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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 16, 2021 17:31:52 GMT -5
Are you Mac’s dad? Really, what is your relationship to him? Why is he so important to you? We don’t care. He’s not important to GU. Time will tell if he makes it to the NBA or not. If not, there’s always China, where he will be a novelty and a rockstar, or the Harlem Globetrotters, although he would have to learn to dribble and to pass at their level. I was surprised as how bad his dribble was when penetrating, and Mac is allergic to passing and defense. I mean you're on his thread screaming you don't care, which would seem to indicate the exact opposite. The people that truly don't care are probably not checking and posting in his thread. |
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Post by prhoya on Apr 16, 2021 17:38:05 GMT -5
Are you Mac’s dad? Really, what is your relationship to him? Why is he so important to you? We don’t care. He’s not important to GU. Time will tell if he makes it to the NBA or not. If not, there’s always China, where he will be a novelty and a rockstar, or the Harlem Globetrotters, although he would have to learn to dribble and to pass at their level. I was surprised as how bad his dribble was when penetrating, and Mac is allergic to passing and defense. I mean you're on his thread screaming you don't care, which would seem to indicate the exact opposite. The people that truly don't care are probably not checking and posting in his thread. That’s not how I read HoyaTalk. I click on the “Last 10 Posts” tab. So, I see (not read) your long posts, but it fills the page with your unimportant (to us) love for Mac. Just enjoy that he’s your kid or one of your nephews/cousins from Gate City, but it’s not important to us. Do you also do this in a similar Texas Tech chat? |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 16, 2021 18:05:40 GMT -5
I mean you're on his thread screaming you don't care, which would seem to indicate the exact opposite. The people that truly don't care are probably not checking and posting in his thread. That’s not how I read HoyaTalk. I click on the “Last 10 Posts” tab. So, I see (not read) your long posts, but it fills the page with your unimportant (to us) love for Mac. Just enjoy that he’s your kid or one of your nephews/cousins from Gate City, but it’s not important to us. Do you also do this in a similar Texas Tech chat? I have barely 200 posts in 3 years... that's like 1 post every 4-5 days, I doubt I'm cluttering your feed that much. I'm assuming there's also a handy ignore feature somewhere. If my posts trigger you, use it. |
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Post by TC on Apr 16, 2021 18:41:12 GMT -5
I mean you're on his thread screaming you don't care, which would seem to indicate the exact opposite. The people that truly don't care are probably not checking and posting in his thread. That’s not how I read HoyaTalk. I click on the “Last 10 Posts” tab. So, I see (not read) your long posts, but it fills the page with your unimportant (to us) love for Mac. Just enjoy that he’s your kid or one of your nephews/cousins from Gate City, but it’s not important to us. Do you also do this in a similar Texas Tech chat? I don't care so much that I'm going to call other posters plants is a very weird flex. |
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Post by hoyas212 on Apr 16, 2021 19:34:56 GMT -5
Judging from your nonsensical arguments, I’m guessing you didn’t go to Georgetown and are just a Gate City fan boy. PHX and SAC passing on Doncic doesn’t mean they missed on evaluating him. Everyone knew he was a high level prospect, probably many in their organizations wanted to pick him. Jalen Brunson was the 3rd pick of the 2nd round, it’s no surprise to see him outperform players picked in the first round. And teams looking for a guard in the back half of the first round we’re probably discussing picking Brunson. You seem to think drafting should be an exact science, it never has been and never will be. There are a lot of variables. Warren Buffet has made bad investments. Every year, there are players in every sport that perform way above or below their draft slot. By and large, the teams do a really good job of identifying the best prospects as a group. Sorry, but Mac is on the fringe of their radar. Doesn’t mean he’ll never make a NBA roster, but it is highly unlikely. After his junior year, his age is now starting to work against him and he hasn’t shown a NBA level skill, certainly not one to the extent that it can compensate for his deficiencies. IG and Tiktok followers don’t count. So not picking Doncic doesn't mean they missed on him? In what world are you living? So if 2 years ago someone told you to put all your money in Tesla stock and you ignored them and bought something that's only grown minimally or even lost money since then, are your finances going to reflect what you did or what you could've and should've done? If you took a marginal player like Bagley over Doncic, you missed... badly at that. And even trading Doncic for Trae, despite Trae's success was still a miss for Atl. I mean are you really trying to argue that picking Bagley over Doncic is not a miss because maybe some people in the organization wanted Doncic? If a Georgetown education get's you smarts like that, you can definitely keep it. Hope you're not still paying off your student loans. And yes everyone knew Doncic was a high level prospect, hence why he was a top 5 pick in every mock draft out there. That said, guys like Bagley and Jaren Jackson were considered just as high level of prospects... the fact is, all the so called experts out there were unable to discern much of a difference between those 3 prospects when clearly there was a major difference between Luka and the other 2. As for Warren Buffet, of