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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 13, 2018 20:38:50 GMT -5
We need an RPI update!
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Post by trillesthoya on Feb 13, 2018 21:05:16 GMT -5
someone delete this threat because we are GOING DANCING
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 13, 2018 21:05:41 GMT -5
NCAA here we come No matter what happens I'm proud of the team. Personally I'm on the side of agreeing with the OOC, it let Pat institute his system. It took a few games to pay off but even in losses we were dangerous. Now we are dangerous and winning! Go Hoyas!!
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 13, 2018 21:18:12 GMT -5
Big win in a game the projection sites only gave the Hoyas a 15% chance of winning. Talking about NIT is now at least realistic although there is still a lot of work to do.
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Post by Eurostar on Feb 13, 2018 21:27:10 GMT -5
Even with a historically bad OOC we are still only 15-10 and 5-9 in conference. I don't know why you guys are still talking about this. If we had lost to one of those sub 250 RPI teams would ANYONE be saying now that we should have scheduled a more difficult OOC?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 13, 2018 21:31:04 GMT -5
Even with a historically bad OOC we are still only 15-10 and 5-9 in conference. I don't know why you guys are still talking about this. If we had lost to one of those sub 250 RPI teams would ANYONE be saying now that we should have scheduled a more difficult OOC? Yes.. On Edit: Yes, absolutely..
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 13, 2018 21:31:30 GMT -5
My brain says hold back, my heart says ALL IN. Just gonna enjoy this run right now. Great win tonight. Already have been planning to head up to MSG in a few weeks. Just take it one game at a time.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Feb 13, 2018 21:32:31 GMT -5
Even with a historically bad OOC we are still only 15-10 and 5-9 in conference. I don't know why you guys are still talking about this. If we had lost to one of those sub 250 RPI teams would ANYONE be saying now that we should have scheduled a more difficult OOC? Shh. Let people enjoy things.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 13, 2018 21:32:51 GMT -5
Even with a historically bad OOC we are still only 15-10 and 5-9 in conference. I don't know why you guys are still talking about this. If we had lost to one of those sub 250 RPI teams would ANYONE be saying now that we should have scheduled a more difficult OOC? Yes.. On Edit: Yes, absolutely.. Yes, I'll go to the mat on the OOC. Again, I'm not necessarily against it this year, but if you want to make the dance you have to schedule better "bad" teams, and ideally have a couple of chances at a quality win. We need to schedule a tougher OOC next year.
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Post by guru on Feb 13, 2018 21:58:37 GMT -5
Yes.. On Edit: Yes, absolutely.. Yes, I'll go to the mat on the OOC. Again, I'm not necessarily against it this year, but if you want to make the dance you have to schedule better "bad" teams, and ideally have a couple of chances at a quality win. We need to schedule a tougher OOC next year. I don’t believe anyone is arguing against any of the points you made here. Enjoy the win!
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 13, 2018 22:00:42 GMT -5
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 13, 2018 22:59:47 GMT -5
Warrennolan RPI: 123 Group 1 wins: 3 Teams with 3+ Group 1 wins between 50-150: 11 RPI wizard @2-2, 1-1 in NY: 102
This is a thing. Let's go to MSG with dreams of running the table but a strong shot at the NIT at least.
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Post by mdtd on Feb 13, 2018 23:09:42 GMT -5
Yes.. On Edit: Yes, absolutely.. Yes, I'll go to the mat on the OOC. Again, I'm not necessarily against it this year, but if you want to make the dance you have to schedule better "bad" teams, and ideally have a couple of chances at a quality win. We need to schedule a tougher OOC next year. Agreed. If Ewing schedules another OOC type schedule next year I'd be mad. It would not make much sense to me and I couldn't defend it barring a significant change of events.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 14, 2018 1:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 14, 2018 8:17:19 GMT -5
As of 2006, you no longer need to be .500 to get an NIT bid.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 14, 2018 9:24:28 GMT -5
As of 2006, you no longer need to be .500 to get an NIT bid. That's technically true but largely removed for the automatics who might not be .500. No at-large selection since 2006 has ever been sub-.500.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 14, 2018 10:05:23 GMT -5
My brain says hold back, my heart says ALL IN. Just gonna enjoy this run right now. Great win tonight. Already have been planning to head up to MSG in a few weeks. Just take it one game at a time. I think it will take 2 more conference wins and at least one win at the BET to get an NIT bid, but it is absolutely a realistic possibility. The really interesting/scary thing is if the Hoyas had won just two of the games they kicked away, Syracuse and the first Butler game, we would not be talking about NIT, the conversation would be about the big dance. Whatever happens moving forward, I have been very impressed with the growth of the team and just the way the play. They are so much more interesting to watch now!!! Let's finish the deal and get a tournament bid and keep this going in the right direction!!!
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Post by TC on Feb 14, 2018 10:18:40 GMT -5
As of 2006, you no longer need to be .500 to get an NIT bid. That's technically true but largely removed for the automatics who might not be .500. No at-large selection since 2006 has ever been sub-.500. CasualHoya still fake news.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 14, 2018 10:22:52 GMT -5
As of 2006, you no longer need to be .500 to get an NIT bid. That's technically true but largely removed for the automatics who might not be .500. No at-large selection since 2006 has ever been sub-.500. Agreed. I'm just pointing out that the original statement was misleading to an uninformed reader who might think that the Hoyas are now in the NIT just because they will have a .500 record.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 14, 2018 11:26:42 GMT -5
Win two out of the last four, and you at least have a shot going to MSG. Even then, our projected RPI would be only 112. NIT projections are darned near impossible because of the "regular season champions that don't win their conference tourney get a bid" rule. But 2-2 and 1-1 in the BET would likely leave us right around the bubble.
I don't write this to re-litigate the OOC schedule debate at all. It is what it is and we'll hopefully see a very different one next year. But in determining that our RPI would be 112 with a 17-12 record if we finish 2-2, I also saw what would happen if we simply deleted the six games against teams with 300+ RPIs from our schedule and kept everything else the same (with a 2-2 finish). We'd have an RPI of 69 entering the BET. That is, if we simply took those six games and played intrasquad scrimmages on those dates instead, from a statistical perspective, we'd enter the BET with an outside chance at an NCAAT bid. Again, not re-litigating it...maybe we don't perform as well recently without at least some of those cupcakes early (and obviously in the real world we'd replace those games with someone, and we may well have lost).
But from a purely statistical perspective, it's striking.
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