bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 30, 2021 12:35:20 GMT -5
I would suggest our challenge is personnel. We desperately need a young energetic connected guy with DMV recruiting chops. We have people on staff who don’t get it done. Our staff wants the best players regardless of geography. Implicit with this statement is the fact that they don’t see the need for local success; now I’m confident that if there are two equally capable kids they do prefer local. Get better DMV recruiting staff and we’ll get a few of these kids. Win more and we’ll get more of these kids. One area which may also be a blind spot for us is the relationships that local kids have with one another. I think your last point is a really important one. The program needs to have a few local kids come to the program and have a good experience and have some personal and team success and then other local kids will view the Hoyas as a preferable spot. You are never going to get every highly rated local recruit (some kids just don't want to go to school locally) but they should do better than they have recently. I am not minimizing the need for a recruiter with strong local ties, because that also seems to be an issue, but having a successful track record with a few players would go a long way to developing a steady flow of players from the DMV.
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Post by hoya73 on Nov 30, 2021 12:54:52 GMT -5
OTOH, when they introduce our starters, 3 of 5 are introduced as being from DC, Temple Hills and Upper Marlboro.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2021 12:59:16 GMT -5
OTOH, when they introduce our starters, 3 of 5 are introduced as being from DC, Temple Hills and Upper Marlboro. Only 1 of them went to high school in DC and that 1 was recruited out of high school by low major programs, not Georgetown.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 13:00:57 GMT -5
Listing to a lot of the D1 players who have come out of the DC area in the last few years and their decision process, their first objective is to get a way from home. They all had interest from Georgetown and if staying iin the DMV was a remote interest, or if they had a family issue and needed to be close to home Georgetown would be their top choice because Ewing is everywhere and talking to evreyone.
Trying to recruit players to stay local and they want to see and live somewhere different to be their own person is hard. But, seeing older treammates and following them on Snapchat and Instagram, they really want that experiencee that is different from the DVM. They know the DMV, but they want to know more than the DMV.
Many of the players are home in the summer talking and sharing stories of where they are. The question always comes up, are you happier you went away rather than stay in the DMV and it is a 100% yes. The other question that always comes up, is if you stayed local where would you go, and nearly to a player the answer is Georgetown.
The issue isn't Georgetown isn't recruiting the DMV, it is players want to get a way from home and be their own person.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2021 13:05:45 GMT -5
Listing to a lot of the D1 players who have come out of the DC area in the last few years and their decision process, their first objective is to get a way from home. They all had interest from Georgetown and if staying iin the DMV was a remote interest, or if they had a family issue and needed to be close to home Georgetown would be their top choice because Ewing is everywhere and talking to evreyone. Trying to recruit players to stay local and they want to see and live somewhere different to be their own person is hard. But, seeing older treammates and following them on Snapchat and Instagram, they really want that experiencee that is different from the DVM. They know the DMV, but they want to know more than the DMV. Many of the players are home in the summer talking and sharing stories of where they are. The question always comes up, are you happier you went away rather than stay in the DMV and it is a 100% yes. The other question that always comes up, is if you stayed local where would you go, and nearly to a player the answer is Georgetown. The issue isn't Georgetown isn't recruiting the DMV, it is players want to get a way from home and be their own person. This is perception, not reality. It’s a case (or kid) by case (kid) situation. What we know is that DMV hs coaches have pleaded with GU and Uof M coaches to do a better job of recruiting the local kids. What we know is that SJU can have a team full of NY area kids.
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Post by hoya73 on Nov 30, 2021 13:08:14 GMT -5
Which makes recruiting local kids who "get away" during high school and are ready to come home, like Dante and Aminu, and transfers who also are ready to come home, like Terrell Allen and Carey, a sound recruiting strategy.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2021 13:17:09 GMT -5
Which makes recruiting local kids who "get away" during high school and are ready to come home, like Dante and Aminu, and transfers who also are ready to come home, like Terrell Allen and Carey, a sound recruiting strategy. Especially when nobody else at Georgetown's level is interested in recruiting those players (with the exception of Mo).
