SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 1, 2022 18:25:04 GMT -5
This time a hospital. TULSA, Oklahoma — Multiple people were shot at a Tulsa medical building on a hospital campus Wednesday and “some unfortunately were killed.” a police captain said. Tulsa police said in a Facebook post just before 6 p.m. that the shooter was dead. It was unclear how the shooter died. “Officers are currently going through every room in the building checking for additional threats,” police said. “We know there are multiple injuries, and potentially multiple casualties.” Tulsa police Capt. Richard Meulenberg said multiple people were wounded and that “some unfortunately were killed.” He sais it was a “catastrophic scene.” St. Francis Health System locked down its campus Wednesday afternoon because of the situation at the Natalie Medical Building. The Natalie building houses an outpatient surgery center and a breast health center. SOURCE: Washington Post, June 1, 2022 www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/01/tulsa-shooter-medical-center/ |
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Post by Massholya on Jun 1, 2022 19:28:56 GMT -5
This time a hospital. TULSA, Oklahoma — Multiple people were shot at a Tulsa medical building on a hospital campus Wednesday and “some unfortunately were killed.” a police captain said. Tulsa police said in a Facebook post just before 6 p.m. that the shooter was dead. It was unclear how the shooter died. “Officers are currently going through every room in the building checking for additional threats,” police said. “We know there are multiple injuries, and potentially multiple casualties.” Tulsa police Capt. Richard Meulenberg said multiple people were wounded and that “some unfortunately were killed.” He sais it was a “catastrophic scene.” St. Francis Health System locked down its campus Wednesday afternoon because of the situation at the Natalie Medical Building. The Natalie building houses an outpatient surgery center and a breast health center. SOURCE: Washington Post, June 1, 2022 Need to arm patients, doctors, teachers, everyone! Everyone get yourself a gun. How else can we stop these SHOOTINGS but with more instruments of SHOOTING. |
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Post by bluegray79 on Jun 1, 2022 22:33:59 GMT -5
Watching this Frontline about school shootings. Tough viewing but necessary for me not to forget for even one moment how insane and outrageous this is. What do we need to inspire/provoke us to speak up and call out those who lie and obfuscate to allow children to continue to be shot in schools, patients to be killed in a hospital, shoppers cut down in a grocery store, teens everyday killed in their neighborhoods, countless families losing loved ones to suicide by guns? We have to be bold and unequivocal -- the American public will support those who step up to protect all of us from gun violence. Let's be those people. www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/nra-under-fire/ |
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Post by bluegray79 on Jun 2, 2022 6:07:02 GMT -5
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Post by bluegray79 on Jun 2, 2022 6:10:34 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 2, 2022 7:15:04 GMT -5
Not a favorite writer around here but. . . If the NCAA had any moral standards, it would move the Men’s and Women’s Final Fours — one scheduled for Houston, one slated for Dallas — out of Texas next year. It would move all of its other championships from the state, too. And it would vow not to return until Texas reforms its gun laws. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/06/02/ncaa-texas-championships-gun-laws/ |
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Post by TC on Jun 2, 2022 10:00:25 GMT -5
(a) they don't care if you or your kids live or die (b) they'll be shielded from the pictures because the media that they consume will not show them - it will say that the families are actors, the shooting was a false flag, or that we can be protected by doors or mental health initiatives they will never fund (c) every MSM person begging for open casket pictures because they think that is the thing that will wake Republicans up is out of touch with Republicans and ghoulish |
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Post by hoya73 on Jun 2, 2022 10:22:26 GMT -5
So, if cops find a gun in a car with 5 teens and can't convict one because it cannot be proved whose gun it is, are the guns still off the streets? Surely none of the 5 ask for their gun back. Convictions would be better, but there is a silver lining. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 2, 2022 11:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 2, 2022 12:25:52 GMT -5
I think likely yes on both. Seems like so much room for common sense consensus legislation like this on waiting periods, background checks and red-flag laws. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 2, 2022 12:30:25 GMT -5
I think likely yes on both. Seems like so much room for common sense consensus legislation like this on waiting periods, background checks and red-flag laws. And even if a waiting period would not necessarily stop any particular shooting incident it's an affirmation of public policy against gun availability and a step toward changing this country's deadly gun culture promulgated as part of the MAGA GOP's culture war to motivate their violent base. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 2, 2022 20:18:59 GMT -5
Great stuff. Absolutely fantastic. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 2, 2022 20:20:42 GMT -5
