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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 7, 2020 14:29:39 GMT -5
Interesting thread, I agree with a lot of what Freeman & Wright are saying... This part is true too: A young hungry guy with connections from their playing days would be great. I still think it was a mistake getting rid of PEJr especially since he was on staff before his father was hired.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jun 7, 2020 14:43:59 GMT -5
Interesting thread, I agree with a lot of what Freeman & Wright are saying... This part is true too: A young hungry guy with connections from their playing days would be great. I still think it was a mistake getting rid of PEJr especially since he was on staff before his father was hired. Let's see if Big Pat would be on board to inject some youth into the coaching staff.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 7, 2020 14:58:13 GMT -5
This part is true too: A young hungry guy with connections from their playing days would be great. I still think it was a mistake getting rid of PEJr especially since he was on staff before his father was hired. Let's see if Big Pat would be on board to inject some youth into the coaching staff. Quoting you but a general question for those on the board, who would you replace? Orr, Waheed, or Kirby? Waheed is probably the easy answer but I think I would go with Orr. He was brought in as a mentor and college X&Os guy. At this point, I'd hope that Pat has the HC thing mostly down and could lean on his other professional contacts as mentors. It would be hard to replace Orr's X&Os experience but we would manage. That said, I'd guess Waheed. Unless he has a big impact in practice, his recruiting hasnt been enough since Blair.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jun 7, 2020 15:37:47 GMT -5
Let's see if Big Pat would be on board to inject some youth into the coaching staff. Quoting you but a general question for those on the board, who would you replace? Orr, Waheed, or Kirby? Waheed is probably the easy answer but I think I would go with Orr. He was brought in as a mentor and college X&Os guy. At this point, I'd hope that Pat has the HC thing mostly down and could lean on his other professional contacts as mentors. It would be hard to replace Orr's X&Os experience but we would manage. That said, I'd guess Waheed. Unless he has a big impact in practice, his recruiting hasnt been enough since Blair. Waheed would have to look elsewhere if Big Pat is looking to upgrade in the recruiting department. Then again, Wright or Freeman could just stay in the AAU/HS circuit and make sure the pipeline is coming to GU's way with guys from DeMatha since Austin is on the coaching staff. Also, Wright could somehow influence the kids on his end to come to GU too. Slowly but surely GU can lock-down the talent pool in the DMV. Here's to wishful thinking
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Post by TC on Jun 7, 2020 15:51:26 GMT -5
Have Wright or Freeman done any coaching, or recruiting, or scouting before?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 7, 2020 16:07:45 GMT -5
Have Wright or Freeman done any coaching, or recruiting, or scouting before? In today’s conversation and highlighted in the Twitter summary Freeman mentioned he’s currently on staff at DeMatha.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jun 7, 2020 17:53:06 GMT -5
I think we need at least one and possibly two new assistants, and the lack of movement there is one of my biggest disappointments of the offseason. I also don't have an issue with the idea of giving one of those slots to a former player, as long as they are on a similar level to other candidates - however, even if we want to go that route, I have no idea if Wright or Freeman would be the best choices based on the limited coaching experience they have so far.
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Post by calhoya on Jun 7, 2020 18:11:21 GMT -5
Why focus on the assistants? They are Ewing's choices. Shouldn't Ewing be able to have the assistants he wants? I am not happy with recruiting and not happy with the lack of progress, but still believe as long as the school wants to proceed with Ewing as coach, he must be allowed to pick his team and his staff. Give this coaching staff one year to show significant progress. If they don't, you replace the entire staff. Going after the quality and effectiveness of assistants picked by the coach is avoiding the bigger question.
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Post by bornhoya on Jun 7, 2020 19:27:29 GMT -5
Ewing picked Orr and that was about it.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 7, 2020 21:10:56 GMT -5
Why focus on the assistants? They are Ewing's choices. Shouldn't Ewing be able to have the assistants he wants? I am not happy with recruiting and not happy with the lack of progress, but still believe as long as the school wants to proceed with Ewing as coach, he must be allowed to pick his team and his staff. Give this coaching staff one year to show significant progress. If they don't, you replace the entire staff. Going after the quality and effectiveness of assistants picked by the coach is avoiding the bigger question. In most cases, I'd completely agree with this statement but knowing that PE had zero college coaching/recruiting experience on his resume his assistant coaches take on greater importance in my view...
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Post by beenaround on Jun 7, 2020 22:36:11 GMT -5
Of course the assistants are Pats prerogative....but many of us would like to see some changes as recruiting needs to improve.
