smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 6, 2018 23:12:12 GMT -5
I think your right Glide..i want to give Ewing every chance but cmon...cant just be the players every time... I don't understand why coach Ewing didn't put the ball in either Reggie Williams or Michael Jackson hands and let them create especially with Zo and Mutombo underneath ready for offensive rebounds. I'm ready to call it quits on coach Ewing, he's been coach long enough. Don’t apologize for lousy coaching. If you get run, fine. If you flat out hand the game over in last 2 minutes with crap strategy, TOs, braindead guardplay, lousy roster management (Kaleb has no biz on floor down stretch) and pixilated timeout management, it’s not primarily about personnel. It’s about personnel...and a rookie coach who is showing everyone why he didn’t get this opportunity a decade ago. |
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Feb 6, 2018 23:12:25 GMT -5
The only possible reason for Dickerson to have been in the game would have been to receive the pass, speed it up the floor (which there was ample time for) and get it to a shooter. Good plan. He's in the frontcourt? For what? Game over when we had no one in the backcourt. Cooley had to love seeing that.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 6, 2018 23:12:30 GMT -5
More lack of personnel than bad coaching. A skilled guard would make Pat look like a genius. Recruiting is everything! Yes... true but timeouts decision making??? This is whats most important |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 6, 2018 23:12:41 GMT -5
More lack of personnel than bad coaching. A skilled guard would make Pat look like a genius. Recruiting is everything! Still got out coached!!! Twice. Glide and I disagree on almost everything (ha) but i dont kmow why people have a problem with this. Its 100% correct. He got outcoached tonight. Every coach has at some point. Doesnt mean he cant be a good or great one but he did not have a good finish to this game plain and simple... |
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 6, 2018 23:13:24 GMT -5
MEAC guards ain’t gonna get it done. Need more than Mac next year. Actually, some of those MEAC guards would be an improvement. That kid from Howard? |
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2018 23:13:46 GMT -5
HOYAS COVER! HOYAS COVER! HOYAS COVER! I'm disgusted. But will be there Saturday. I'll be there too. Hopefully I'm over this loss by then. Don't know. I do think Ewing was out coached tonight. The plays out of timeouts were consistently bad, and the final play was uniquely awful. He's also clearly struggling to make the series of adjustments that coaches have to make throughout the game to win in this league. Providence kept tweaking and, late in the first and second halves, their changes showed. That being said, I'm trying to resist the urge to treat this as more than a frustrating loss. We were so bad earlier in the year that we had to just focus on getting better, not the nuanced type of things that a team needs to do to win a close game. We are also really hurting for depth, especially at the guard spots. Even so, the late game execution was at its worst tonight. I'll be ready to go on Saturday but man this is tough. I'm sorry, Providence wasn't coached into victory here. There were no tweaks that made them play better. They were on the receiving end of some seriously terrible officiating that made their awful game plan suddenly magically better. This board is obsessed with coaching, specifically in game, as a the end of be all of wins and losses. It's not. The timeout obsession also has to end. Coaches aren't drawing up plays out of every timeout designed to score. Sometimes they are but usually the majority of the time is spent talking about the game as a whole. The game plan throughout the game was great and exploited our miss matches, hence the 10 point lead in the first half. Substitution patterns were solid. Besides the Derrickson insanity he managed foul trouble well. Besides that last play and maybe getting a T on some of these calls, I really don't think there are any changes that Ewing should have or could have made to change the outcome. Where coaching does show up is in player in-season improvement and overall team improvement. Anyone on this board who denies those things have gotten better is a liar. Yes, I think we all want to start winning these close games. That will come. But we need stop arbitrarily blaming the "coaching" after every close lose, when we watched these same players do these same dumb things under a totally different coach last. A coach, mind you, that had plenty of smart players and end game strategies. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 6, 2018 23:13:52 GMT -5
