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Post by michaeldm9 on Jan 3, 2018 19:14:50 GMT -5
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jan 3, 2018 21:08:31 GMT -5
I love that clip.
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Post by upstatesaxa on Jan 3, 2018 21:11:33 GMT -5
Straight outta the Big John Thompson tough love playbook
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 3, 2018 22:29:43 GMT -5
Big fan of tough love. That's why we aren't folding this year.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 4, 2018 1:24:30 GMT -5
There isn't an elite recruit that wouldn't want a college american and nba hall of famer player now coach, pushing them to greatness.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 4, 2018 1:57:33 GMT -5
There isn't an elite recruit that wouldn't want a college american and nba hall of famer player now coach, pushing them to greatness. I bet there are a bunch, but we don't want them!
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 4, 2018 8:27:28 GMT -5
Yep, loved watching that, though I must admit it’s MD’s complacency on defensive end that regularly has me screaming at TV.
Either way, loved the intensity from Pat. This is what we have been completely missing for more than a decade - fire. Love it!!!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 4, 2018 8:33:14 GMT -5
I like it a lot too- but it has not been missing from the program- just expressed in a different way.
In any event, Patrick's approach is very direct. That is who he is, and I respect it. I hope that it get results.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 4, 2018 8:53:20 GMT -5
I like it a lot too- but it has not been missing from the program- just expressed in a different way. In any event, Patrick's approach is very direct. That is who he is, and I respect it. I hope that it get results. We always categorically disagree, so that’s nothing new, but his lack of Fire was always my no. 1 criticism of JT3 - all the way back to the Green/Hibbert teams. JT3 was intense - I got that in our many encounters. But he was very cerebral and always seemed to be fighting his passion and working to subjugate his emotions to logic. And, hey, that can work as a coaching style. But for every Wooden there are a dozen Sabans. I always felt like he undervalued pure passion and instinct, almost like he was consciously choosing a path to success that was the exact opposite of his father’s. I found his team’s dispassionate play maddening with only the occasional player (PEJr, Markel, Trawick) breaking ranks to provide the passion from without. I think it was very obviously missing in their play long before last season and I believe it cost the team and the program dearly.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 4, 2018 10:00:57 GMT -5
I like it a lot too- but it has not been missing from the program- just expressed in a different way. In any event, Patrick's approach is very direct. That is who he is, and I respect it. I hope that it get results. I really like the way Coach Ewing is direct with his players and leaves no room for them to not understand his expectations. I think it is a change from JT3 and I hope it is embraced by his players. Some players deal with that type of coaching well, and some do not. Finding players who want to be coached hard and pushed to be better will be important moving forward. The key is for the players to start seeing positive results in thier own games and the teams' success. No one likes getting chewed out, but if a player sees that the coach is being fair about his criticism and it is only to make that player and the team better, it is a lot easier to deal with getting an occasional earful from your coach. The days of Bobby Knight being a hard a** all the time does not work for most players anymore, but alot of players seem to respond well to Frank Martin in South Carolina and Bobby Huggins in West Virginia. Ewing is probably still defining exactly how he will interact with his players in some circumstances but I like what I have seen so far
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2018 10:05:00 GMT -5
I like it a lot too- but it has not been missing from the program- just expressed in a different way. In any event, Patrick's approach is very direct. That is who he is, and I respect it. I hope that it get results. TRUTH!!! Trust me I've seen JT3 when he lit into Hopkins and Whittington, but it wasn't on National TV. Woke!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2018 10:05:20 GMT -5
Trust me I've seen JT3 when he lit into Hopkins and Whittington, but it wasn't on National TV. He told both don't be late again if you want to play for me in front of a crowd. Woke!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2018 10:09:19 GMT -5
I like it a lot too- but it has not been missing from the program- just expressed in a different way. In any event, Patrick's approach is very direct. That is who he is, and I respect it. I hope that it get results. We always categorically disagree, so that’s nothing new, but his lack of Fire was always my no. 1 criticism of JT3 - all the way back to the Green/Hibbert teams. JT3 was intense - I got that in our many encounters. But he was very cerebral and always seemed to be fighting his passion and working to subjugate his emotions to logic. And, hey, that can work as a coaching style. But for every Wooden there are a dozen Sabans. I always felt like he undervalued pure passion and instinct, almost like he was consciously choosing a path to success that was the exact opposite of his father’s. I found his team’s dispassionate play maddening with only the occasional player (PEJr, Markel, Trawick) breaking ranks to provide the passion from without. I think it was very obviously missing in their play long before last season and I believe it cost the team and the program dearly. If you know/knew JT3 like I do he was not only intense, but would tell you what you didn't want to hear, but needed to hear. JT3 just didn't do it on National TV. He wasn't an advocate of embarrassing his players in public or on national tv, not to say Patrick was wrong, but yeah.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2018 10:13:20 GMT -5
