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Post by iowa80 on Mar 27, 2023 21:06:21 GMT -5
Very sad event. So let’s have some concrete proposals, consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence, to prevent these incidents instead of the usual bloviating. Anyone?
Perhaps there’s actually a substantive and sensible piece of legislature of which I’m unaware.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2023 2:12:50 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 28, 2023 6:26:12 GMT -5
Very sad event. So let’s have some concrete proposals, consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence, to prevent these incidents instead of the usual bloviating. Anyone? Perhaps there’s actually a substantive and sensible piece of legislature of which I’m unaware. Part of the problem is the “jurisprudence” around the second amendment. When drafting it, I sincerely doubt the founding fathers intended it to serve as a license for people to shoot up schools with guns that fire hundreds of rounds a minute. Even modest attempts to control guns in any meaningful way are thwarted by the gun lobby and bought and paid for politicians. Call it bloviating all you want, unlike those really powerful “thoughts and prayer” by Republicans that really seem to get at the heart of the issue and address it on a substantive level.
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Post by Massholya on Mar 28, 2023 7:17:02 GMT -5
Ok. I’ll take a crack at it. Ban weapons designed for war and the specific purpose of shooting other humans. Even with a prompt police response, these weapons allow the discharge of hundreds of rounds of ammunition. These firearms have no role in hunting and are NOT a sporting rifle. Limit magazine capacities to 6 shots. Should be enough for “self defense”. Founding fathers NEVER intended the population to be held hostage by the perverted fetishes of a small portion of the population.
Next universal background checks with waiting periods and required licensure and training. We require these for driving a potentially deadly item like a car. Why not for guns? Is this consistent with “jurisprudence”? I’m not anti-gun and have many friends who hunt and keep guns. Most of them agree with these sorts of measures. It is the only the ones who are NRA crazies who voice disagreement. Why do the rest of us have to suffer because of this small portion of the population.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 28, 2023 8:29:08 GMT -5
Here's the issue in a nutshell with regard to passing real legislation:
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 28, 2023 11:19:27 GMT -5
Optimistic prediction which is wholly contrary to my nature: Just as the Dobbs decision caused the GOP death cult to underperform in the 2022 midterm elections, the issue of gun safety may be a winner for the Democratic Party and put an end to the hypocritical fascist GOP death cult. In his opening prayer Tuesday, the Senate chaplain delivered a rare and pointed plea for lawmakers to take action a day after a shooter killed six people at a private Christian school in Nashville, only the latest in a relentless barrage of gun violence in the United States. On the Senate floor, the chamber’s longtime chaplain, retired Rear Adm. Barry C. Black, alluded to the fact that three of the victims in Monday’s shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville were 9-year-old students. “Lord, when babies die at a church school, it is time for us to move beyond thoughts and prayers,” Black declared in his distinctive baritone. “Remind our lawmakers of the words of the British statesman Edmund Burke: ‘All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.’” www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/28/us-senate-chaplain-tennessee-shooting/
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Post by Massholya on Mar 28, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -5
Here's the issue in a nutshell with regard to passing real legislation: Jon tore him apart. All of his hypocrisy on full display but these zealots will never admit they’re wrong. They have been brainwashed by the gun industry and are so dug in on this issue that they are akin to fundamentalist religious zealots. Their perverse beliefs have been normalized and fostered over the past 20 years by a greedy industry that walks across the backs of dead Americans on its way to the bank to deposit its massive amounts of cash. They have fooled a portion of the population into believing this is “freedom”.
