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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 31, 2017 11:57:38 GMT -5
This will be another tough one and an opportunity to change the script for 2018.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 31, 2017 14:49:21 GMT -5
Starting to look like we may literally have no more than a handful of winnable games left. This is one of them. Play like you are ticked off by throwing away our first two conference games.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 31, 2017 14:50:35 GMT -5
True test for us, no doubt.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 31, 2017 16:54:57 GMT -5
Starting to look like we may literally have no more than a handful of winnable games left. This is one of them. Play like you are ticked off by throwing away our first two conference games. I think this board needs to prepare itself to be resilient. Anyone expecting a successful season based on what happened over the last nine months needs to share what they have been smoking. We will lose most of the remaining games. At this point, we should just hope to see individual player development. The NCAA tournament was never on the table this year. So let’s not lose our minds every time we lose a game.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 31, 2017 17:27:06 GMT -5
What great consolation that is, buddy.
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Post by TC on Dec 31, 2017 17:45:28 GMT -5
Starting to look like we may literally have no more than a handful of winnable games left. This is one of them. Play like you are ticked off by throwing away our first two conference games. I think this board needs to prepare itself to be resilient. Anyone expecting a successful season based on what happened over the last nine months needs to share what they have been smoking. We will lose most of the remaining games. At this point, we should just hope to see individual player development. The NCAA tournament was never on the table this year. So let’s not lose our minds every time we lose a game. I get that we're not going to be able to beat Villanova or Providence or Xavier or Seton Hall, but this is DePaul. Gotta have some goals, or we're doing this just to do it. Does anyone want to finish dead last?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 31, 2017 18:17:36 GMT -5
I think this board needs to prepare itself to be resilient. Anyone expecting a successful season based on what happened over the last nine months needs to share what they have been smoking. We will lose most of the remaining games. At this point, we should just hope to see individual player development. The NCAA tournament was never on the table this year. So let’s not lose our minds every time we lose a game. I get that we're not going to be able to beat Villanova or Providence or Xavier or Seton Hall, but this is DePaul. Gotta have some goals, or we're doing this just to do it. Does anyone want to finish dead last? I agree it needs to be a goal to beat DePaul on Tuesday. I realize this team won’t be getting to the NCAA tournament and likely not the NIT either, but I still want to win games. And of course, it’s a goal to have our team improve throughout the season (something I haven’t really seen thus far outside Govan and Derrickson). To me, it would be meaningful to play better in February than now, even if our record stinks. This game against DePaul really will define how the season will go and how high our ceiling will be. It’s also our most likely win of the remaining away games, even if we will be an underdog. That said, I do agree with the original post to some degree. I think a lot of people came into this season with unrealistic expectations. We lost our two best players from a 5-13 team and didn’t replace them with anybody even remotely as good. I know there may have been some expectation that Ewing would make our current players better, but aside from Govan and maybe Derrickson that hasn’t happened. Ideas that guys like Mulmore would improve from a better “system” haven’t panned out. It’s definiely a rebuild and not one that’s going to immediately happen this year.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 31, 2017 19:04:55 GMT -5
It's going to be a tough year in terms of wins and losses, but it can still be a good year in terms of how our team develops. Like 2003 just so astutely pointed out, I would like to see signs that this team is learning and improving. I also want to see how Coach Ewing adapts to our limitations. This game against DePaul is winnable. Let's get this done, head home, and regroup to try to play spoiler against Creighton. This team is going to struggle, but that should only make the victories sweeter. I hope we get this one.
Happy New Year to everyone!
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Post by drquigley on Dec 31, 2017 20:07:07 GMT -5
It's going to be a tough year in terms of wins and losses, but it can still be a good year in terms of how our team develops. Like 2003 just so astutely pointed out, I would like to see signs that this team is learning and improving. I also want to see how Coach Ewing adapts to our limitations. This game against DePaul is winnable. Let's get this done, head home, and regroup to try to play spoiler against Creighton. This team is going to struggle, but that should only make the victories sweeter. I hope we get this one. Happy New Year to everyone! We need to get Lic on this thread since we Hoya fans will really need a shrink as this season progresses.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 31, 2017 20:51:22 GMT -5
We're 0-2 at a place we never win and in double OT to a team that just beat Nova. No we're not good, but I'd bet we're in most games even if we don't win many.