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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 13:17:19 GMT -5
Which makes recruiting local kids who "get away" during high school and are ready to come home, like Dante and Aminu, and transfers who also are ready to come home, like Terrell Allen and Carey, a sound recruiting strategy. Pretty much exactly what they are doing. The players #1 choice is to play locally is Hoyas. Many of the private runs, practices, and games with top local talent it doesn't take much to look and find a Georgetown coach there. The Georgetown coaches also know the lay of the land and many of the local players on on travel teams with players from outside the area, or they play on travel teams or are in private schools outside the area. They are looking at and talking (when the dates are right to be actually talking) to the local guys, but also there to get the word spread. There isn't any other local colleges there most of the time. The players chat about that as well.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 13:21:31 GMT -5
Listing to a lot of the D1 players who have come out of the DC area in the last few years and their decision process, their first objective is to get a way from home. They all had interest from Georgetown and if staying iin the DMV was a remote interest, or if they had a family issue and needed to be close to home Georgetown would be their top choice because Ewing is everywhere and talking to evreyone. Trying to recruit players to stay local and they want to see and live somewhere different to be their own person is hard. But, seeing older treammates and following them on Snapchat and Instagram, they really want that experiencee that is different from the DVM. They know the DMV, but they want to know more than the DMV. Many of the players are home in the summer talking and sharing stories of where they are. The question always comes up, are you happier you went away rather than stay in the DMV and it is a 100% yes. The other question that always comes up, is if you stayed local where would you go, and nearly to a player the answer is Georgetown. The issue isn't Georgetown isn't recruiting the DMV, it is players want to get a way from home and be their own person. This is perception, not reality. It’s a case (or kid) by case (kid) situation. What we know is that DMV hs coaches have pleaded with GU and Uof M coaches to do a better job of recruiting the local kids. What we know is that SJU can have a team full of NY area kids. I know the reality and am seeing it. I'm listing to the D1 players who are at the Big 5 teams and BE and elsewhere, who are going to the dance. This isn't perception this the word from the players talking. Many local coaches have players they would love to have recruited, but aren't up to the level of GU or Maryland. Look st the list of top DMV players and who has offers from GU and it is nealry all the top players and some below that level. You see the Hoya coaches all over the place locally. That is reality, not perception.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2021 13:26:17 GMT -5
This is perception, not reality. It’s a case (or kid) by case (kid) situation. What we know is that DMV hs coaches have pleaded with GU and Uof M coaches to do a better job of recruiting the local kids. What we know is that SJU can have a team full of NY area kids. I know the reality and am seeing it. I'm listing to the D1 players who are at the Big 5 teams and BE and elsewhere, who are going to the dance. This isn't perception this the word from the players talking. Many local coaches have players they would love to have recruited, but aren't up to the level of GU or Maryland. Look st the list of top DMV players and who has offers from GU and it is nealry all the top players and some below that level. You see the Hoya coaches all over the place locally. That is reality, not perception. The reality is that Ewing's had 5 recruiting cycles and has brought in exactly one highly recruited player from the DMV - Aminu Mohammed - who's a 1-and-done that wasn't recruited by a lot of top programs.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2021 13:42:12 GMT -5
This is perception, not reality. It’s a case (or kid) by case (kid) situation. What we know is that DMV hs coaches have pleaded with GU and Uof M coaches to do a better job of recruiting the local kids. What we know is that SJU can have a team full of NY area kids. I know the reality and am seeing it. I'm listing to the D1 players who are at the Big 5 teams and BE and elsewhere, who are going to the dance. This isn't perception this the word from the players talking. Many local coaches have players they would love to have recruited, but aren't up to the level of GU or Maryland. Look st the list of top DMV players and who has offers from GU and it is nealry all the top players and some below that level. You see the Hoya coaches all over the place locally. That is reality, not perception. Sounds like you talk to some kids. I go by what some of the athletes and coaches post. Which kid was it who said he wasn’t recruited hard enough by GU and UM? That both could be better if they did a better job of DMV recruiting?
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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 13:53:14 GMT -5
I know the reality and am seeing it. I'm listing to the D1 players who are at the Big 5 teams and BE and elsewhere, who are going to the dance. This isn't perception this the word from the players talking. Many local coaches have players they would love to have recruited, but aren't up to the level of GU or Maryland. Look st the list of top DMV players and who has offers from GU and it is nealry all the top players and some below that level. You see the Hoya coaches all over the place locally. That is reality, not perception. Sounds like you talk to some kids. I go by what some of the athletes and coaches post. Which kid was it who said he wasn’t recruited hard enough by GU and UM? That both could be better if they did a better job of DMV recruiting? Which players are you talking about? I know JTIII his last few years were a bit soft in the DMV, but Ronny was everywhere and talking to players. I know players during that time who could have had interest. But, also didn't have interest in playing the style of ball JTII was running. I'm mostly chatting with local coaches (schools and travel) and players (covering those graduated college in the past 2 to 4 years and coming out of middle school). Also sticking to NCAA rules to not cross those.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2021 14:00:26 GMT -5
Sounds like you talk to some kids. I go by what some of the athletes and coaches post. Which kid was it who said he wasn’t recruited hard enough by GU and UM? That both could be better if they did a better job of DMV recruiting? Which players are you talking about? I know JTIII his last few years were a bit soft in the DMV, but Ronny was everywhere and talking to players. I know players during that time who could have had interest. But, also didn't have interest in playing the style of ball JTII was running. I'm mostly chatting with local coaches (schools and travel) and players (covering those graduated college in the past 2 to 4 years and coming out of middle school). Also sticking to NCAA rules to not cross those. It’s somewhere in the recruiting thread, but I don’t have time to look. I think one of them was Rice (not Kaiden).