We can all go on praying that the light goes on for Pat. But it doesn’t look like it’s going to. He has shown us NOTHING in late game situations. What is he doing? There are plenty of folks who can roll the ball out. We need more. All we’re seeing is red flags. I wouldn't say that at all. Late game coaching is one part of the job. It's clear his coaching has helped Derrickson, Pickett and Blair. I can say a lot of positives about our offense, given we have absolutely zero creators on it. The team does a lot of stuff to create good entry into the post and create threes for our freshmen. We've improved greatly over the year. He's been terrible with late game tactics. Part of that is when the game slows and gets into a halfcourt and/or press situation, that's when our lack of ball handling and creation are most visible. Part of that is Derrickson repeatedly fouling out -- he's been our clear #1 offensive player in the Big East and our depth Is crap. And part of that is trash late game tactics, no doubt. But saying that he is "rolling out the ball" and there are only red flags is straight out nonsense. If we had even Jason Clark on this team, we are above .500 in the Big East. That doesn't excuse what we are running, but ignoring all the good is wrong as well. |
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bamahoya11
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 6, 2018 23:14:51 GMT -5
We've lost a string of heartbreakers, for sure. But anyone who doesn't see a vast improvement from this team the last couple of weeks, well, that surprises me. Also, the notion that Ewing should be saddled with a rep as a college coach who can't close, may be slightly premature. Unless one would go so far as to say that Ewing should be already saddled with the rep of being a coach who gives up four point plays at the end of games, hard to argue with that... The team has certainly improved a lot in recent weeks. They now have a new problem of closing out games with a lead. Earlier in the season, they had to work on basic fundamentals just to stay in the game and keep the ball moving. The offense looks a lot better in these last few weeks, though the defense still struggles, and we are hampered by lack of key players particularly in guard positions. Watching Dickerson run the offense for much of tonight I was partially amazed that we were competitive in a league road game with him running point. That said, Ewing struggled a bit tonight. The final play was really bad, and we had a series of bad plays out of timeouts tonight. At least one turnover, I think a shot clock violation, several mistakes you just don't usually see coming out of a break. I'm also not going to label him a bad closer, but he clearly hasn't "broken through" in terms of closing out close games against good competition. He also needs to adjust more over the course of the game. Ewing is still limited though by the players he has. He has limited lineup options, for example, to set plays late. And any comparison to Mullin, frankly, does a disservice to Ewing. I remember Mullin's first year at SJU, and Ewing has been far more engaged and focused on the sidelines. Thus, although I agree with you big picture, I think it's fair to point out that we have a lot of work to do in terms of both play and coaching. |
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2018 23:14:53 GMT -5
We can all go on praying that the light goes on for Pat. But it doesn’t look like it’s going to. He has shown us NOTHING in late game situations. What is he doing? There are plenty of folks who can roll the ball out. We need more. All we’re seeing is red flags. As noted earlier, Ewing looks more like Mullin than Cooley out there. Did you watch this game? If you thought Providence was a well coached team out there.... I really don't know what to tell you. |
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Post by saxagael on Feb 6, 2018 23:15:29 GMT -5
You should've just heard what Lavin and Jackson said lol. Plus we had two timeouts didnt freeze the free throw shooter. Man we got outcoached big time in the last two games. We did freeze the free throw shooter. Do you watch the games or just posted wrecklessly. It was a conversation topic by the announcers for a solid minute. Freezing out players (basketball free throws and kickers in football) statistically doesn't have a negative impact. In basketball they FT% for a player with a freeze out is no different than not doing it. In NFL and top tier college football freezing a kicker sees kickers having an improved percentage of kicks made. |
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Feb 6, 2018 23:15:41 GMT -5
Excellent defensive effort anyway, I thought.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 6, 2018 23:16:05 GMT -5
In basketball under 5 minutes ur looking at your coach and guards decision making period. Two timeouts we didn't even try to freeze the foul shooter. Strategy folks. Make all the excuses you want Cooley out coached Ewing.