Now the MAGA GOP coverup can't blame a teacher as it initially tried. Everyone and everything at fault except the easy availability of semi-automatic weapons for 18-year olds, which were banned from 1994-2004. Four days after saying that the gunman who massacred children in a Uvalde, Tex., elementary school had gotten inside through a door “propped open by a teacher,” the state agency investigating the massacre now says the educator had closed the door. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/31/uvalde-teacher-door-closed/Total blinders and cognitive dissonance abounds. I'm glad the finding is that the door wasn't left open by a teacher, but I'm inclined to go first to the 19 police officers dispatched to the scene who had special training for this very type of situation -- all good guys with guns, one would presume -- who did little to nothing to help the students in Rooms 111 and 112. So for anyone thinking we can arm more and more people to protect our schools, no. Most schools prepare and practice for such events, and Robb Elementary seemed to have done due diligence in that regard. And even with that, the human error and judgment was inexplicably poor. Everyone who has been in extreme duress and shock-inducing events may know that we practice and prepare, but nothing can predict that events and reactions will unfold as expected. Still, to get bogged down in that discussion is to ignore that what brought an 18-year old with 2 legally purchased AR-15's to an elementary school with the intent to harm others. So, if the first conversation starter is "Are you o.k. with children getting murdered in their classrooms and folks getting gunned down in their grocery store or mall or movie theater or anywhere?", the followup can/should be "Do you think all of the factors that lead up to an incident like those in Buffalo or Uvalde are o.k., i.e., in the best interest of the safety of school and community members?" THAT's where the discussion needs to focus ultimately, I think. It will stop Ted Cruz, et.al. from proposing "hardening" a venue by making only one entrance and one exit with armed guards, etc. -- that will do nothing except make our schools and public places even more like a prison. It will also open up a chance to talk about restricted access to guns, universal background checks, red flag laws, banning assault weapons, gun owner safety and storage, training and registration whe you buy a gun and regular renewal of those. I mostly want to be this guy when I'm out playing superhero: And Traitor Cruz couldn't give a flying #$%@$ |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 2, 2022 20:23:52 GMT -5
Today a cemetery in Racine?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 3, 2022 4:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 3, 2022 6:57:24 GMT -5
In contrast:
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Post by tashoya on Jun 3, 2022 11:21:58 GMT -5
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Post by Massholya on Jun 3, 2022 14:47:15 GMT -5
It is so odd. I guess if you are a gun fetish person, your brain just can’t comprehend the idea that not everyone wants to be armed all the time. I guess they come from the mindset of “who wouldn’t want a gun on them all the time”. They just don’t understand that teachers didn’t go into teaching thinking of it as a potentially life threatening profession. They don’t WANT to be on the frontlines. They don’t WANT to be responsible if a student takes their gun and harms somebody or them. Bringing guns into school is a seriously bad idea. It is a massive law suit waiting to happen. I cannot understand how any sane person believes this to be a good idea. You can almost guarantee that it will not be long till a teacher shoots a student and then claims stand your ground defense or vice versa. What a screwy America we are being made into. |
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Post by tashoya on Jun 3, 2022 17:58:47 GMT -5
It is so odd. I guess if you are a gun fetish person, your brain just can’t comprehend the idea that not everyone wants to be armed all the time. I guess they come from the mindset of “who wouldn’t want a gun on them all the time”. They just don’t understand that teachers didn’t go into teaching thinking of it as a potentially life threatening profession. They don’t WANT to be on the frontlines. They don’t WANT to be responsible if a student takes their gun and harms somebody or them. Bringing guns into school is a seriously bad idea. It is a massive law suit waiting to happen. I cannot understand how any sane person believes this to be a good idea. You can almost guarantee that it will not be long till a teacher shoots a student and then claims stand your ground defense or vice versa. What a screwy America we are being made into. I've worked in schools. I can't tell you how often a teacher misplaces/loses something from their rooms including their phones, their keys, etc., etc. What could possibly go wrong? That's not even taking into account a teacher losing their crap as you alluded to or one or more kids who weren't able to get their hands on a gun/are too young to do so attacking a teacher for their gun. Why go to a gun store when there are already so many guns at school? Finally, does anyone think a teacher with a handgun will have a chance in hell against a kid with an AR? It just means the teachers will be shot first. |
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Post by bluegray79 on Jun 3, 2022 21:31:01 GMT -5
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