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Post by EasyEd on Nov 18, 2021 15:36:40 GMT -5
Always been a fan of Mac so my opinions might reflect that but Mac has so many skills. In looking at the past two games, he's lightening quick, seems to have developed his dribbling skills a lot, is dishing out assists, and, overall seems to be much better since leaving Georgetown. His shortcoming is still his shooting. Will he be able to get much better at that remains to be seen. Also, the highlights don't show he had too many turnovers. And lastly, I've never seen any player that falls to the floor as much as Mac. That could shorten whatever career he attempts.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Nov 21, 2021 23:33:55 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 7, 2021 18:51:09 GMT -5
I think Hoyaboya was just throwing up another softball for you guys to throw down at the rim. Maybe so, but it does bring up an interesting counter argument to the "Aminu is a certain one and done" perspective. I.e., previously if a kid--even if not really ready for the leap to the NBA/Europe--wanted to start monetizing his talents, the only option was to go pro. Now, that same kid, particularly if marketable, can theoretically make as much, if not more, than what he would make in the G-League (or equivalent). So, hypothetical choice for Aminu could be between (A) go pro, but end up in the G-League, which even if Exhibit 10 is likely under $100k/year, and as a member of the Grand Rapids Gold pretty minimal exposure and NIL opportunities; or (B) stay at Georgetown, work on the parts of his game which he'll need at the next level, and use the GU/Big East/NCAA platform to land NIL deals worth $200k. Not saying this will really be the choice Aminu faces, but it will be some version of this for Aminu and plenty of other fringe pro-prospects. I'll be honest that I don't really understand the "influencer" thing, or how follower numbers are really valued financially--but whether 11k or 111k, no reason why Aminu couldn't make a killer Eastern Motors commercial. I think the good case study would be Scott Vermillion/Gate City All Star advising Mac to go G-League instead of staying at Texas Tech or transferring to UK. Would make have made much more in NIL money at Texas Tech or as a dunking side show at UK then at the South Bay Lakers? I think he definitely lost out on NIL money and exposure for his brand (on ESPN if he were at TT or Kentucky) instead of being hidden away in the G League that nobody watches. Only way I see him not losing out is if he gets on the main Lakers roster (unlikely this year) or somehow is allowed into the NBA All Star Game dunk contest. But otherwise it was a colossal mistake by his handler, Scott Vermillion. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 7, 2021 19:11:12 GMT -5
I think the good case study would be Scott Vermillion/Gate City All Star advising Mac to go G-League instead of staying at Texas Tech or transferring to UK. Would make have made much more in NIL money at Texas Tech or as a dunking side show at UK then at the South Bay Lakers? I think he definitely lost out on NIL money and exposure for his brand (on ESPN if he were at TT or Kentucky) instead of being hidden away in the G League that nobody watches. Only way I see him not losing out is if he gets on the main Lakers roster (unlikely this year) or somehow is allowed into the NBA All Star Game dunk contest. But otherwise it was a colossal mistake by his handler, Scott Vermillion. If this number is correct, Mac's not worried abut NIL. www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/mac-mcclung-74267/ |
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 7, 2021 19:35:06 GMT -5
I think the good case study would be Scott Vermillion/Gate City All Star advising Mac to go G-League instead of staying at Texas Tech or transferring to UK. Would make have made much more in NIL money at Texas Tech or as a dunking side show at UK then at the South Bay Lakers? I think he definitely lost out on NIL money and exposure for his brand (on ESPN if he were at TT or Kentucky) instead of being hidden away in the G League that nobody watches. Only way I see him not losing out is if he gets on the main Lakers roster (unlikely this year) or somehow is allowed into the NBA All Star Game dunk contest. But otherwise it was a colossal mistake by his handler, Scott Vermillion. If this number is correct, Mac's not worried abut NIL. www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/mac-mcclung-74267/I figured two way players made more than exhibit 10 players but the G league and all those contracts are quite confusing, but he def could've made a ton with being the big man in the Big 12 at TT or UK with YouTube alone or sponsorships |
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 7, 2021 19:39:03 GMT -5
