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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 26, 2020 13:26:00 GMT -5
If you are an African American coach in the NCAA you have to run a clean program or they will get you. White coaches can break all the recruiting rules over and over again and get away with it. It's not an equal playing field. This is less about black and white and far more about schools that are experienced in gumming up the wheels of NCAA justice. SEC schools know how to run out the clock on these issues and the expectation is settlement will always be less than the crime. If Kevin Ollie was winning at LSU like Will Wade was, no problem...and that's the key here, not "white privilege". When you're winning, schools in the SEC will go to bat for a coach. If you don't win, you aren't working there for long. Ask Joe Moorhead. The former Georgetown assistant signed a four year contract plus a two year extension to be head football coach at Mississippi State in 2018. Two seasons later, 14-12...gone, fired. Before him, Sylvester Croom was SEC Coach of the Year in 2007, 4-8 in 2008, fired. Ask Tubby Smith. He won at Kentucky and got 10 years there. Next up, Billy Gillispie, who lost home openers in consecutive seasons to Gardner-Webb and VMI...gone. White or black, if Will Wade was 40-54 at this point this wouldn't be an issue because Wade would be coaching at Tarleton State or somesuch job. (FWIW, that's where Gillispie is right now.) *Context matters* Croom's coaching record wasn't good at all, and when he took over when Jackie Sherril left who was there for a long time and the program was rather stale at the final few years there. Croom winning SEC CoY didn't hold enough weight for him staying at MSU. After Croom left Dan Mullen did a very good job there for a decade, until he decided to go back to UF to be the HC. Billy Gillispie had issues that wasn't pretty either outside of the Rupp Arena basketball court.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 26, 2020 13:31:31 GMT -5
Ollie won the National Championship. Wade hasn't done anything yet even with his cheating. You can't simply erase that accomplishment from Ollie's resume. Last point on this: a national title is not a free pass for Ollie. UConn admitted to the wrongdoing. And if Ed Orgeron was doing the same things Will Wade was, does a national title give him a pass, too? The only thing that keeps Ed Orgeron employed is his winning record. He was 10-25 at Ole Miss and was out in three years. That's the life of an SEC coach--it's like riding the bull for eight seconds. Some will play by the rules and hope they can hold on (Jerry Stackhouse, Rick Barnes), some hope to be slippery enough to hold on (Kermit Davis, Buzz Williams). some will cut corners, and some will break them off entirely to stay on the ride. Tom Crean, is 27-37 after two seasons at Georgia. But chances are Bruce Pearl will last longer on the bull than Crean. This excerpt from Wikipedia says as much: "Before Pearl's fourth season at Auburn, his associate head coach Chuck Person was arrested on charges of corruption and bribery. Auburn elected to hold sophomores Austin Wiley and Danjel Purifoy out of games due to eligibility concerns raised over the FBI investigation. Pearl was cited as being uncooperative with Auburn's internal investigation of the program at first, though school president Steven Leath and Pearl have since come to an understanding of expectations for the investigation. Despite the scrutiny both internally and externally and losing two players due to the investigation, Pearl led the 2017–18 team to its best record since 1999 while winning the SEC regular season championship.""Understanding of expectations" = win.
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Post by hoya95 on Aug 26, 2020 13:36:11 GMT -5
Serious question: has there been an African-American coach who has survived a major recruiting/pay-for-play or academic scandal the way Bill Self or Will Wade have so far? Or the way Jim Boeheim did? Or who got another high profile job quickly the way Bruce Pearl did? Part of the problem is obviously that there are so few African-American coaches in the first place, but I can't think of any examples.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 26, 2020 13:40:17 GMT -5
Serious question: has there been an African-American coach who has survived a major recruiting/pay-for-play or academic scandal the way Bill Self or Will Wade have so far? Or the way Jim Boeheim did? Or who got another high profile job quickly the way Bruce Pearl did? Part of the problem is obviously that there are so few African-American coaches in the first place, but I can't think of any examples. I'd probably say Clem Haskins at Minnesota or Kevin Broadus tenure at Binghamton?