Let's get to 1-2 here. Hit a few threes and turn it over "only" 14 times and get out of there with a win.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 1, 2018 1:36:43 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on Jan 1, 2018 8:44:36 GMT -5
I get that we're not going to be able to beat Villanova or Providence or Xavier or Seton Hall, but this is DePaul. Gotta have some goals, or we're doing this just to do it. Does anyone want to finish dead last? I agree it needs to be a goal to beat DePaul on Tuesday. I realize this team won’t be getting to the NCAA tournament and likely not the NIT either, but I still want to win games. And of course, it’s a goal to have our team improve throughout the season (something I haven’t really seen thus far outside Govan and Derrickson). To me, it would be meaningful to play better in February than now, even if our record stinks. This game against DePaul really will define how the season will go and how high our ceiling will be. It’s also our most likely win of the remaining away games, even if we will be an underdog. That said, I do agree with the original post to some degree. I think a lot of people came into this season with unrealistic expectations. We lost our two best players from a 5-13 team and didn’t replace them with anybody even remotely as good. I know there may have been some expectation that Ewing would make our current players better, but aside from Govan and maybe Derrickson that hasn’t happened. Ideas that guys like Mulmore would improve from a better “system” haven’t panned out. It’s definiely a rebuild and not one that’s going to immediately happen this year. Agree. However, I have a slightly different take on what is reasonable to expect. I came into the season with very low expectations, convinced that the absence of any reliable perimeter shooters would be insurmountable. Disappointed in the schedule but willing to cut Ewing some slack as he transitioned into a new system. I believed that they would finish preseason at 9-2 and go 4-14 in the BE with a last place finish. Yet, I am now disappointed in this team because of how they have lost two winnable home games against decent-good teams and the sloppy play that continued in the last game. Had they lost solely because they cannot shoot from deep, or cannot defend the 3 or because they have too many freshmen adjusting to the step up in competition, so be it. In truth, each of those factors have been major impediments to the team's start in BE play. But even with the deck arguably stacked against the Hoyas from a talent perspective they played reasonably well against the Orange and Butler and held comfortable second-half leads. My disappointment comes entirely from undisciplined and careless play and the lack of focus/court awareness that is occurring during these games. One or two bad turnovers happen to everyone, but some of the careless and out of control TOs that have been apparent throughout the season have been a major disappointment and to my thinking not fairly characterized as a talent issue.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 1, 2018 11:49:10 GMT -5
I agree it needs to be a goal to beat DePaul on Tuesday. I realize this team won’t be getting to the NCAA tournament and likely not the NIT either, but I still want to win games. And of course, it’s a goal to have our team improve throughout the season (something I haven’t really seen thus far outside Govan and Derrickson). To me, it would be meaningful to play better in February than now, even if our record stinks. This game against DePaul really will define how the season will go and how high our ceiling will be. It’s also our most likely win of the remaining away games, even if we will be an underdog. That said, I do agree with the original post to some degree. I think a lot of people came into this season with unrealistic expectations. We lost our two best players from a 5-13 team and didn’t replace them with anybody even remotely as good. I know there may have been some expectation that Ewing would make our current players better, but aside from Govan and maybe Derrickson that hasn’t happened. Ideas that guys like Mulmore would improve from a better “system” haven’t panned out. It’s definiely a rebuild and not one that’s going to immediately happen this year. Agree. However, I have a slightly different take on what is reasonable to expect. I came into the season with very low expectations, convinced that the absence of any reliable perimeter shooters would be insurmountable. Disappointed in the schedule but willing to cut Ewing some slack as he transitioned into a new system. I believed that they would finish preseason at 9-2 and go 4-14 in the BE with a last place finish. Yet, I am now disappointed in this team because of how they have lost two winnable home games against decent-good teams and the sloppy play that continued in the last game. Had they lost solely because they cannot shoot from deep, or cannot defend the 3 or because they have too many freshmen adjusting to the step up in competition, so be it. In truth, each of those factors have been major impediments to the team's start in BE play. But even with the deck arguably stacked against the Hoyas from a talent perspective they played reasonably well against the Orange and Butler and held comfortable second-half leads. My disappointment comes entirely from undisciplined and careless play and the lack of focus/court awareness that is occurring during these games. One or two bad turnovers happen to everyone, but some of the careless and out of control TOs that have been apparent throughout the season have been a major disappointment and