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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 5, 2018 14:26:47 GMT -5
Rebounding is a skill with many parts. Boxing out. Anticipation where a missed shot is most likely to come off. Bounce. And determination. Looks like Pickett has been working on that skill pretty hard. Which is no surprise, since we have seen multiple mentions of how hard he works.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 6, 2018 11:53:19 GMT -5
I had not thought of the Reggie/Pickett comp previously, but looking back on it, there are definitely some similar skills/traits for sure. Reggie came in as the unanimous #1 high school recruit and was a 6th man contributing 9ppg on one of the best NCAA Championship college teams ever assembled. So, there are some immediate qualifications we need to add.
Jamorko's mid-season swoon and rebound is definitely one of the most important, if not the most important, story lines of the year.
Mosely/McClung, Blair, Pickett at the 1-2-3 next year is starting to look pretty promising. If Govan and Derrickson both return, you have to think we are at least a .500 ball club in conference and back competing for a tournament bid.
Agree with others that another pure PG type for steady ball handling and perimeter defense would be most welcome. Shouldn't be too difficult to find someone of at least the Mulmore/Dickerson level or better.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 6, 2018 12:41:38 GMT -5
I had not thought of the Reggie/Pickett comp previously, but looking back on it, there are definitely some similar skills/traits for sure. Reggie came in as the unanimous #1 high school recruit and was a 6th man contributing 9ppg on one of the best NCAA Championship college teams ever assembled. So, there are some immediate qualifications we need to add. Jamorko's mid-season swoon and rebound is definitely one of the most important, if not the most important, story lines of the year. Mosely/McClung, Blair, Pickett at the 1-2-3 next year is starting to look pretty promising. If Govan and Derrickson both return, you have to think we are at least a .500 ball club in conference and back competing for a tournament bid.Agree with others that another pure PG type for steady ball handling and perimeter defense would be most welcome. Shouldn't be too difficult to find someone of at least the Mulmore/Dickerson level or better. People need to stop with all of this lowering of expectations. If Govan and Dickerson return they would arguably be the best one-two punch at the four and five in all of college basketball. Guys like them who can shoot from the perimeter but are also strong enough to post up down low and are experienced seniors to boot? That would be a rarity. Even if the Dukes of the world bring in big men with higher upside those players would still be freshmen who won't have all the years of college hoops savvy under their belts. In the Big East a senior duo of Govan and Derrickson would mean the Hoyas are likely to have the best frontcourt in the conference. Did anyone see how Xavier's Coach Mack reference the two of them during his chat just before he walked into the locker room for halftime during Saturday's game? Mack has been snarky about Gtown in the past but there was nothing but admiration and concern for what Govan and Derrickson are capable of. Bringing those two guys back along with an improving Pickett, Blair and Mosely alone should put Gtown in a good position to make the tourney. With the incoming recruits to add depth it should be a no-brainer that Gtown is definitely above .500 ball in the conference.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 6, 2018 12:51:06 GMT -5
I had not thought of the Reggie/Pickett comp previously, but looking back on it, there are definitely some similar skills/traits for sure. Reggie came in as the unanimous #1 high school recruit and was a 6th man contributing 9ppg on one of the best NCAA Championship college teams ever assembled. So, there are some immediate qualifications we need to add. Jamorko's mid-season swoon and rebound is definitely one of the most important, if not the most important, story lines of the year. Mosely/McClung, Blair, Pickett at the 1-2-3 next year is starting to look pretty promising. If Govan and Derrickson both return, you have to think we are at least a .500 ball club in conference and back competing for a tournament bid.Agree with others that another pure PG type for steady ball handling and perimeter defense would be most welcome. Shouldn't be too difficult to find someone of at least the Mulmore/Dickerson level or better. People need to stop with all of this lowering of expectations. If Govan and Dickerson return they would arguably be the best one-two punch at the four and five in all of college basketball. Guys like them who can shoot from the perimeter but are also strong enough to post up down low and are experienced seniors to boot? That would be a rarity. Even if the Dukes of the world bring in big men with higher upside those players would still be freshmen who won't have all the years of college hoops savvy under their belts. In the Big East a senior duo of Govan and Derrickson would mean the Hoyas are likely to have the best frontcourt in the conference. Did anyone see how Xavier's Coach Mack reference the two of them during his chat just before he