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Post by hoya95 on Aug 26, 2020 14:24:23 GMT -5
Serious question: has there been an African-American coach who has survived a major recruiting/pay-for-play or academic scandal the way Bill Self or Will Wade have so far? Or the way Jim Boeheim did? Or who got another high profile job quickly the way Bruce Pearl did? Part of the problem is obviously that there are so few African-American coaches in the first place, but I can't think of any examples. I'd probably say Clem Haskins at Minnesota or Kevin Broadus tenure at Binghamton? Broadus got forced out at Binghamton even though they made the tournament. So he didn't exactly survive it. I have no recollection of Haskins. What happened there?
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 26, 2020 14:56:30 GMT -5
I'd probably say Clem Haskins at Minnesota or Kevin Broadus tenure at Binghamton? Broadus got forced out at Binghamton even though they made the tournament. So he didn't exactly survive it. I have no recollection of Haskins. What happened there? Correction, Clem Haskins resigned during the late 90's due to academic fraud.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 26, 2020 17:08:07 GMT -5
This is less about black and white and far more about schools that are experienced in gumming up the wheels of NCAA justice. SEC schools know how to run out the clock on these issues and the expectation is settlement will always be less than the crime. If Kevin Ollie was winning at LSU like Will Wade was, no problem...and that's the key here, not "white privilege". When you're winning, schools in the SEC will go to bat for a coach. If you don't win, you aren't working there for long. Ask Joe Moorhead. The former Georgetown assistant signed a four year contract plus a two year extension to be head coach at Mississippi State in 2018. Two seasons later, 14-12...gone, fired. Before him, Sylvester Croom was SEC Coach of the Year in 2007, 4-8 in 2008, fired. Ask Tubby Smith. He won at Kentucky and got 10 years there. Next up, Billy Gillispie, who lost home openers in consecutive seasons to Gardner-Webb and VMI...gone. White or black, if Will Wade was 40-54 at this point this wouldn't be an issue. Ollie won a National Championship. Will Wade hasn't done squat. Uconn wanted Ollie gone, his situation had very little to do with NCAA sanctions... The AD at Uconn saw a chance to get rid of him without owing 11 million dollars and he jumped on it, it's really that simple...
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Post by cindad on Aug 26, 2020 17:14:00 GMT -5
Broadus got forced out at Binghamton even though they made the tournament. So he didn't exactly survive it. I have no recollection of Haskins. What happened there? Correction, Clem Haskins resigned during the late 90's due to academic fraud. Kelvin Sampson got a show cause because he couldn't stay off the phone.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 26, 2020 17:40:17 GMT -5
Correction, Clem Haskins resigned during the late 90's due to academic fraud. Kelvin Sampson got a show cause because he couldn't stay off the phone. I think the following year didn't the NCAA make a change to allow texting to recruits or something that to the affect?
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 27, 2020 18:42:07 GMT -5
Ollie won a National Championship. Will Wade hasn't done squat. Uconn wanted Ollie gone, his situation had very little to do with NCAA sanctions... The AD at Uconn saw a chance to get rid of him without owing 11 million dollars and he jumped on it, it's really that simple... Why? Because of the lack of success in the years following the national championship, or other reasons?
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 28, 2020 9:24:40 GMT -5
Uconn wanted Ollie gone, his situation had very little to do with NCAA sanctions... The AD at Uconn saw a chance to get rid of him without owing 11 million dollars and he jumped on it, it's really that simple... Why? Because of the lack of success in the years following the national championship, or other reasons? Yup.. Plus add in that he didn't hire Ollie...
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Post by centercourt400s on Oct 22, 2020 14:14:31 GMT -5
Arizona Expected to Receive NCAA's Formal Allegations Stemming From Basketball Investigation by Pat Forde, Sports Illustrated "The University of Arizona is expected to receive a formal Notice of Allegations from the NCAA Thursday, multiple sources told Sports Illustrated. The notice of charges is a key step in the investigation of the school’s men’s basketball program, and the contents of the NOA could go a long way toward deciding the fate of embattled coach Sean Miller." www.si.com/college/2020/10/22/arizona-basketball-corruption-ncaa-notice-of-allegations
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Post by njhoya78 on Oct 24, 2020 12:44:11 GMT -5
I'm expecting Grand Canyon University to receive a stronger set of sanctions than Arizona will ever see.
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