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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 3, 2018 22:17:06 GMT -5
They are paying him millions to rebuild a crumbling program. They also know it will take more than 18 months. This is not a crumbling program, it is an underachieving program manifest by years of inattention to detail and Georgetown's historical reluctance to move anywhere beyond the past. Let's not revisit the circumstances by which Ewing got the job, only to say that if you think he has years of runway to be a 1st round NCAA team by 2020 or 2021, he does not. Just so we are clear - if we don't make the NCAA's next season Ewing has failed. And given what was left of this team last March, not to mention the potential for additional transfers that existed - "crumbling" is not really a stretch.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 3, 2018 22:19:56 GMT -5
III left Pat a dumpster fire to put out. It may take 2-3 years for the embers to cool.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 3, 2018 22:53:36 GMT -5
I think you have to give PE, or any new coach, 3-4 recruiting years. This year didn't count because he came in too late. So next year's class is his first. Gonna be a lot of hollering around here if his recruits turn out to be duds. We just can't afford another year of Campbell et al. I keep hoping he turns a corner next year but it looks like Mosley may be the next pg bust.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 3, 2018 23:14:54 GMT -5
I think that Mosley is a very athletic kid without a natural position. He has a weak handle, poor outside shot and is too undersized to play inside. Have not given up on him yet but today was another very tough game—3 rebounds, 2 steals, 4 turnovers and 0 points. That won’t cut it for someone who started.
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Post by justsaying on Mar 3, 2018 23:37:36 GMT -5
Of the interesting view points, If any coach in the college game can have a recruiting year that can cover basically 9 positions DEFENSIVELY then you tell me who is that coach. If we are saying that past relations has to do with the coach not getting more out of defensive deficient squad and if it is not seen that progress was made with this given group, then all i can say is for those of that belief is that your knowledge of the game, of those who play, of the play against elite competition is somewhat limited.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 4, 2018 0:45:56 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if we are not in contention for an NCAA bid next year...not necessarily getting it...but absolutely a bubble type team.
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Post by the_way on Mar 4, 2018 0:56:33 GMT -5
Do you realize Nova has no seniors except 2 bench jockeys? Do you realize how much better their freshmen and sophomores are than ours? Thank you JT3. Watching them play and then reading our posts is so depressing. I'd trade everyone of our frosh and sophmores (including Jamarko) for DiVincenzo. Unless we have a HUGE recruiting class the next two years we won't sniff a BE title or tourney bid before Trump is re-elected. SAD! Don't get discouraged. It takes years to get to Villanova's level. Recruiting, program philosophy, continuity, etc. Wright has had two successful phases at 'Nova. It took years for him to get Nova to win in his first phase. He struggled in between those two phases too. He made his share of blunders after success like JTIII. Wright was able to right the ship before he was shown the door. You are watching a finished product in 'Nova. It is gonna take years for Ewing to build our program. Marcus and Govan aren't Mourning and Mutombo. But they are unique talents that are match-up problems for other teams. That will be hard to replace after next year. Ewing has his work cut out for him on the recruiting trail, among other things. He has to recruit backcourt starters and depth from scratch too. That is just recruiting. He is still learning and growing as a coach too.