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 8, 2020 7:24:14 GMT -5
Unfortunately we’ll never know if there were any plans for a shakeup pre COVID, but I have to think Orr isn’t here long term given his age. I honestly thought he was only going to be here 1-2 years originally to help Patrick transition, but obviously he’s decided to stay longer. For better or worse, given their relationship I think Orr is here as long as he wants to be, as I can’t see Patrick pushing out his friend.
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Post by bornhoya on Jun 8, 2020 8:20:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately we’ll never know if there were any plans for a shakeup pre COVID, but I have to think Orr isn’t here long term given his age. I honestly thought he was only going to be here 1-2 years originally to help Patrick transition, but obviously he’s decided to stay longer. For better or worse, given their relationship I think Orr is here as long as he wants to be, as I can’t see Patrick pushing out his friend. Which is a bad thing that he couldn’t
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Post by s4hoyas on Jun 8, 2020 8:34:31 GMT -5
I'd love to see Fran Friscilla hired as an Assistant with international recruiting responsibility...Georgetown has an excellent reputation internationally and to be able to add impact players like Gonzaga, Arizona, etc. would be huge...
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 8, 2020 8:42:51 GMT -5
Okay, now I get your point. And yes, the admin and the program absolutely need to do a better job by about 1000% of valuing the fans of all levels. I'm 100% in agreement here. I've posted about this previously, but I think it's the kind of thing that this program needs to open up to: My father is a Villanova alum. Every year when Nova plays the Hoyas in DC, he comes to the game with me. He gets invited to the Villanova alumni club pre-game event. He doesn't always go, but you know who's always there? Jay Wright. He pops in for 5 minutes an hour before the game, says a few words, thanks everyone for their support, and scurries back to the locker room. He's done it when his team was good, and he's done it when his team was bad. These things matter to fans. I hope that Patrick understands that. Butler does this too. They have a hospitality suite below Hinkle with drinks/snacks and either the head coach or assistant comes in, gives a quick run down, thanks everyone and is out. Very easy to do.
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Post by teddy2016 on Jun 8, 2020 9:03:41 GMT -5
Coach Ewing has done a great job as our leader and its his decision to build and maintain a support staff and infrastructure necessary to compete in BE hoops. it also can be argued in light of the social injustices plaguing our country -that millions are protesting, Coach Ewing is the best possible leader GU can have at this time. our w/L record should take a back seat- particularly this year. nobody knows more about not getting due respect (as an African American) than Coach Ewing. all the years he toiled as an assistant in NBA and never getting a shot as HC (talk about racism) and even today - look at the knicks (where his # is retired and is arguably the best player in franchise history) - they need a new head coach (again) and his name isn't even mentioned other than 'possibly' as an assistant. what a travesty. This is a point in time, GU under Coach Ewing can shine - and its not about making the tournament - its a far more important contest being fought - - and we can be a champion
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 8, 2020 9:05:50 GMT -5
I'm 100% in agreement here. I've posted about this previously, but I think it's the kind of thing that this program needs to open up to: My father is a Villanova alum. Every year when Nova plays the Hoyas in DC, he comes to the game with me. He gets invited to the Villanova alumni club pre-game event. He doesn't always go, but you know who's always there? Jay Wright. He pops in for 5 minutes an hour before the game, says a few words, thanks everyone for their support, and scurries back to the locker room. He's done it when his team was good, and he's done it when his team was bad. These things matter to fans. I hope that Patrick understands that. Butler does this too. They have a hospitality suite below Hinkle with drinks/snacks and either the head coach or assistant comes in, gives a quick run down, thanks everyone and is out. Very easy to do. In the old days (1970s and early 1980s) Pops and the team would usually show up at postgame receptions at road gamea where we had a big alumni presence (Nova, BC, Provy, St. Johns) and the pep band would play. Pops would make a few remarks, encourage alums to talk with the players instead of asking for autographs. It was a different world.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 8, 2020 9:36:13 GMT -5
Ewing picked Orr and that was about it. This definitely seems to be true of his initial staff, outside of Orr they all had prior Gtown experience but no prior connection to PE... PE spent 30+ years in the NBA, the last 14 of it coaching but he didn't bring one NBA person with him to Gtown, this differs greatly from other NBA alums like Mullin, Hardaway, Stackhouse, Marjle & Howard... Add to this not waiving the nepotism rule for PE Jr. even though nepotism didn't get him the job makes me wonder if he did have full autonomy in choosing his staff...
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 8, 2020 9:54:02 GMT -5
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jun 8, 2020 10:55:48 GMT -5
Recruiting needs a lot of help, but I also wouldn't discount the need for some improvements on the X's/O's and scheme front. A fresh perspective is sorely needed on that front if those improvements cannot be currently found internally.
Hoping Austin is picking up some modern defensive principles at DeMatha that will be effective in today's college game.
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