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 28, 2023 12:04:12 GMT -5
Here's the issue in a nutshell with regard to passing real legislation: Interesting that when it comes to guns, it’s the people that are responsible for the deaths. When it comes to fentanyl, it’s the fentanyl responsible for the deaths, not the people using the fentanyl. The mental gymnastics to absolve guns in gun deaths is astounding.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2023 15:14:28 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Mar 29, 2023 13:11:20 GMT -5
Apparently, Gavin didn't read the entire post. She is "assisting." She's praying. That's the extent of "assistance" most "Republicans" are prepared to provide regardless of both the desires of their constituents and the continued deaths of innocent people, especially children. So MUCH pro-life energy, amirite?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 29, 2023 19:10:05 GMT -5
A friend’s daughter, gunned down pulling the fire alarm to warn others:
How much more of this BS do we have to put up with?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 29, 2023 19:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by Massholya on Mar 29, 2023 19:38:29 GMT -5
A friend’s daughter, gunned down pulling the fire alarm to warn others: How much more of this BS do we have to put up with? Was Listening to an interview yesterday of a Republican senator essentially saying that the “risk” of background checks and red flag laws potentially delaying an individual’s rapid access to gun outweighed the benefit of preventing people with severe mental health problems from getting a gun. I practically threw up in my mouth. These folks are seriously morally bereft.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 29, 2023 19:47:07 GMT -5
Optimistic prediction which is wholly contrary to my nature: Just as the Dobbs decision caused the GOP death cult to underperform in the 2022 midterm elections, the issue of gun safety may be a winner for the Democratic Party and put an end to the hypocritical fascist GOP death cult. In his opening prayer Tuesday, the Senate chaplain delivered a rare and pointed plea for lawmakers to take action a day after a shooter killed six people at a private Christian school in Nashville, only the latest in a relentless barrage of gun violence in the United States. On the Senate floor, the chamber’s longtime chaplain, retired Rear Adm. Barry C. Black, alluded to the fact that three of the victims in Monday’s shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville were 9-year-old students. “Lord, when babies die at a church school, it is time for us to move beyond thoughts and prayers,” Black declared in his distinctive baritone. “Remind our lawmakers of the words of the British statesman Edmund Burke: ‘All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.’” www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/28/us-senate-chaplain-tennessee-shooting/I wish I could share your confidence, but it hasn't happened yet, and I'm inclined to think that it still won't happen in 2024.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 29, 2023 21:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Mar 29, 2023 22:09:20 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 30, 2023 5:25:45 GMT -5
Optimistic prediction which is wholly contrary to my nature: Just as the Dobbs decision caused the GOP death cult to underperform in the 2022 midterm elections, the issue of gun safety may be a winner for the Democratic Party and put an end to the hypocritical fascist GOP death cult. In his opening prayer Tuesday, the Senate chaplain delivered a rare and pointed plea for lawmakers to take action a day after a shooter killed six people at a private Christian school in Nashville, only the latest in a relentless barrage of gun violence in the United States. On the Senate floor, the chamber’s longtime chaplain, retired Rear Adm. Barry C. Black, alluded to the fact that three of the victims in Monday’s shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville were 9-year-old students. “Lord, when babies die at a church school, it is time for us to move beyond thoughts and prayers,” Black declared in his distinctive baritone. “Remind our lawmakers of the words of the British statesman Edmund Burke: ‘All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.’” www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/28/us-senate-chaplain-tennessee-shooting/I wish I could share your confidence, but it hasn't happened yet, and I'm inclined to think that it still won't happen in 2024. The polling data in favor of gun control (even among Republicans) mirrors that of abortion prior to the 2022 midterms and there is two more years of mass shootings in the offing. That parallek gives me reason for hope. The MAGA cult nominates Mngo for Prez again (75% GOPers still support him even if indicted) so he can lead them to defeat again with insanea candidates who pledge fealty to the malignant narcissist.
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 30, 2023 5:42:28 GMT -5
I wish I could share your confidence, but it hasn't happened yet, and I'm inclined to think that it still won't happen in 2024. The polling data in favor of gun control (even among Republicans) mirrors that of abortion prior to the 2022 midterms and there is two more years of mass shootingd in the offering. That parallek gives me reason for hope. The MAGA cult nominstes Msngo for Prez again (75% GOPers still support him even if indicted) so he can lead them to defeat again with insane candidates who pledge fealty to the malignant narcissist. I was reading about some interviews with MAGA nuts in Waco. They completely believe that his indictment helps him in the general election. One guy interviewed was absolutely sure that an indictment would even make democrats vote for Trump. These people are incredibly delusional. I am not as confident as you are that gun control will be a deciding issue, but I hope it will be. Something absolutely needs to be done. My wife wept for an hour after hearing about the Nashville shooting. It’s just too much. People really only focus on the deaths, which are absolutely tragic, but seldom focus on the trauma for the surviving children. An untold number of kids from every shooting will likely suffer long term psychological consequences from surviving such horror.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 30, 2023 5:48:07 GMT -5
The polling data in favor of gun control (even among Republicans) mirrors that of abortion prior to the 2022 midterms and there is two more years of mass shootingd in the offering. That parallek gives me reason for hope. The MAGA cult nominstes Msngo for Prez again (75% GOPers still support him even if indicted) so he can lead them to defeat again with insane candidates who pledge fealty to the malignant narcissist. I was reading about some interviews with MAGA nuts in Waco. They completely believe that his indictment helps him in the general election. One guy interviewed was absolutely sure that an indictment would even make democrats vote for Trump. These people are incredibly delusional. I am not as confident as you are that gun control will be a deciding issue, but I hope it will be. Something absolutely needs to be done. My wife wept for an hour after hearing about the Nashville shooting. It’s just too much. People really only focus on the deaths, which are absolutely tragic, but seldom focus on the trauma for the surviving children. An untold number of kids from every shooting will likely suffer long term psychological consequences from surviving such horror. In the best of all possible worlds, DeSantis wins the GOP nomination and Mango runs as an independent. But DeSantis is an empty suit with Ivy credentials and I don't see him beating Mango. The other reason for optimism is that the gun control issue truly resonates with younger voters. If they can mobilize in 2024, the GOP cult should be in trouble. I am (and I assume you are as well) of an age when we didn't have to go through active shooter drills in elementary school. This is real not only to the kids but to their parents. poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3870marchforourlives.com/2022-poll/
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 30, 2023 9:10:03 GMT -5
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