I think the good case study would be Scott Vermillion/Gate City All Star advising Mac to go G-League instead of staying at Texas Tech or transferring to UK. Would make have made much more in NIL money at Texas Tech or as a dunking side show at UK then at the South Bay Lakers? I think he definitely lost out on NIL money and exposure for his brand (on ESPN if he were at TT or Kentucky) instead of being hidden away in the G League that nobody watches. Only way I see him not losing out is if he gets on the main Lakers roster (unlikely this year) or somehow is allowed into the NBA All Star Game dunk contest. But otherwise it was a colossal mistake by his handler, Scott Vermillion. If this number is correct, Mac's not worried abut NIL. www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/mac-mcclung-74267/Pretty sure that $925k is the rookie level minimum in the NBA, and that under under an Exhibit 10 (what Mac is on), none of that amount is guaranteed. If he does play in the NBA for a few games, he would get a pro-rata portion of that $925--if he doesn't play a game in the NBA, he would get the G-League deal plus a modest Exhibit 10 bonus (totaling well under $100k). Turning back to Aminu, if he makes the NBA, even as the last guy on the bench, its clearly a good financial move. But if chances are low that he'd get to the NBA in his first pro-season, the stay in college route appears pretty good by comparison. |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 7, 2021 22:25:08 GMT -5
I think the good case study would be Scott Vermillion/Gate City All Star advising Mac to go G-League instead of staying at Texas Tech or transferring to UK. Would make have made much more in NIL money at Texas Tech or as a dunking side show at UK then at the South Bay Lakers? I think he definitely lost out on NIL money and exposure for his brand (on ESPN if he were at TT or Kentucky) instead of being hidden away in the G League that nobody watches. Only way I see him not losing out is if he gets on the main Lakers roster (unlikely this year) or somehow is allowed into the NBA All Star Game dunk contest. But otherwise it was a colossal mistake by his handler, Scott Vermillion. If this number is correct, Mac's not worried abut NIL. www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/mac-mcclung-74267/Numbers wrong. "Some players also receive bonuses from their Exhibit 10 contracts, which reward them up to $50K if they spend at least 60 days with their team's G League affiliate. Theoretically, a player could earn $87K when taking into account his Exhibit 10 bonus (if the full $50K is included) and G League salary." Oct 17, 2021 He's looking at $87K. He only makes more if it's converted to a 2 way spot or he gets some games in the NBA. |
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Post by saxagael on Dec 7, 2021 22:45:50 GMT -5
Do we have any sense how much any of these guys are getting via NIL deals? 11,000 Instagram followers is a lot for a college basketball player, but it's also not enough where he can command huge amounts for advertising either. But, we all now NIL payments have nothing to do with market prices, etc., so who knows? Is 11k a lot of followers? I follow multiple corgis on the gram that have significantly more than that. 11k isn't much. Many local DC high school players have that. A following to pay attention to is around 100k. But, dead on comment about NIL, nothing to do with market prices nor reality. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 8, 2021 1:09:10 GMT -5
I think the good case study would be Scott Vermillion/Gate City All Star advising Mac to go G-League instead of staying at Texas Tech or transferring to UK. Would make have made much more in NIL money at Texas Tech or as a dunking side show at UK then at the South Bay Lakers? I think he definitely lost out on NIL money and exposure for his brand (on ESPN if he were at TT or Kentucky) instead of being hidden away in the G League that nobody watches. Only way I see him not losing out is if he gets on the main Lakers roster (unlikely this year) or somehow is allowed into the NBA All Star Game dunk contest. But otherwise it was a colossal mistake by his handler, Scott Vermillion. Not sure where you're getting your information, but McClung does not have a handler and it's certainly not his ex high school coach. Handlers are generally reserved for kids coming from single parent homes... a mother that probably knows little to nothing about sports and business, so some male relative, friend, ex coach or whatever sees an opportunity for some $$$ and takes on an adviser role in hopes of a pay day if the kid makes it to the NBA. McClung's dad is a judge, his mom a school teacher, and Scott Vermillion isn't even coaching anymore, he's now the principle at Gate City high. The goal has never been about NIL money, it's about making the NBA. This is a developmental year in the G League for him. Texas Tech played Tennessee tonight... the score at the end of regulation was 44-44. That is not how NBA basketball is played. His skill set is far more suited for the up tempo wide open NBA style than slow it down college style. There's also the old saying steel sharpens steel. Right now he's on a team with Frank Mason (4 years NBA experience and the 2020 G League MVP) Stanley Johnson (former lottery pick with 8 years of NBA experience) Mason Jones (32 NBA games in 2020) Cam Oliver (2 years NBA experience) plus current 2-way players Chaundee Brown and Jay Huff. Competition wise, first 2 games he matched up with future top 5 picks Jaden Hardy and Scoot Henderson. Next two games, Tre Mann and Theo Maledon... 