosky posts a report that sounded like it was sourced by McClung or his agent that McClung is rumored to transfer but is still interested in staying in the draft May 5 : A day after that, Ewing does the Katz interview and says he's coming back, still a month to go from the deadline May 5 : an hour later, both McClung and his agent refute Ewing Even under the charitable interpretation that McClung told Ewing that at some point, which both McClung and his agent refute, it wasn't Ewing's place to say that and it gets in the way of McClung conducting his process. “Misleading Georgetown fans”?? Grow up. Sorry to break it to you bud but certainty is an illusion. What appears to be is seldom what is. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. (Sports) interviews aren’t suppose to be interpreted verbatim. Add to that this is the most bizarre offseason of our lifetimes, you expect 100% peer-reviewed and researched interviews telling us exactly what the world will look like in 6 months? For all you know covid was the main driver in Mac’s decision... B) didn’t confuse the draft process at all, NBA GMs aren’t as easily distractable as some of the minds on this board....not to mention the implication is it affected the process negatively, which at that point he would have heard most all he needed to hear and wasn’t getting drafted anyway. You, sir or ma’am, are fully taking the bait. Anyone with a real desire to be objective and understand the truth could see that Ewing was being deliberate, and though clearly a lot of people don’t agree with the way he went about it, he was obviously protecting the TEAM, owes nothing to Mac at the end of the day, and it likely wasn’t by accident. Even if it was, it was by accident because it’s such a small detail and didn’t matter. Like I said in another post, if Mac didn’t want there to be any confusion he and his agent shouldn’t have isolated themselves from the program and chose not to communicate. So even after all that the blame/responsibility lies squarely at their feet, not coach’s. The onus is on Mac to update Ewing, especially if he thinks it might have an impact on his process. Much more likely the agent messed up, and by the defensive and (subtly) nonprofessional tone in his tweets after he showed his hand. Mac forgets that as popular as he is Ewing is still more well known......not his place to say anything? Boy, (if I’m Ewing) you’re lucky you’re allowed to do interviews every two seconds. Kid is still a kid and Ewing an adult. Again the onus is on Mac to communicate it if it’s something that important to him. Ewing at that point likely knew Mac was dragging the process out. Knew he was transferring (we hear those rumors much later than our staff does), so you’d have preferred he just waited a few months and held our whole offseason strategy hostage? He honestly didn’t even need to go through the predraft process, just listen to your coach who has been there and done that longer than some of the folks you’re trying to talk to. I had hopes that Mac would one day transition his game to more of a facilitator, but he just never had the chance to get in a rhythm before he and Omer got hurt and like several others have said, he had the ball way more than enough he wasn’t able to change his mindset yet. Which kinda a makes sense because the college game hasn’t even slowed down yet for his normal game, much less for adding new dimension. It will definitely take some time if it even happens (2-3 years?) Not to mention if you’re old school (or have a brain/a kid’s interests at heart) you kinda assume all underclassman who aren’t guaranteed draft picks to test and come back by default. Obviously Mac could have led him to believe that too. And the timeline you posted, to me, seems more like the agent was being strategic the whole time and the “positive” interview about Ewing was just pr fluff to set up a transfer....do you really not see that in your timeline? Again, some of these bits of info our staff knows days, weeks, or months before the info becomes public. You’re also making the assumption things are only set into motion when they’re put out into the public.....ladies and gents we’ve come full circle, please refer to paragraph one.
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Post by njhoyalawya on May 17, 2020 7:52:34 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me the issue with Coach Ewing saying Mac was coming back. a) it was rumored he was transferring by that point, I cannot believe that Ewing isn't aware and more keyed into that than we were - so Ewing is misleading Georgetown fans b) he was still in the draft, and it harmed his professional prospects by causing confusion as to whether he was continuing the process Here's the timeline: Apr 23 : Twitter account posts McClung transfer rumor May 1 : Mac posts pictures of signing with an agent May 1 : Twitter account doubles down on McClung transfer rumor May 2 : McClung hoophd interview speaks glowingly of Ewing May 4 : Bryan Kalbrosky posts a report that sounded like it was sourced by McClung or his agent that McClung is rumored to transfer but is still interested in staying in the draft May 5 : A day after that, Ewing does the Katz interview and says he's coming back, still a month to go from the deadline May 5 : an hour later, both McClung and his agent refute Ewing Even under the charitable interpretation that McClung told Ewing that at some point, which both McClung and his agent refute, it wasn't Ewing's place to say that and it gets in the way of McClung conducting his process. This is a good summary of events. It is hard to believe that Coach did not know of the transfer rumors -- even if he is not too active on social media, some of those around him are most certainly engaged. The whole thing makes no sense. Did he really think MM was returning (based upon the feedback he heard from his NBA contacts and prior statements by MM that he would be back if not drafted), or was he done with the waiting game and uncertainty created by agent/MM and decided to bring it to a head? I can imagine it is very difficult to not know whether an "integral" part of your team is returning, and whether you need to fill that spot, particularly with the current roster challenges. Especially because this is Hoya basketball, we'll never know. But, I will say that there has been a lot of strange, possible "red flags" surrounding MM over the last 2 years. Recall his Freshman year, after he had his December break-out game and received national recognition and wide-spread media attention -- he literally disappeared! He was not at the next game, and coach said he was somewhere at the arena with his leg up. Then, he was not in the photos of the team out-and-about over the holidays. Nobody knew where he was. Then he eventually returned to play, and nothing further was said. But comments out of Gate City on social media (not sure they can be relied upon) referenced problems getting along with his team mates. He returns for this past season, saying he "reinvented" himself -- covered up his tattoos, changed his diet, was toning down his swag. Then he does not travel with the team to the Big East Tournament. After that, the testing of waters, transfer rumors, etc. I don't know what it is, but I would say that there are some things behind the scene with this kid that do raise some questions/red flags. It may be a headache that we truly are better without. And, looking at Tyler Beard, I think he is a MUCH better version of MM. He is athletic, high energy and exciting to watch -- and seems to be more skilled than MM was as an incoming Freshman. I am now closing the door on MM!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 17, 2020 9:03:51 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me the issue with Coach Ewing saying Mac was coming back. a) it was rumored he was transferring by that point, I cannot believe that Ewing isn't aware and more keyed into that than we were - so Ewing is misleading Georgetown fans b) he was still in the draft, and it harmed his professional prospects by causing confusion as to whether he was continuing the process Here's the timeline: Apr 23 : Twitter account posts McClung transfer rumor May 1 : Mac posts pictures of signing with an agent May 1 : Twitter account doubles down on McClung transfer rumor May 2 : McClung hoophd interview speaks glowingly of Ewing May 4 : Bryan Kalbrosky posts a report that sounded like it was sourced by McClung or his agent that McClung is rumored to transfer but is still interested in staying in the draft May 5 : A day after that, Ewing does the Katz interview and says he's coming back, still a month to go from the deadline May 5 : an hour later, both McClung and his agent refute Ewing Even under the charitable interpretation that McClung told Ewing that at some point, which both McClung and his agent refute, it wasn't Ewing's place to say that and it gets in the way of McClung conducting his process. With regard to (a) I don't see what purpose there would be for Ewing to mislead fans. I think it is possible that he had knowledge McClung was withdrawing from the draft, and assumed he was coming back; at most, he was oblivious to the likelihood of a transfer, which is concerning in and of itself. With regard to (b) there is zero chance that Ewing's statement in an interview impacted the kid's professional prospects, that is a huge reach.
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