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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 14:19:48 GMT -5
Which players are you talking about? I know JTIII his last few years were a bit soft in the DMV, but Ronny was everywhere and talking to players. I know players during that time who could have had interest. But, also didn't have interest in playing the style of ball JTII was running. I'm mostly chatting with local coaches (schools and travel) and players (covering those graduated college in the past 2 to 4 years and coming out of middle school). Also sticking to NCAA rules to not cross those. It’s somewhere in the recruiting thread, but I don’t have time to look. I think one of them was Rice (not Kaiden). Ah, Rodney Rice. I know this Hoya staff was working on him. I've seen them at his games. Rice was injured 2019 when he was at Bullis and there were no public summer runs that year. Rice shows at local private runs where coaches are around. I know Hoyas went to go see Rice when he moved to Damatha. No idea what the Hoya's prioritization is.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 17:43:24 GMT -5
When you look at numbers, there are 15 to 30 top level D1 players in the DMV each year. Maybe 2 to 5 of them will consider a local team. Those giving preference to a local team, maybe 1.
The discussion makes it sound like every player who is from the DMV will stay or even half.
On the Hoyas current roster there are 3 players with local ties and all left the area and came back. Maryland has 2 (one, Wahab came through Georgetown). GW has 2. That is covering all the years, not each year.
Putting an emphasis on DMV players is a thin recruiting option, but Hoyas seem to have it covered relatively well for those players who would potentially stay home. Georgetown had a player committed who didn't really want to stay in the DMV and decommitted and went elsewhere. His parents had strong interest in him staying local, his local team was Georgetown, but he really didn't want to stay local for college at all. It had nothing to do with Georgetown and everything to do about willing to stay local.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 30, 2021 23:37:14 GMT -5
Listing to a lot of the D1 players who have come out of the DC area in the last few years and their decision process, their first objective is to get a way from home. They all had interest from Georgetown and if staying iin the DMV was a remote interest, or if they had a family issue and needed to be close to home Georgetown would be their top choice because Ewing is everywhere and talking to evreyone. Trying to recruit players to stay local and they want to see and live somewhere different to be their own person is hard. But, seeing older treammates and following them on Snapchat and Instagram, they really want that experiencee that is different from the DVM. They know the DMV, but they want to know more than the DMV. Many of the players are home in the summer talking and sharing stories of where they are. The question always comes up, are you happier you went away rather than stay in the DMV and it is a 100% yes. The other question that always comes up, is if you stayed local where would you go, and nearly to a player the answer is Georgetown. The issue isn't Georgetown isn't recruiting the DMV, it is players want to get a way from home and be their own person. I fully agree with that! They see each other and plenty of home in the summer. It might be different for some if we were really kicking butt and taking names.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 1, 2021 9:16:57 GMT -5
If we win, more kids will want to stay local. Playing environment really has to be a factor and we have to be frank, ours isn't good except on prime weekend games. Winning will help with that some. For the coaches, it probably is as much about getting to the "no" as anything else. Figure out who is even entertaining staying in town and if not, move on.
I remember receiving football recruiting letters early on from Navy & Army. One of the first questions they asked was would you consider attending as service academy. The answer was a quick no, and I never heard from them again. Smart strategy and I am guessing our coaches use it some. Our best teams have featured Ewing (not from DC), Mourning/Mutombo (not from DC), Iverson/White/Harrington/Spencer (not from DC), Porter (not from DC). I get I am cherry picking but even Reggie Williams was from Bmore. We have had a number of DC adjacent kids that aren't from the metro area and that is a bit different.
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Post by hoyadestroya87 on Dec 1, 2021 14:33:15 GMT -5
Don’t believe anyone is suggesting DC only but rather DMV which certainly includes Baltimore and Norfolk/Richmond/HR. This Board knows historically the super-stars we’ve recruited from the DMV geography. And, I don’t believe anyone is suggesting DMV only… rather some DMV.
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 1, 2021 19:27:20 GMT -5
Do you ever take someone from the DMV to build a pipeline when you think someone else would clearly be a better player? How does that math work, do our coaches think that way and, if not, should they?
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 1, 2021 19:39:23 GMT -5
Do you ever take someone from the DMV to build a pipeline when you think someone else would clearly be a better player? How does that math work, do our coaches think that way and, if not, should they? This depends on the criteria for "clearly be a better player." As someone who is very distressed about our (lack of) DMV recruiting, I would prefer a decent, three-star coachable DMV player from a winning program who would likely stick around to a one and done from someplace else. I see no reason to recruit three to four year bench warmers, but there is a lot to be said for local, likely four-year players who will grow into their positions as future starters--as used to be the case. They provide a good deal of ballast to counter the constant turnover, and allow us to ease into recruiting high-end local players. I would have no problem if the roster was basically full of DMV's supplemented by 2-3 others. We need that identity and fan base.
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