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Post by nattybumpo3152 on Apr 1, 2020 22:31:22 GMT -5
Why isn't Mac McClung comparable to Fred Van Fleet of the Raptors? He's taller, faster, equally athletic. I don't hear any commentator saying Van Fleet can't cover taller NBA guards. And the Raptors other guards, Lowry, Powell and Davis are all 6'4 and under. Didn't Drake text McClung for a jersey while McClung was still in HS?
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Post by HoyaDr on Apr 1, 2020 22:37:49 GMT -5
Why isn't Mac McClung comparable to Fred Van Fleet of the Raptors? He's taller, faster, equally athletic. I don't hear any commentator saying Van Fleet can't cover taller NBA guards. And the Raptors other guards, Lowry, Powell and Davis are all 6'4 and under. Didn't Drake text McClung for a jersey while McClung was still in HS? I think Fred is a more consistent shooter but even he developed that in the NBA
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 1, 2020 23:21:44 GMT -5
Why isn't Mac McClung comparable to Fred Van Fleet of the Raptors? He's taller, faster, equally athletic. I don't hear any commentator saying Van Fleet can't cover taller NBA guards. And the Raptors other guards, Lowry, Powell and Davis are all 6'4 and under. Didn't Drake text McClung for a jersey while McClung was still in HS? Van Fleet was truly a true PG in college, he knew how to control a game... Mac doesn’t possess those skills at this time...
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Post by HoyaDr on Apr 2, 2020 0:01:22 GMT -5
Why isn't Mac McClung comparable to Fred Van Fleet of the Raptors? He's taller, faster, equally athletic. I don't hear any commentator saying Van Fleet can't cover taller NBA guards. And the Raptors other guards, Lowry, Powell and Davis are all 6'4 and under. Didn't Drake text McClung for a jersey while McClung was still in HS? Van Fleet was truly a true PG in college, he knew how to control a game... Mac doesn’t possess those skills at this time... Yes this too
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Post by reformation on Apr 2, 2020 7:47:06 GMT -5
Shooting is a big diff between the two. Also suspect decision making/ball handling under pressure/passing etc. Mac has trouble finishing at rim in college(not van fleets game), hard to see that as improving right away in NBA.
I think Mac would show a lot better if he improved his decision making--maybe he will do that in his tryouts.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 2, 2020 9:13:28 GMT -5
Why isn't Mac McClung comparable to Fred Van Fleet of the Raptors? He's taller, faster, equally athletic. I don't hear any commentator saying Van Fleet can't cover taller NBA guards. And the Raptors other guards, Lowry, Powell and Davis are all 6'4 and under. Didn't Drake text McClung for a jersey while McClung was still in HS? Van Fleet was truly a true PG in college, he knew how to control a game... Mac doesn’t possess those skills at this time... Everyone knows that. The larger point is that Van Vleet wasn’t considered an NBA player either at the time. So projections are great and all but they’re not always on target. All speculation.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 2, 2020 9:14:12 GMT -5
Shooting is a big diff between the two. Also suspect decision making/ball handling under pressure/passing etc. Mac has trouble finishing at rim in college(not van fleets game), hard to see that as improving right away in NBA. I think Mac would show a lot better if he improved his decision making--maybe he will do that in his tryouts. Does he really struggle at finishing at the rim in college?