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Post by riley32ps on Feb 6, 2018 23:16:06 GMT -5
Nice class shown by Cooley recognizing Hoyas improvement. Gotta get guards or forwards who can break down the defense. Also, if not doing late game situation drills, clearly an area that is needed. Honestly feel return to top 20 status is two seasons away and nights like this will be forever in the rear view mirror by then.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 6, 2018 23:16:07 GMT -5
We've lost a string of heartbreakers, for sure. But anyone who doesn't see a vast improvement from this team the last couple of weeks, well, that surprises me. Also, the notion that Ewing should be saddled with a rep as a college coach who can't close, may be slightly premature. Unless one would go so far as to say that Ewing should be already saddled with the rep of being a coach who gives up four point plays at the end of games, hard to argue with that... The team has certainly improved a lot in recent weeks. They now have a new problem of closing out games with a lead. Earlier in the season, they had to work on basic fundamentals just to stay in the game and keep the ball moving. The offense looks a lot better in these last few weeks, though the defense still struggles, and we are hampered by lack of key players particularly in guard positions. Watching Dickerson run the offense for much of tonight I was partially amazed that we were competitive in a league road game with him running point. That said, Ewing struggled a bit tonight. The final play was really bad, and we had a series of bad plays out of timeouts tonight. At least one turnover, I think a shot clock violation, several mistakes you just don't usually see coming out of a break. I'm also not going to label him a bad closer, but he clearly hasn't "broken through" in terms of closing out close games against good competition. He also needs to adjust more over the course of the game. Ewing is still limited though by the players he has. He has limited lineup options, for example, to set plays late. And any comparison to Mullin, frankly, does a disservice to Ewing. I remember Mullin's first year at SJU, and Ewing has been far more engaged and focused on the sidelines. Thus, although I agree with you big picture, I think it's fair to point out that we have a lot of work to do in terms of both play and coaching. Agree. That's sort of all I am saying, too. |
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 6, 2018 23:16:18 GMT -5
It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things because we just don't have the talent, but I thought it was just a poor last several minutes for Ewing. Im not sure how that makes me or others crazy people. But, to each his own. It’s not necessarily that he DIDN’T have a poor last few minutes, but I also think often times when the team is not as talented as you’d like, the product may not reflect what was drawn up. Of course you could argue, that knowing his personnel, he should probably draw up something else but without even one competent ball handler on this roster, I wouldn’t even know where to start. |
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 6, 2018 23:16:34 GMT -5
I'll be there too. Hopefully I'm over this loss by then. Don't know. I do think Ewing was out coached tonight. The plays out of timeouts were consistently bad, and the final play was uniquely awful. He's also clearly struggling to make the series of adjustments that coaches have to make throughout the game to win in this league. Providence kept tweaking and, late in the first and second halves, their changes showed. That being said, I'm trying to resist the urge to treat this as more than a frustrating loss. We were so bad earlier in the year that we had to just focus on getting better, not the nuanced type of things that a team needs to do to win a close game. We are also really hurting for depth, especially at the guard spots. Even so, the late game execution was at its worst tonight. I'll be ready to go on Saturday but man this is tough. I'm sorry, Providence wasn't coached into victory here. There were no tweaks that made them play better. They were on the receiving end of some seriously terrible officiating that made their awful game plan suddenly magically better. This board is obsessed with coaching, specifically in game, as a the end of be all of wins and losses. It's not. The timeout obsession also has to end. Coaches aren't drawing up plays out of every timeout designed to score. Sometimes they are but usually the majority of the time is spent talking about the game as a whole. The game plan throughout the game was great and exploited our miss matches, hence the 10 point lead in the first half. Substitution patterns were solid. Besides the Derrickson insanity he managed foul trouble well. Besides that last play and maybe getting a T on some of these calls, I really don't think there are any changes that Ewing should have or could have made to change the outcome. Where coaching does show up is in player in-season improvement and overall team improvement. Anyone on this board who denies those things have gotten better is a liar. Yes, I think we all want to start winning these close games. That will come. But we need stop arbitrarily blaming the "coaching" after every close lose, when we watched these same players do these same dumb things under a totally different coach last. A coach, mind you, that had plenty of smart players and end game strategies. I know a coach should be drawing up a play to score with 4 seconds to go and not a desperate heave into coverage. We didn't do that tonight. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 6, 2018 23:16:48 GMT -5
Still got out coached!!! Twice. Glide and I disagree on almost everything (ha) but i dont kmow why people have a problem with this. Its 100% correct. He got outcoached tonight. Every coach has at some point. Doesnt mean he cant be a good or great one but he did not have a good finish to this game plain and simple... Yes Beantown. |
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 6, 2018 23:17:03 GMT -5
Still got out coached!!! Twice. Glide and I disagree on almost everything (ha) but i dont kmow why people have a problem with this. Its 100% correct. He got outcoached tonight. Every coach has at some point. Doesnt mean he cant be a good or great one but he did not have a good finish to this game plain and simple... It's totally fair to point out a coaching deficiency - the deficiency here being an inability to close out close games where the personnel on the floor and plays being called are questionable. Not fair to say Ewing looks more like mullin than Cooley. Cooley's first year at providence was under .500. I'm sure he had many of the same roster limitations we have. |
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2018 23:17:17 GMT -5
JT3 was a whiz out of timeouts, and at the end of games, when he had Freeman, Wright and Clark Say it again. He's not saying what you think he is saying. |
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Post by 72hoya on Feb 6, 2018 23:18:47 GMT -5
I can’t get why everyone on here is trashing Ewing. You all wanted JT3 fired. And you wanted an uptempo style. We got that now. But in game after game the players we have turn the ball over and take the wrong decisions at the end of a game. That’s really not coaching it’s failure to execute at crunch time.
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