I like it a lot too- but it has not been missing from the program- just expressed in a different way. In any event, Patrick's approach is very direct. That is who he is, and I respect it. I hope that it get results. I really like the way Coach Ewing is direct with his players and leaves no room for them to not understand his expectations. I think it is a change from JT3 and I hope it is embraced by his players. Some players deal with that type of coaching well, and some do not. Finding players who want to be coached hard and pushed to be better will be important moving forward. The key is for the players to start seeing positive results in thier own games and the teams' success. No one likes getting chewed out, but if a player sees that the coach is being fair about his criticism and it is only to make that player and the team better, it is a lot easier to deal with getting an occasional earful from your coach. The days of Bobby Knight being a hard a** all the time does not work for most players anymore, but alot of players seem to respond well to Frank Martin in South Carolina and Bobby Huggins in West Virginia. Ewing is probably still defining exactly how he will interact with his players in some circumstances but I like what I have seen so far Sometimes very direct can end in bad result when you embarrass young people on national tv, not to say this wrong but JT3 would do this in practices or elsewhere. I do agree with most of what you wrote.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 4, 2018 10:19:58 GMT -5
I think, to an extent, it also matters WHO is yelling at you . Especially with a big guy, PE has major cred. He knows exactly what it takes to be a star in college and the pros..both as a player and as a coach of many big men..Dwight Howard, Yao Ming, etc. I cannot imagine being a young big and not respecting a tongue lashing from PE. But , unfortunately...I'm far from being a young big, so maybe I'm wrong!!
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Post by sleepy on Jan 4, 2018 11:49:05 GMT -5
I really like the way Coach Ewing is direct with his players and leaves no room for them to not understand his expectations. I think it is a change from JT3 and I hope it is embraced by his players. Some players deal with that type of coaching well, and some do not. Finding players who want to be coached hard and pushed to be better will be important moving forward. The key is for the players to start seeing positive results in thier own games and the teams' success. No one likes getting chewed out, but if a player sees that the coach is being fair about his criticism and it is only to make that player and the team better, it is a lot easier to deal with getting an occasional earful from your coach. The days of Bobby Knight being a hard a** all the time does not work for most players anymore, but alot of players seem to respond well to Frank Martin in South Carolina and Bobby Huggins in West Virginia. Ewing is probably still defining exactly how he will interact with his players in some circumstances but I like what I have seen so far Sometimes very direct can end in bad result when you embarrass young people on national tv, not to say this wrong but JT3 would do this in practices or elsewhere. I do agree with most of what you wrote. If Ewing was yelling at Blair or Picket, maybe the word embarrass could be used. He was yelling at Derrickson, who was our best player to that point and played most of the game. Much more similar to Geno Auriemma's coaching style than say a Bobby Knight.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2018 12:09:51 GMT -5
Sometimes very direct can end in bad result when you embarrass young people on national tv, not to say this wrong but JT3 would do this in practices or elsewhere. I do agree with most of what you wrote. If Ewing was yelling at Blair or Picket, maybe the word embarrass could be used. He was yelling at Derrickson, who was our best player to that point and played most of the game. Much more similar to Geno Auriemma's coaching style than say a Bobby Knight. I didn't write Coach Ewing embarrassed anyone. I only mentioned sometimes when you embarrass young people on Nat'l tv, sometimes those results can be damaging. Yes, coaches yell at their best players' simply because they know they can do better. If Patrick didn't care he wouldn't do what he did with Marcus.
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Post by dense on Jan 4, 2018 13:43:02 GMT -5
As much play as this is getting on twitter, Good recruiting ad.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 4, 2018 14:03:33 GMT -5
I have no problem with tough love i guess personally I found the play and player at the time and odd choice. This is when Derrickson took maybe an ill advised fall away off 1 foot right? So first off at that point he was almost single handedly our offense at that time... ...and secondly out of all the plays, shots, turnovers this teams has committed over this season, that one makes him go nuts??? Im sure its because its only the one timed he was mic'd up and caught but just the play and player at the time seemed odd to me. I can think of a 100 plays this season that deserved that rant!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2018 14:16:47 GMT -5
LOL. Patrick come get ya boy mane.
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