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Post by HoyaDr on Apr 2, 2020 9:35:32 GMT -5
Shooting is a big diff between the two. Also suspect decision making/ball handling under pressure/passing etc. Mac has trouble finishing at rim in college(not van fleets game), hard to see that as improving right away in NBA. I think Mac would show a lot better if he improved his decision making--maybe he will do that in his tryouts. Does he really struggle at finishing at the rim in college? I don't think he struggles to finish IF he gets to the rim but I think he struggles with decision making as aforementioned. He quite often suddenly rises up to take a contested mid range shot and misses when maybe he should be more patient to find a lane to drive and either finish or dish to the open man. Its no different than a turnover in my eyes because he rarely made that contested jumper except when he gets hot. Too streaky of a shooter. When he is open though I think he is more effecient.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 2, 2020 10:01:55 GMT -5
I hear what everyone is saying but in order for GU to become a funnel for NBA recruits and still aspire to national prominence then it needs to have a recruiting pipeline equivalent to the Dukes,Kentuckys, UNCs of the world. As we are set up today we just can't afford to lose our better players after two years and think that that is a good thing because it shows we can develop NBA talent. Every time we lost a quality player early we went backwards. Green, Otto, Peak, Derrickson. Did we get better after they left? Did recruits start lining up outside our door? Unless and until we are ready to completely sell out our school's integrity and become a Kentucky-like program that makes no pretense of obtaining student athletes we will never have enough talent to turn over our the better part of our lineups every few years. Actually the recruiting got better with the 1st two (Green, Porter). The success of Jeff's team brought in Maclin, Freeman, Wright and Monroe. The success of Otto's team brought in Copeland, Peak and Derrickson. By definition that is a pipeline. The problem was that JT3 kept losing in the tourney early which led to negative recruiting and the pipeline dried up....I actually think we will be good if Mac is back and healthy. I'm talking battling for BE crown good. But most think we are gonna be bad with or without Mac. If you're in that crowd you should hope that we can get something out of Mac's time on the Hilltop..... Yes we did get some good recruits but just think how much better we would have been if those guys had stayed just one more year. Difference between making the tourney and actually getting to the elite 8 or final 4. Plus, might have saved JT3's job. Yes you could say this about every school (just think how Cuse fans feel about losing Carmelo) but like I said, we don't have the luxury of 5 start recruits replacing these guys like the UNCs and Kentuckys.
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Post by rhw485 on Apr 2, 2020 10:22:07 GMT -5
Shooting is a big diff between the two. Also suspect decision making/ball handling under pressure/passing etc. Mac has trouble finishing at rim in college(not van fleets game), hard to see that as improving right away in NBA. I think Mac would show a lot better if he improved his decision making--maybe he will do that in his tryouts. Does he really struggle at finishing at the rim in college? www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Georgetownthis breaks out shooting into dunks, close 2, mid 2, and 3 pt. Has Mac at 35-68, 51% on close 2s, which is in the bottom 25% of college. Not fair to compare to centers so would really need to compare to other guards. These are big east and other random guards that have come up in thread Markus Howard: 46% Kamar Baldwin: 56% Myles Powell: 60% Collin Gillespie: 60% Tre Jones: 54% Anthony Edwards: 69% So it does seem below average-ish but not some disaster number. Would only be tougher in pros if you're trying to project. This would be on the low end of things I"m worried about w Mac. It's the % of long 2s he takes and his low assist totals that are bigger problems would think
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 2, 2020 10:23:05 GMT -5
Maybe a sign of hope/progress for next season, looking at Mac's splits from this past season shows some improvement from his freshman year that were then impacted by his injuries. I know it's a small sample, but comparing his non-conference shooting numbers (pre-injuries) against his conference shooting numbers (post-injuries):
Non-Conference 2P%: 46% (44/95) Conference 2P%: 40% (34/86)
Non-Conference 3P%: 38% (23/60) Conference 3P%: 22% (8/36)
Overall 2P%: 43% (78/181) Overall 3P%: 32% (31/96)
For comparison, here are his numbers from his freshman year.
Non-Conference 2P%: 49% (36/74) Conference 2P%: 48% (52/109)
Non-Conference 3P%: 24% (13/53) Conference 3P%: 30% (26/87)
Overall 2P%: 48% (88/183) Overall 3P%: 28% (39/141)
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2020 11:26:08 GMT -5
Van Fleet was truly a true PG in college, he knew how to control a game... Mac doesn’t possess those skills at this time... Everyone knows that. The larger point is that Van Vleet wasn’t considered an NBA player either at the time. So projections are great and all but they’re not always on target. All speculation. This isn’t correct, Van Fleet didn’t have a high draft potential. That’s not nearly the same as not being considered to be an NBA player...