walked into the locker room for halftime during Saturday's game? Mack has been snarky about Gtown in the past but there was nothing but admiration and concern for what Govan and Derrickson are capable of. Bringing those two guys back along with an improving Pickett, Blair and Mosely alone should put Gtown in a good position to make the tourney. With the incoming recruits to add depth it should be a no-brainer that Gtown is definitely above .500 ball in the conference. MCI - love you bro like few others on this board. But not sure I need to "stop" anything. You know I'm the man with the plan. Hahaha...! Seriously, though, I'm more of a "baby steps," temper expectations kind of fan. I did say "at least" .500 in conference, which puts my baseline expectation level at 10-11 conference wins, which almost assuredly results in an NCAA invitation. More importantly than predicting outcomes for next season, I must say I am having much more fun this year than I thought I could. We are seeing tremendous improvement and the results should follow. In another thread, I put forward the chance for a 7 conference win season, which would be a GREAT result for this team. It's a wonder what lowering expectations can do to your mindset and overall Hoya health!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 7, 2018 1:36:54 GMT -5
This is crazy talk. They can both shoot. I love both their effort. Neither defends a lick. Neither is reliable scoring against any size.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 7, 2018 5:11:47 GMT -5
This is crazy talk. They can both shoot. I love both their effort. Neither defends a lick. Neither is reliable scoring against any size. Speaking of crazy. With the Gtown upperclassmen guards as well as Kaleb Johnson being pretty much hot garbage and with the younger perimeter guys still finding their way and making the adjustment, Govan and Dickerson have been the dudes responsible for this season not being a total disaster. In fact this team has been much more competitive this season than prognosticators and fans (like yourself) expected, with the team falling just short of knocking off teams that were expected to stomp over them. If anything the Hoyas have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in most of those games. The Hoyas were only in position to win those games because of Govan and Dickerson's presence on the team. This is a Pickett thread so I don't want to spend so much space on Jessie and Marcus, but I don't agree with your take about being unreliable to score against size. I feel great with those guys getting touches in the paint. They don't always knock them down during those opportunities, but you want then taking the shots nonetheless. Govan especially has more of an issue with effort than size. BE coaches instruct their players to double Govan and Dickerson when they have the ball down low which speaks far more to their effectiveness inside than you are willing to see. And besides there is the factor that the two of them are playing with guards who for the most part still need a lot of work in learning how to deliver the interior pass inside as well as driving to the hole to set up a dish in the paint. Neither is a very good defender but both are solid enough. What they lack in defense they make up for in rebounding and the ability to score in a variety of ways. One knock on them is that they both still don't consistently put up very good to great numbers in the same game. Marcus in particular seems almost more effective when Govan is off the floor. That said the two are one of the most formidable frontcourt pairings in all of college basketball just based upon their numbers alone. And if both return next season the should take it to another level and perhaps become an elite frontcourt pairing. This is their first college season in which they seemed more inclined to go inside in the first place, next year as seniors they should have an even greater advantage over the competition. If you can project a bunch of other frontcourt duos who will be better next season then so be it. But I'm sticking with my opinion no matter how nuts you think it is.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 7, 2018 7:51:42 GMT -5
Pickett had a very good, confident game last night. With another offseason in the weight room and more maturity - the kid is going to be a star.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 7, 2018 8:53:46 GMT -5
Pickett had a very good, confident game last night. With another offseason in the weight room and more maturity - the kid is going to be a star. Totally agree. Still think he loses focus regarding defensive rebounding on occasion, but he is a freshman, and has significantly improved already there. That inbounds pass to no one late, however, was incredibly unfortunate.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 7, 2018 9:02:19 GMT -5
Pickett had a very good, confident game last night. With another offseason in the weight room and more maturity - the kid is going to be a star. That inbounds pass to no one late, however, was incredibly unfortunate. Yup. Looked to me like whoever was directly in front of him (Mosely? Johnson?) started to break long, then stopped. He threw a lead pass with the break.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 7, 2018 9:04:04 GMT -5
Yup - that's exactly what happened. Believe it was Kaleb.