course he makes mistakes, but given his success I think it's safe to say that he's right far more often than he's wrong. Which goes back to my original point, that even with all the time, money, and resources NBA teams spend on scouting these players, they fail far more often than they succeed when making their choices. And no, I don't think drafting should be an exact science, which again was my point to begin with... not only is it not an exact science, it's not even remotely close to being exact. If I looked at a draft from 10 years ago, reordered it based on how each guy has succeeded, put those 60 names in a hat and reordered it again based on each name I picked in order, the results would probably not be much worse off than how the NBA teams actually picked it. So literally picking at random you could do almost as good as these guys do. That's not a knock on them, it's just proof that it's virtually impossible to tell whose game is going to translate to the next level and whose isn't. You show a lack of even an elementary understanding of statistics or anything else for that matter. Unlike investing, the top of the draft is a zero sum game unless you own multiple picks. If PHX or SAC could’ve invested in multiple players’ futures in that draft, they would’ve invested a lot in Doncic. Look at any rankings of recruits or their draft position: there is a strong correlation between how highly they are valued and their success at the next level. Your random draft order statement is just completely asinine. So, no it isn’t virtually impossible to tell who’s game will translate to the next level. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but no matter how many examples you think you have of people who are undervalued (even though they aren’t), it doesn’t change the fact that Mac has a tiny chance of ever playing in the NBA. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 16, 2021 20:42:23 GMT -5
You show a lack of even an elementary understanding of statistics or anything else for that matter. Unlike investing, the top of the draft is a zero sum game unless you own multiple picks. If PHX or SAC could’ve invested in multiple players’ futures in that draft, they would’ve invested a lot in Doncic. Look at any rankings of recruits or their draft position: there is a strong correlation between how highly they are valued and their success at the next level. Your random draft order statement is just completely asinine. So, no it isn’t virtually impossible to tell who’s game will translate to the next level. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but no matter how many examples you think you have of people who are undervalued (even though they aren’t), it doesn’t change the fact that Mac has a tiny chance of ever playing in the NBA. And you show a lack of even basic reading comprehension. My stock analogy was in response to your ridiculous excuse that because Doncic was high on their draft board or someone from their team lobbied for him that somehow excuses them for not selecting him. At the end of the day you don't get credit in life because you almost did something or because you were advised to do something and ignored that advice and did something else. The only thing that matters is what you did. No one besides you is going to credit the Kings for passing on Doncic. I mean didn't I literally just do this with the 2018 NBA Draft? Of course there is a better chance that players in the lottery for instance as a whole are going to greatly outperform the guys in the 2nd half of the 2nd round for instance. That doesn't deter from the fact that I already gave you 9 players from that draft class that went 2nd round or UDFA that have outperformed more than half of the 1st round class that year, including several of the lottery picks. You started this argument by saying my statement that NBA teams miss more than 50% of the time in the NBA Draft was "moronic." I've already proven that my 50% number was extremely generous. Your best defense is that well I bet there was guys on the team that lobbied for so and so. Or, oh well if those teams had a bunch of picks I bet they would've grabbed him. What does that have to do with my 50% statement? What have you shown me that proves that statement to be incorrect aside from fantasy scenarios where teams should apparently get credit for making the right pick because hypothetically someone on their team lobbied for the right guy or because they needed more picks to get it right? As far as Mac goes, I've never said he was an NBA player... you seem more concerned with his NBA chances than I am. My only statement was that NBA teams often misevaluate talent and the fact he's not considered a high level prospect by the so called experts, or some arm chair GM's certainly does not mean that he can't or won't have a place in the NBA some day. By no means am I saying that he absolutely will, because saying that would be just as foolish as someone saying he absolutely won't. Which was my original point. No one really knows. If the guys who do this for a living can't get it right half the time, why should I believe you? |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 16, 2021 22:22:42 GMT -5
As far as Mac goes, I've never said he was an NBA player... you seem more concerned with his NBA chances than I am. My only statement was that NBA teams often misevaluate talent and the fact he's not considered a high level prospect by the so called experts, or some arm chair GM's certainly does not mean that he can't or won't have a place in the NBA some day. By no means am I saying that he absolutely will, because saying that would be just as foolish as someone saying he absolutely won't. Which was my original point. No one really knows. If the guys who do this for a living can't get it right half the time, why should I believe you? The opinion on Mac is actually split. You have some experts, media and armchair GMs saying that he's the best guard in the nation, all big 12 2nd team honors, etc, etc., is a 2nd round pick, etc. And then others that say he won't sniff the NBA. The only thing we really know that he is an extremely hard worker, and will do the best he can to make the NBA (which is his goal). |