2020 first and second round picks. Next two games, first round picks Moses Moody and Jacob Evans. In other words, every night he's playing with and against current and former NBA players. At Tech, they have one future NBA player, Terrance Shannon... competition wise there's Kansas, Baylor and a few others, but most nights its some cup cake mid-major or a bottom feeder BIG-12 team. He'd maybe face 4 or 5 NBA caliber guards all season long. Better to develop by playing with and against superior competition, all while playing NBA style ball and having the opportunity to get called up at any time. Right now he's started every game at PG... handles the ball about 80% of the time he's on the floor... even when Frank Mason starts with him. Leads his team in scoring... shooting 54% from the field, 45% from three, 20 pts, 5 assists, 4 boards per game. If he was still at Tech he'd likely be 15/3/3 again with low 40's from the field and low 30's from the 3, and still wind up undrafted and in the G League next year, making it a completely wasted year of development. The G League is a far better scenario for his development and it's not even close. As far as publicity, he's still getting plenty of love... his G League highlight videos from the official G League Youtube channel are consistently the most watched of any player (along with Sharife Cooper) and today NBA on ESPN just posted highlights from his last 2 games on their Twitter (7 mil followers) and IG (5 mil followers) accounts. Already 98K likes on the IG post. I think he'll be fine losing out on 5k here or there from the local BBQ place in Lubbock. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 8, 2021 12:43:01 GMT -5
I think the good case study would be Scott Vermillion/Gate City All Star advising Mac to go G-League instead of staying at Texas Tech or transferring to UK. Would make have made much more in NIL money at Texas Tech or as a dunking side show at UK then at the South Bay Lakers? I think he definitely lost out on NIL money and exposure for his brand (on ESPN if he were at TT or Kentucky) instead of being hidden away in the G League that nobody watches. Only way I see him not losing out is if he gets on the main Lakers roster (unlikely this year) or somehow is allowed into the NBA All Star Game dunk contest. But otherwise it was a colossal mistake by his handler, Scott Vermillion. Not sure where you're getting your information, but McClung does not have a handler and it's certainly not his ex high school coach. Handlers are generally reserved for kids coming from single parent homes... a mother that probably knows little to nothing about sports and business, so some male relative, friend, ex coach or whatever sees an opportunity for some $$$ and takes on an adviser role in hopes of a pay day if the kid makes it to the NBA. McClung's dad is a judge, his mom a school teacher, and Scott Vermillion isn't even coaching anymore, he's now the principle at Gate City high. The goal has never been about NIL money, it's about making the NBA. This is a developmental year in the G League for him. Texas Tech played Tennessee tonight... the score at the end of regulation was 44-44. That is not how NBA basketball is played. His skill set is far more suited for the up tempo wide open NBA style than slow it down college style. There's also the old saying steel sharpens steel. Right now he's on a team with Frank Mason (4 years NBA experience and the 2020 G League MVP) Stanley Johnson (former lottery pick with 8 years of NBA experience) Mason Jones (32 NBA games in 2020) Cam Oliver (2 years NBA experience) plus current 2-way players Chaundee Brown and Jay Huff. Competition wise, first 2 games he matched up with future top 5 picks Jaden Hardy and Scoot Henderson. Next two games, Tre Mann and Theo Maledon... 2020 first and second round picks. Next two games, first round picks Moses Moody and Jacob Evans. In other words, every night he's playing with and against current and former NBA players. At Tech, they have one future NBA player, Terrance Shannon... competition wise there's Kansas, Baylor and a few others, but most nights its some cup cake mid-major or a bottom feeder BIG-12 team. He'd maybe face 4 or 5 NBA caliber guards all season long. Better to develop by playing with and against superior competition, all while playing NBA style ball and having the opportunity to get called up at any time. Right now he's started every game at PG... handles the ball about 80% of the time he's on the floor... even when Frank Mason starts with him. Leads his team in scoring... shooting 54% from the field, 45% from three, 20 pts, 5 assists, 4 boards per game. If he was still at Tech he'd likely be 15/3/3 again with low 40's from the field and low 30's from the 3, and still wind up undrafted and in the G League next year, making it a completely wasted year of development. The G League is a far better scenario for his development and it's not even close. As far as publicity, he's still getting plenty of love... his G League highlight videos from the official G League Youtube channel are consistently the most watched of any player (along with Sharife Cooper) and today NBA on ESPN just posted highlights from his last 2 games on their Twitter (7 mil followers) and IG (5 mil followers) accounts. Already 98K likes on the IG post. I think he'll be fine losing out on 5k here or there from the local BBQ place in Lubbock. Based on what offensive linemen are making for Texas, I'd think MacClung could have made more than "5k here or there from the local BBQ place in Lubbock"... "Horns with Heart, a new name, image and likeness (NIL) initiative, was announced on Monday with plans to sponsor every offensive lineman on scholarship at Texas with $50,000 in annual financing for using their individual name, image and likeness to bring awareness to worthy causes that impact their local communities. " 247sports.com/Article/The-Pancake-Factory-Inside-the-NIL-initiative-that-will-let-Texas-offensive-linemen-bring-in-50000-annually-177666783/ |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 9, 2021 6:34:22 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 9, 2021 7:24:05 GMT -5