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Post by the_way on Mar 4, 2018 1:07:40 GMT -5
III left Pat a dumpster fire to put out. It may take 2-3 years for the embers to cool. More like 4-5 years. That is how long it took Jay Wright (In his 4th year with NOVA, 1st NCAA appearance). Pat walked into a program that had no 3 point shooters (in today's game that is just baffling) and pretty much no Big East caliber backcourt nor wing players. Not to mention this roster wasn't the most athletic either. III walked into a much better situation his 1st year. In such a short span, Ewing landed Pickett and Blair (and Sodom). But still, look around the league and look at our roster. We have a ways to go.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 4, 2018 1:08:12 GMT -5
I think that Mosley is a very athletic kid without a natural position. He has a weak handle, poor outside shot and is too undersized to play inside. Have not given up on him yet but today was another very tough game—3 rebounds, 2 steals, 4 turnovers and 0 points. That won’t cut it for someone who ?started. p The young man must have been a jack of all trades and a master of none in high school. By that I mean he must have been able to score some baskets via fast breaks b/c of his athleticism and could play defense on guards and small forwards. His athleticism allowed him to get rebounds also. He however is not a scorer, or elite defender. Having watched the improvement in Derrickson and Govan from last year and Pickett’s improvement from beginning of year to now, I thought Moseley ,the sophomore, would start showing signs of improvement, but he has not taken that next step. It makes you think tthat maybe he has reached his individual ceiling and will not be getting any better than he is now? I would agree that the level of recruitment had dropped considerably under JTIII the last couple of years. He and Johnson have not shown any improvements from last year and very well may have already reached their ceiling. What we see now is maybe what we should expect to see next year. Still have some hope for Walker given his limited pt, but the limited pt says that he has not shown Patrick much in practice to warrant more pt. Ewing just needs to get that solid pg to run this team next year along with a center to backup Govan. If he gets that solid pg and Govan, Derrickson, and Pickett improve on this years play, then getting in the NCAA Tournament next year is not out of the question.
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Post by the_way on Mar 4, 2018 1:20:59 GMT -5
Mosely looks like a guy who played center or forward in high school, where developing guard skills wasn't necessary. Right now he is a forward trapped in a guard's height. He has to develop some guard skills.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 4, 2018 1:57:29 GMT -5
Mosely looks like a guy who played center or forward in high school, where developing guard skills wasn't necessary. Right now he is a forward trapped in a guard's height. He has to develop some guard skills. Mosely is another JT3 bust. Same as Tre Campbell. Lazy recruiting which apparently runs in the family.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 4, 2018 2:01:11 GMT -5
Mosely looks like a guy who played center or forward in high school, where developing guard skills wasn't necessary. Right now he is a forward trapped in a guard's height. He has to develop some guard skills. Mosely is another JT3 bust. Same as Tre Campbell. Lazy recruiting which apparently runs in the family. I’m not ready to call Mosely a bust after two years. Mosely was never supposed to be a recruit who would come in and be a program changer or anything of that level. I still think he’s got potential to grow and be a solid contributor the next two years.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 4, 2018 8:31:42 GMT -5
I think that Mosley is a very athletic kid without a natural position. He has a weak handle, poor outside shot and is too undersized to play inside. Have not given up on him yet but today was another very tough game—3 rebounds, 2 steals, 4 turnovers and 0 points. That won’t cut it for someone who started. 23 minutes, 0-1 and you know our leading scorer is out. That's the most discouraging part. That's not a physical error, but one of mindset. "If I don't do anything, I don't do anything wrong" is what we saw far too often the last few years. That's not going to fly going forward. Of all the returning players, Jagan is probably most at risk of falling off the depth chart. He's a smart kid so maybe he can figure out his role and what he needs to work on to get minutes, but right now if he's a SG, Blair and Pickett have passed him and if he's a PG, he will be hard-pressed to beat out the newcomers (yes I assume there will be more than one).
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 4, 2018 9:41:12 GMT -5
Back in January at "home" with a healthy Derrickson, the Hoyas played this same team and was slaughtered on national television. Gtown looked like a high school team going up against an elite college program. Did the Hoyas even get to 20 points by the end of the first half in that game? Yesterday the Hoyas were still outclassed. But at least they didn't look like keystone cops anymore. They weren't giving up a zillion points off turnovers. For the most part they avoided looking panicked. They competed on the boards. They got to the free throw line. They got some good looks. And roughly halfway into the second half they brought the deficit down to 10 points. They did this despite Derrickson, arguably the team's MVP, not suiting up. They did this despite Pickett and Blair having bad games. They did this despite not being able to knock down threes. This was not a memorable showing by the Hoyas but at least they did not embarrass themselves on national TV as they had on FOX Sports 1 weeks back. That may not be much but it is progress nonetheless.