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 17, 2021 16:54:18 GMT -5
Mac's HS coach: Vermillion was able to coach McClung throughout his four years of high school–watching him drop 47 points in the 2018 state title game and 64 during a regular-season game in his junior season–and helped him through his decision to transfer from Georgetown to Texas Tech. “It was the right decision to play for Coach Beard,” Vermillion said about McClung transferring to Texas Tech in May of 2020. “Absolutely a good decision. It just didn’t turn out to be exactly what he thought it was gonna be. Maybe it’s turned out to be better.” kentuckysportsradio.com/main/mac-mcclung-looking-for-a-school-that-will-take-him-to-the-nba/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 17:20:35 GMT -5
So the narrative is still that Mac can't play defense, can't play point guard, etc. Mac is currently tied for 3rd in the country in Defensive Win Shares. His defensive box plus/minus is 3.6... compared to 1.2 last year... his defensive rating is 78.2 compared to 104.9 last season. He could be leading the country in every advanced defensive statistical category, and folks would still hang on to that narrative. As a part time point guard for Tech he has a higher assist percentage than James Akinjo who no one will argue can play point guard and has the benefit of playing the position full time at Arizona. His asst/to ratio is better than 3/1... the gold standard for point guards. Again, it could be 5/1 and folks would still hang on to the narrative. Wether or not he will ever be drafted is certainly debatable. Wether or not he's improving his defense, playmaking and overall game under Chris Beard is not. I think Mac is a hardworking kid and has improved every year he's been in College. That being said none of the stuff you posted here aged well especially the assist to turnover number. His assist % ended up being higher playing 2 guard at Georgetown than playing pg at TTU. He ended up having more turnovers than assists in conference play. Akinjo ended up with close to a 2.5-1 asst/to number fwiw. He's still a very good college player though, but when it comes to pushing a narrative this post takes the cake. He literally did all of this vs LM kids and you acted like Beard had turned him into Chris Paul. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 17, 2021 21:30:01 GMT -5
Mac's HS coach: Vermillion was able to coach McClung throughout his four years of high school–watching him drop 47 points in the 2018 state title game and 64 during a regular-season game in his junior season–and helped him through his decision to transfer from Georgetown to Texas Tech. “It was the right decision to play for Coach Beard,” Vermillion said about McClung transferring to Texas Tech in May of 2020. “Absolutely a good decision. It just didn’t turn out to be exactly what he thought it was gonna be. Maybe it’s turned out to be better.” kentuckysportsradio.com/main/mac-mcclung-looking-for-a-school-that-will-take-him-to-the-nba/"What we saw at Texas Tech, there’s a fit,” Vermillion said. “There was some structure to where he’s learning to play a style of game that will translate to the next level. Somewhere where he’s preparing himself for the NBA. The kid wants to be coached. Coach Beard would take him out, coach him, and put him back in–that was how it worked. Some places didn’t do that. Some places take players out and don’t put them back in.” Sounds like CGallstar. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 22, 2021 15:53:37 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 22, 2021 17:27:28 GMT -5
get me a hankie please
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Post by prhoya on Apr 22, 2021 17:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 22, 2021 19:36:21 GMT -5
I'm never that emotionally invested to dump on a kid for doing what's best for him or her. I will say the posts about this fella after James left are totally different once he decided to leave too  |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 22, 2021 20:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 23, 2021 12:22:23 GMT -5
He wants to be "apart" of Red Raider Nation. Does that mean that he is leaving?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 23, 2021 12:28:40 GMT -5
He wants to be "apart" of Red Raider Nation. Does that mean that he is leaving? Damn autocorrect. 🤯 |
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Post by njhoya78 on May 17, 2021 10:07:55 GMT -5
Good luck, Mac. You'll need it.
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Post by hoyas212 on May 17, 2021 11:00:49 GMT -5
Being represented by Dan Poneman who represents Jessie Govan and a couple other fringe NBA guys. The prospects with realistic NBA chances almost always get signed by higher profile agencies, even if not their top agents. Mac just doesn’t have a NBA level skill, much less one that compensates for his deficiencies.
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Post by metaphor on May 17, 2021 23:49:01 GMT -5
Good luck, Mac. You'll need it. Wow, what a rollercoaster. Being 20 is not easy and I feel for McClung. I really wished he had stayed at Georgetown as I think this year would have even been more remarkable. Clearly he wants to give the NBA a shot and he has worked hard for it. Hope he makes it. And if he doesn't, I hope he can come back to Georgetown, transfer his Texas Tech credits, and earn his degree. |
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