I think the good case study would be Scott Vermillion/Gate City All Star advising Mac to go G-League instead of staying at Texas Tech or transferring to UK. Would make have made much more in NIL money at Texas Tech or as a dunking side show at UK then at the South Bay Lakers? I think he definitely lost out on NIL money and exposure for his brand (on ESPN if he were at TT or Kentucky) instead of being hidden away in the G League that nobody watches. Only way I see him not losing out is if he gets on the main Lakers roster (unlikely this year) or somehow is allowed into the NBA All Star Game dunk contest. But otherwise it was a colossal mistake by his handler, Scott Vermillion. Not sure where you're getting your information, but McClung does not have a handler and it's certainly not his ex high school coach. Handlers are generally reserved for kids coming from single parent homes... a mother that probably knows little to nothing about sports and business, so some male relative, friend, ex coach or whatever sees an opportunity for some $$$ and takes on an adviser role in hopes of a pay day if the kid makes it to the NBA. McClung's dad is a judge, his mom a school teacher, and Scott Vermillion isn't even coaching anymore, he's now the principle at Gate City high. The goal has never been about NIL money, it's about making the NBA. This is a developmental year in the G League for him. Texas Tech played Tennessee tonight... the score at the end of regulation was 44-44. That is not how NBA basketball is played. His skill set is far more suited for the up tempo wide open NBA style than slow it down college style. There's also the old saying steel sharpens steel. Right now he's on a team with Frank Mason (4 years NBA experience and the 2020 G League MVP) Stanley Johnson (former lottery pick with 8 years of NBA experience) Mason Jones (32 NBA games in 2020) Cam Oliver (2 years NBA experience) plus current 2-way players Chaundee Brown and Jay Huff. Competition wise, first 2 games he matched up with future top 5 picks Jaden Hardy and Scoot Henderson. Next two games, Tre Mann and Theo Maledon... 2020 first and second round picks. Next two games, first round picks Moses Moody and Jacob Evans. In other words, every night he's playing with and against current and former NBA players. At Tech, they have one future NBA player, Terrance Shannon... competition wise there's Kansas, Baylor and a few others, but most nights its some cup cake mid-major or a bottom feeder BIG-12 team. He'd maybe face 4 or 5 NBA caliber guards all season long. Better to develop by playing with and against superior competition, all while playing NBA style ball and having the opportunity to get called up at any time. Right now he's started every game at PG... handles the ball about 80% of the time he's on the floor... even when Frank Mason starts with him. Leads his team in scoring... shooting 54% from the field, 45% from three, 20 pts, 5 assists, 4 boards per game. If he was still at Tech he'd likely be 15/3/3 again with low 40's from the field and low 30's from the 3, and still wind up undrafted and in the G League next year, making it a completely wasted year of development. The G League is a far better scenario for his development and it's not even close. As far as publicity, he's still getting plenty of love... his G League highlight videos from the official G League Youtube channel are consistently the most watched of any player (along with Sharife Cooper) and today NBA on ESPN just posted highlights from his last 2 games on their Twitter (7 mil followers) and IG (5 mil followers) accounts. Already 98K likes on the IG post. I think he'll be fine losing out on 5k here or there from the local BBQ place in Lubbock. Well that was fast. Put the bat signal up and it's good to see you are still around. Vermillion is a handler, advisor, whatever you want to call him. It's on the record that he gives advice to Mac. "The goal has never been about NIL money, it's about making the NBA"You are basically admitting that he lost out on NIL money He lost out on NIL money if he had stayed at Texas Tech. And if reports are true he certainly lost out on a ton of NIL money if he had transferred to Kentucky. More than that though his brand is damaged by the lack of exposure in the G league. You aren't even posting highlights anymore. Nobody watches the G League. But guess what if he was at Texas Tech or Kentucky, all his games would be on ESPN and he would be on Sports Center. And he would be on the Rex Chapman podcast with Jason Hopkins. It was a mistake and he got the wrong advice. However, he's making the best of it and if he can make the NBA than it won't matter. I think he certainly has the drive to give himself that opportunity. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 9, 2021 18:14:44 GMT -5