to my thinking not fairly characterized as a talent issue. Gotta disagree. A lack of talent will manifest itself in not just sloppy play (TO's especially) but also in mental mistakes and just plain poor basketball IQ. Has anyone else noticed how many times our guards will be bringing the ball up on a fast break and instead of taking it to the hoop and then either scoring or finding an one shooter will pass the ball to a big man almost as soon as they cross mid court thus putting the ball in the hands of someone who is way too far from the basket to do anything good with it. Notice how smart Nova guards have been over the past 3-4 years. They are not just shooters or playmakers but also floor leaders who see the floor and usually make the right play, be it a shot, an assist, or just pulling the ball out and re-setting. Give this team a Brunson or an Archidiacano and then if we continue to lose winnable games I will agree that it might be time to look at coaching.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 1, 2018 13:34:21 GMT -5
I understand your point and clearly there are turnovers that can be attributed to a lack of talent, particularly with respect to basketball IQ. I think we are focusing on different TOs. Carelessly flipping the ball back to a teammate who is closely guarded, making the “highlight” pass out of bounds, throwing a pass behind the intended recipient or much too high, and telegraphing a pass, do not in my opinion reflect a lack of talent but are more related to discipline and focus. I have seen many teams with limited talent avoid some of these mistakes.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 1, 2018 13:37:16 GMT -5
We are trying to play an up tempo game - but with guards who aren't great ball handlers and also can't shoot, and are therefore forced to try to drive against collapsed defenses, resulting in forced passes, offensive fouls and other SMH turnovers.
Can't expect more than baby steps from our guards this year. But yes, there are improvements we need to see.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 1, 2018 15:08:57 GMT -5
We are trying to play an up tempo game - but with guards who aren't great ball handlers and also can't shoot, and are therefore forced to try to drive against collapsed defenses, resulting in forced passes, offensive fouls and other SMH turnovers. Can't expect more than baby steps from our guards this year. But yes, there are improvements we need to see. I tend to agree with this which makes me ask, why play uptempo then? If you don't have the personnel shouldn't a staff find a different way?
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 1, 2018 15:17:57 GMT -5
We are trying to play an up tempo game - but with guards who aren't great ball handlers and also can't shoot, and are therefore forced to try to drive against collapsed defenses, resulting in forced passes, offensive fouls and other SMH turnovers. Can't expect more than baby steps from our guards this year. But yes, there are improvements we need to see. I tend to agree with this which makes me ask, why play uptempo then? If you don't have the personnel shouldn't a staff find a different way? It's a good question for this team, and I'm guessing the answer is that PE wants his own system in place from game 1--the idea being that anyone who is here next year and going forward will benefit. However, that response would make more sense if we had young, developing ball-handling guards, so I suppose it's a YMMV as to whether Blair and/or Mosely qualify. The lack of a true viable underclass PG on this team is not only setting the development of an uptempo system this year, but it will do so next year due to the learning curve for whoever that player is.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 1, 2018 16:17:53 GMT -5
I tend to agree with this which makes me ask, why play uptempo then? If you don't have the personnel shouldn't a staff find a different way? It's a good question for this team, and I'm guessing the answer is that PE wants his own system in place from game 1--the idea being that anyone who is here next year and going forward will benefit. However, that response would make make more sense if we had young, developing ball-handling guards, so I suppose it's a YMMV as to whether Blair and/or Mosely qualify. The lack of a true viable underclass PG on this team is not only setting the development of an uptempo system this year, but it will do so next year due to the learning curve for whoever that player is. I think we saw last year what happens when you don't play uptempo with this set of players. I think PE figures we have better chances of scoring if we play aggressive man defense and score off transition than trying to run a control type offense with guys who aren't great ball handlers, don't shoot 3's very well, and don't have high basketball IQ's. We saw in the Syracuse and Butler games especially, what happens when teams can get back on defense, go to a zone, and slow us down.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 1, 2018 18:00:44 GMT -5
Why wait? This year's team was never going to be an NCAA squad, so since Patrick wants to install an uptempo system, get the players used to it now, so that it is in place for next year; the guys that are returning next year can already be comfortable with it; and as more players who fit the system are brought in, everything is already in place.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 1, 2018 21:08:44 GMT -5
We have now showed twice we can play with mid to upper tier major conf teams. DePaul is one we should win.
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