To be honest I was much more frustrated by the close losses to Xavier, freakin' Providence and Marquette. Villanova is A Machine at this point in time. That's a program that is at a peak level all across the board, a program that is used to winning, a program that has won a national championship a couple of years back. There are upperclassmen, including a star point guard, who were major contributors to that championship team. That gives them a sense of swagger that is contagious and is passed down to their sophomores and freshmen. Suddenly every player looks All World. The Hoyas were burned yesterday by leaving some guys open, but for the most part Villanova was knocking down long threes with Hoya defenders right up on them. And that's where Villanova did its most damage. They weren't beating Hoyas off the dribble repeatedly; they settled for long jumpers because those jumpers kept falling.
Going into the game the Hoyas, in my opinion, only had four legit scorers. I judge who is legit based upon how many double-figure scoring games the players have had over the season. With Derrickson out that meant the Hoyas were down to only three. Govan. Pickett. Blair. And Pickett and Blair don't even average double figures in points for the season! (Although both are close). Also Blair at this point is the type of guy who has not proved he can get his points without teammates setting him up or defenders having to worry about the other Hoya scorers on the court. So there were sequences during yesterday's game in which the Hoyas had only one scorer on the floor at a time. And when you figure that only Govan was having success in putting up points one could argue there were times, when he went to the bench, that the Hoyas didn't have any scorers on the floor. It is hard to win like that.
People attacking Pickett or eve Blair as being not worthy to breathe the same air that any Villanova underclassmen have to get a grip. Both of those guys are going to keep making great strides as time passes. And Pickett is going to be a star. He just needs some more time putting altogether. I can recall when folks here were low on Govan's ever being the type of guy to require the double-teaming he was getting yesterday. But as for all of this frustration in this thread over the lack of recruiting and lack of winning I must ask where you asleep at the wheel for the past six or more seasons? Good recruiting years followed by bad recruiting years, back-to-back subpar recruiting years, Edited poor performances in post season tourneys, a slew of transfers of key personnel. This has been a sinking program for quite awhile. Ewing is busting his tail to turn things around. He's gonna need more guards who can score, drive and run an offense in order to get there.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2018 9:51:21 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if we are not in contention for an NCAA bid next year...not necessarily getting it...but absolutely a bubble type team. We win the 3 conference OT games we lost, squeeze out another win, and play a stronger OOC schedule and we are right in the conversation. If Doc and Jessie stay, and the new guys can contribute - especially on defense - yeah, Selection Sunday might matter to us.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 4, 2018 9:54:09 GMT -5
Agree, I was hoping that Mosely and Johnson would have a positive impact on the team this year. Both invisible on the floor. Especially hurts because Dickerson and Mulmore are so limited.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Mar 4, 2018 10:04:14 GMT -5
The time it will take PE to turn this around is two very distinct paths. The 4-5 year period assumes under the radar recruiting with gradual improvement. The 2-3 year period assumes one or two break out high visibility recruits (e.g. PE for Hoyas or Reggie White for the Packers). I think that kind of surprise signing is what quickly turned around a train wreck of an NFL team (for the past 15 years) in 2-3 years. I think the analogy is appropriate. Praying for a miracle signing...
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Post by This Just In on Mar 4, 2018 12:26:47 GMT -5
Back in January at "home" with a healthy Derrickson, the Hoyas played this same team and was slaughtered on national television. Gtown looked like a high school team going up against an elite college program. Did the Hoyas even get to 20 points by the end of the first half in that game? Yesterday the Hoyas were still outclassed. But at least they didn't look like keystone cops anymore. They weren't giving up a zillion points off turnovers. For the most part they avoided looking panicked. They competed on the boards. They got to the free throw line. They got some good looks. And roughly halfway into the second half they brought the deficit down to 10 points. They did this despite Derrickson, arguably the team's MVP, not suiting up. They did this despite Pickett and Blair having bad games. They did this despite not being able to knock down threes. This was not a memorable showing by the Hoyas but at least they did not embarrass themselves on national TV as they had on FOX Sports 1 weeks back. That may not be much but it is progress nonetheless. To be honest I was much more frustrated by the close losses to Xavier, freakin' Providence and Marquette. Villanova is A Machine at this point in time. That's a program that is at a peak level all across the board, a program that is used to winning, a program that has won a national championship a