Well that was fast. Put the bat signal up and it's good to see you are still around. Vermillion is a handler, advisor, whatever you want to call him. It's on the record that he gives advice to Mac. "The goal has never been about NIL money, it's about making the NBA"You are basically admitting that he lost out on NIL money He lost out on NIL money if he had stayed at Texas Tech. And if reports are true he certainly lost out on a ton of NIL money if he had transferred to Kentucky. More than that though his brand is damaged by the lack of exposure in the G league. You aren't even posting highlights anymore. Nobody watches the G League. But guess what if he was at Texas Tech or Kentucky, all his games would be on ESPN and he would be on Sports Center. And he would be on the Rex Chapman podcast with Jason Hopkins. It was a mistake and he got the wrong advice. However, he's making the best of it and if he can make the NBA than it won't matter. I think he certainly has the drive to give himself that opportunity. How am I admitting he lost out on NIL money? I have very little knowledge or interest in NIL money so I honestly have no clue if he lost out and how much. What I'm saying is that if in fact he did, it doesn't matter. Why would a player who truly believes he is an NBA caliber player sacrifice an extra year of development at a time in his career when it's most important in exchange for an extra 100K or even million, as both are peanuts to what an NBA player would earn over the course of a successful career? The only reasoning would be someone with little self confidence or faith trying to capitalize as quickly as possible based on the belief that they will never make the NBA. That would be like someone selling off a successful business in its infancy for a quick million when it could easily be worth 100 times that in 10 years. It's a losers mentality. The NBA knock has always been, he's not a PG, he's a SG in a PG's body. Well for the first time in his career he's actually playing PG full time and getting better every game. Why? Because the G League prioritizes player development over winning. No college coach is going to do that. College is 100% about winning. Since he's always been more of a natural scorer than distributor any high level program he played for was going to play him primarily at SG as a designated scorer. Which means the same knocks he had coming out as Junior he'd still have coming out as a Senior. Again, an entire year wasted in a career and league where age is one of the most prominent factors in getting your first job. He has till he's probably 25, 26 max to make it... after that his chances dwindle significantly. Again, to throw a year away at this juncture would either be crazy or an admittance of defeat. Also, I'm not sure why you're so convinced he'd be rolling in cash off NIL money if he stayed in college. While I don't follow NIL much, the only major deals I've heard about were Paige Bueckers, Master P's son, and Alabama's QB. Seems a bit all over the place. I'm sure the top college football guys are making the most, so the QB for the best team every year makes sense. Paige will likely be one of the main faces of the WNBA in a few years. No clue what the appeal of Master P's son was other than having a famous dad. You can't compare Mac to guys that are sure fire lottery picks next year. I think the closest comparison would be Jahvon Quinerly. He's not a big time NBA prospect but he's a good player a on a good power 5 team that's consistently ranked. Not as popular as Mac but has over 400k followers to Mac's 800k. I can't find any think on JQ's NIL other than Cameo and some shirts being sold with him on the shirts. Only Texas Tech players I've heard about are Terrance Shannon sponsoring a steakhouse in Lubbock and Kevin McCullar sponsoring the local Raising Cane's. Mac has already sponsored products on his IG with a commercial for some sports recovery product, and something for a jewelry company, plus he has his jump program coming out, and of course like all the other kids he's on Cameo. All that combined with his G League salary, bonus, NBA training camp salary, per diems for both, and in all likely hood he's making more than had he stayed in college. It seems IG followers is a big component to NIL, yet college had little effect on Mac's following... he had 700k coming out of high school, he had less than 800k when he left TT. 100k in 3 years is not much and most can probably be attributed to Overtime, Slam, and Ball is Life posting his highlights which they still do and some 15 year old seeing it and following him... not some 55 year old watching ESPN or Fox Sports, since they likely don't have IG and if they do it's to follow their grandkids. Lastly, I've been posting his highlights on his thread in pro and college sports for every G League game this year, so not sure what you're talking about there. |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2021 10:37:19 GMT -5
If it were true that he could have transferred to Kentucky then that would have been the best move.
His NIL money would have been absolutely astronomical and he would be playing with NBA level players and coaching.
He would have been on the Rex Chapman (with Jason Hopkins podcast) and Chapman probably would have taken him under his wing as they have similar circumstances and styles.
I would still have your people reach out to Rex Chapman to get Mac on his podcast and I'm sure Rex would be willing to mentor him.
That is certainly something I would want to watch and would be really great for Mac to have a mentor like Rex.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 11, 2021 1:28:34 GMT -5
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 16, 2021 16:32:25 GMT -5
Not much to do with Mac, but the Lakers just signed 32-year old Isaiah Thomas to a 10-day after he put up 42 in his lone appearance in the No-D G League. Russell Westbrook is in Covid protocol.
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