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Post by TC on Feb 7, 2018 9:04:30 GMT -5
Pickett had a very good, confident game last night. With another offseason in the weight room and more maturity - the kid is going to be a star. Totally agree. Still think he loses focus regarding defensive rebounding on occasion, but he is a freshman, and has significantly improved already there. That inbounds pass to no one late, however, was incredibly unfortunate. Can we talk about that play for a second? They ran something similar later where it looked like a timed break to the middle of the floor. I'd love to see a replay (if someone knows where to find video, point me to it), but it looked to me like it was botched timing and we are just running overly complex out of bounds plays because our guards can't dribble up the floor.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 7, 2018 9:09:32 GMT -5
I think Dan McQ got it right from my memory - someone (I think Kaleb) started to break forward to be available for a lob pass from Pickett, then changed his mind. Unfortunately, Pickett released the ball as the outlet turned back toward the defensive hoop for a shorter pass.
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 7, 2018 9:25:05 GMT -5
This is crazy talk. They can both shoot. I love both their effort. Neither defends a lick. Neither is reliable scoring against any size. Agreed. It's absurd. They are quality players. Their numbers are also a bit inflated because it's a guard's game and we have maybe the weakest of all high major teams so we consistently pound it inside to them. It's a good frontcourt, especially offensively. It's very poor defensively. Not the best in the country.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Feb 7, 2018 9:41:13 GMT -5
Re-focusing on Jamorko to say that I think his game is really growing before our eyes. It's probably comfort level too, but kudos to him for facing some adversity and not only playing his way out of it, but getting better. He's improved defensively -- pure activity and help defense -- but his passing has really taken a leap. Last night, he made some terrific passes to find an inside player for a high percentage hoop while passing on an open shot. I like the arc his season is taking.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 7, 2018 10:02:19 GMT -5
This is crazy talk. They can both shoot. I love both their effort. Neither defends a lick. Neither is reliable scoring against any size. Agreed. It's absurd. They are quality players. Their numbers are also a bit inflated because it's a guard's game and we have maybe the weakest of all high major teams so we consistently pound it inside to them. It's a good frontcourt, especially offensively. It's very poor defensively. Not the best in the country. I think he was just talking offensively, no doubt they need work on the defensive end, but Jessie in particular is getting better. Your argument about inflated numbers conveniently fails to recognize that because of that weak guard play, teams can game plan almost exclusively against Doc and Jessie, and double team more than they could if we had even average guard play. The best in the country, even arguably? Yeah, probably a stretch. But if they both can make similar jumps in their games next year as they have this year, certainly top ten.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 7, 2018 11:31:00 GMT -5
This is crazy talk. They can both shoot. I love both their effort. Neither defends a lick. Neither is reliable scoring against any size. Speaking of crazy. With the Gtown upperclassmen guards as well as Kaleb Johnson being pretty much hot garbage and with the younger perimeter guys still finding their way and making the adjustment, Govan and Dickerson have been the dudes responsible for this season not being a total disaster. In fact this team has been much more competitive this season than prognosticators and fans (like yourself) expected, with the team falling just short of knocking off teams that were expected to stomp over them. If anything the Hoyas have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in most of those games. The Hoyas were only in position to win those games because of Govan and Dickerson's presence on the team. This is a Pickett thread so I don't want to spend so much space on Jessie and Marcus, but I don't agree with your take about being unreliable to score against size. I feel great with those guys getting touches in the paint. They don't always knock them down during those opportunities, but you want then taking the shots nonetheless. Govan especially has more of an issue with effort than