couple of years back. There are upperclassmen, including a star point guard, who were major contributors to that championship team. That gives them a sense of swagger that is contagious and is passed down to their sophomores and freshmen. Suddenly every player looks All World. The Hoyas were burned yesterday by leaving some guys open, but for the most part Villanova was knocking down long threes with Hoya defenders right up on them. And that's where Villanova did its most damage. They weren't beating Hoyas off the dribble repeatedly; they settled for long jumpers because those jumpers kept falling. Going into the game the Hoyas, in my opinion, only had four legit scorers. I judge who is legit based upon how many double-figure scoring games the players have had over the season. With Derrickson out that meant the Hoyas were down to only three. Govan. Pickett. Blair. And Pickett and Blair don't even average double figures in points for the season! (Although both are close). Also Blair at this point is the type of guy who has not proved he can get his points without teammates setting him up or defenders having to worry about the other Hoya scorers on the court. So there were sequences during yesterday's game in which the Hoyas had only one scorer on the floor at a time. And when you figure that only Govan was having success in putting up points one could argue there were times, when he went to the bench, that the Hoyas didn't have any scorers on the floor. It is hard to win like that. People attacking Pickett or eve Blair as being not worthy to breathe the same air that any Villanova underclassmen have to get a grip. Both of those guys are going to keep making great strides as time passes. And Pickett is going to be a star. He just needs some more time putting altogether. I can recall when folks here were low on Govan's ever being the type of guy to require the double-teaming he was getting yesterday. But as for all of this frustration in this thread over the lack of recruiting and lack of winning I must ask where you asleep at the wheel for the past six or more seasons? Good recruiting years followed by bad recruiting years, back-to-back subpar recruiting years, Edited poor performances in post season tourneys, a slew of transfers of key personnel. This has been a sinking program for quite awhile. Ewing is busting his tail to turn things around. He's gonna need more guards who can score, drive and run an offense in order to get there. A lot of people have been/were in denial with just how bad things had gotten.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 4, 2018 12:32:59 GMT -5
The time it will take PE to turn this around is two very distinct paths. The 4-5 year period assumes under the radar recruiting with gradual improvement. The 2-3 year period assumes one or two break out high visibility recruits (e.g. PE for Hoyas or Reggie White for the Packers). I think that kind of surprise signing is what quickly turned around a train wreck of an NFL team (for the past 15 years) in 2-3 years. I think the analogy is appropriate. Praying for a miracle signing... Thompson did it gradually Al Dutch followed by Shelton and Duren a nice NCCA run and Patrick, Martin and Jones all top 20 recruits. but its now a different era and recruiting game. Never mind the pressure for immediate results, by both fans and those potential recruits.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 4, 2018 13:32:18 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if we are not in contention for an NCAA bid next year...not necessarily getting it...but absolutely a bubble type team. We win the 3 conference OT games we lost, squeeze out another win, and play a stronger OOC schedule and we are right in the conversation. If Doc and Jessie stay, and the new guys can contribute - especially on defense - yeah, Selection Sunday might matter to us. At one level this makes perfect sense,and I try hard convincing myself that we are really not that far away. If we only had a scoring pg or just a bit more depth in the front court this is a 10-8 team today. Then reality hits looking forward to 2018 with a returning back court of Mosely and Blair.Some very unproven front court recruits in Carter and LeBlanc which may help a little and what many here think is the savior at guard in McClung whom every time I've see him play on video against real AAU competition it's like why is anyone getting excited. Then of course it's Johnson will improve I'm still waiting for that to happen this year. Who knows what we have in Mourning if he had a different or was at another big time school he would have been recruited over and the message sent a while ago its time to look at other schools. I hope I'm wrong but at this point just another warm body. The bright light is Jamarko needs to drastically improve his handle, strength, first step,hand overall quickness and please move him from a 2g to a real wing or 3 he can be very special. Going forward as of today 9-9 in BE nrxt year is a real reach and we are much closer to this years 5-13. If they can find another guard or 2 that are significant upgrades on both sides of the ball than Mulmore and Dickerson this spring and McClung can have some immediate impact then who knows I'll reserve judgement until November. With 6 scholarships available over the next 2 years how those are used will determine both short and long term future of the program Patrick has a very small room for error and can afford very few mistakes.
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