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 2, 2020 12:51:09 GMT -5
Why isn't Mac McClung comparable to Fred Van Fleet of the Raptors? He's taller, faster, equally athletic. I don't hear any commentator saying Van Fleet can't cover taller NBA guards. And the Raptors other guards, Lowry, Powell and Davis are all 6'4 and under. Didn't Drake text McClung for a jersey while McClung was still in HS? Van Fleet was a 4 or 5 year player though. I think that experience at the college level really helped him out in his case.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 2, 2020 12:52:35 GMT -5
Shooting is a big diff between the two. Also suspect decision making/ball handling under pressure/passing etc. Mac has trouble finishing at rim in college(not van fleets game), hard to see that as improving right away in NBA. I think Mac would show a lot better if he improved his decision making--maybe he will do that in his tryouts. Does he really struggle at finishing at the rim in college? No Mac is an above average finisher at the rim. He must have got him mixed up with Akinjo who is a below average finisher.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 2, 2020 12:55:09 GMT -5
Everyone knows that. The larger point is that Van Vleet wasn’t considered an NBA player either at the time. So projections are great and all but they’re not always on target. All speculation. This isn’t correct, Van Fleet didn’t have a high draft potential. That’s not nearly the same as not being considered to be an NBA player... Yeah, he was a second round pick, only guaranteed 3 summer league games. They didn't think much of him but he made the most of his opportunity and it paid off.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2020 13:08:50 GMT -5
This isn’t correct, Van Fleet didn’t have a high draft potential. That’s not nearly the same as not being considered to be an NBA player... Yeah, he was a second round pick, only guaranteed 3 summer league games. They didn't think much of him but he made the most of his opportunity and it paid off. Van Fleet didn't get drafted
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 2, 2020 13:42:46 GMT -5
Yeah, he was a second round pick, only guaranteed 3 summer league games. They didn't think much of him but he made the most of his opportunity and it paid off. Van Fleet didn't get drafted even better. He could have though, "VanVleet was not selected in the 2016 NBA draft after declining two offers to agree to play in the NBA Development League at $20,000 for two years by teams interested in drafting him in the second round.[105] " wiki He could have gotten drafted by the NBA but he would have had to play D league so he declined.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 2, 2020 13:48:57 GMT -5
Van Fleet also has an elite skill. 3pt shooting
Freshman 41% Soph 42% Junior 36% Senior 38%
NBA Year 1 38% Year 2 41% Year 3 38% Year 4 39%
I think Mac changing his shot is a big step in the right direction but he will need more experience and consistency at the college level to approach those 3pt numbers. I think he can get there but it's not happening overnight and there has to be a body of work to show that he has that consistency.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 2, 2020 14:34:24 GMT -5
Everyone knows that. The larger point is that Van Vleet wasn’t considered an NBA player either at the time. So projections are great and all but they’re not always on target. All speculation. This isn’t correct, Van Fleet didn’t have a high draft potential. That’s not nearly the same as not being considered to be an NBA player... Stop with the straw man and revisionist history. Work on your reading comprehension. Never said anything about draft ability and specifically referenced your latter point. It’s okay to agree to disagree sometimes man...
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 2, 2020 14:35:55 GMT -5
Van Fleet also has an elite skill. 3pt shooting Freshman 41% Soph 42% Junior 36% Senior 38% NBA Year 1 38% Year 2 41% Year 3 38% Year 4 39% I think Mac changing his shot is a big step in the right direction but he will need more experience and consistency at the college level to approach those 3pt numbers. I think he can get there but it's not happening overnight and there has to be a body of work to show that he has that consistency. Since when does there “have to be a body of work”? That’s not how the NBA operates....their rely on vision and projecting potential. Take away the numbers and just think about his ability...
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