size. BE coaches instruct their players to double Govan and Dickerson when they have the ball down low which speaks far more to their effectiveness inside than you are willing to see. And besides there is the factor that the two of them are playing with guards who for the most part still need a lot of work in learning how to deliver the interior pass inside as well as driving to the hole to set up a dish in the paint. Neither is a very good defender but both are solid enough. What they lack in defense they make up for in rebounding and the ability to score in a variety of ways. One knock on them is that they both still don't consistently put up very good to great numbers in the same game. Marcus in particular seems almost more effective when Govan is off the floor. That said the two are one of the most formidable frontcourt pairings in all of college basketball just based upon their numbers alone. And if both return next season the should take it to another level and perhaps become an elite frontcourt pairing. This is their first college season in which they seemed more inclined to go inside in the first place, next year as seniors they should have an even greater advantage over the competition. If you can project a bunch of other frontcourt duos who will be better next season then so be it. But I'm sticking with my opinion no matter how nuts you think it is. I've been impressed with how we've been in games and the freshmen, but I also predicted six BE wins. We'll see if we get there. Last night was a huge blow to that. Marcus has been great this year on offense, but Govan has roughly average in offensive efficiency in the Big East and both are subpar defenders. Even if I give you average, I'm not quite sure how these guys, with limited athleticism and upside, somehow vault to the top of college basketball. You are putting way too much stock in counting stats on a bad team. And I don't think it is effort, at least not in the traditional sense. Marcus has definitely worked on his game and brings it. But he's not tall and he can't jump. Govan is just soft. I see him work hard on the boards, but he just isn't a banger. People wil view that as a shot at his character, but I don't mean it that way. Some guys simply play to contact; they know how to use it and are comfortable with it. Govan clearly isn't -- you can see he needs to work at initiating. As for Pickett, I love his progression. I'd like to see him be a bit greedier and try a bit more -- I think he can attack more, and I'd be fine with some bad plays if it drove long term improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 11:32:53 GMT -5
This kid has 89 rebounds on the season. 39/44% of his total rebounds on the season have come in his last 5 games.
He's averaging 7.8 rbds over his last 5, that's a nice trend we hope continues...
Had a decent game last night against a tough physical Provi team... 7pts (2-7), 7rbds, 3assts, 1 blk.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 7, 2018 11:39:54 GMT -5
This kid has 89 rebounds on the season. 39/44% of his total rebounds on the season have come in his last 5 games. He's averaging 7.8 rbds over his last 5, that's a nice trend we hope continues... Had a decent game last night against a tough physical Provi team... 7pts (2-7), 7rbds, 3assts, 1 blk. And two of those assists were tremendous feeds to Jessie for layups.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 7, 2018 11:43:54 GMT -5
This kid has 89 rebounds on the season. 39/44% of his total rebounds on the season have come in his last 5 games. He's averaging 7.8 rbds over his last 5, that's a nice trend we hope continues... Had a decent game last night against a tough physical Provi team... 7pts (2-7), 7rbds, 3assts, 1 blk. Yes, his rebounding has hugely improved. It makes him a lot more valuable. It's encouraging.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 7, 2018 11:54:56 GMT -5
This kid has 89 rebounds on the season. 39/44% of his total rebounds on the season have come in his last 5 games. He's averaging 7.8 rbds over his last 5, that's a nice trend we hope continues... Had a decent game last night against a tough physical Provi team... 7pts (2-7), 7rbds, 3assts, 1 blk. Yes, his rebounding has hugely improved. It makes him a lot more valuable. It's encouraging. His entire game has really improved over the last few weeks. Rebounding, defense and ball handling have looked much better. His outside shot is more consistent and he looks to be getting that confidence back. They say he is a very hard worker and it seems to be paying off for him lately. Great to see.
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