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Post by TC on May 18, 2020 9:49:10 GMT -5
Strickland is actually not a terrible idea. He was an asst at Kentucky and Memphis under Caliperi + works for NBA G league now. Not sure about him as a recruiter, though he might be ok, but certainly knows how to play pg. Not sure what he'd think of Gtwn asst job. Hiring celebrity ex-players is a terrible idea, hiring Ewing's friends is a terrible idea, and hiring anyone who worked for Calipari is a terrible idea.
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Post by guru on May 18, 2020 10:15:14 GMT -5
Strickland is actually not a terrible idea. He was an asst at Kentucky and Memphis under Caliperi + works for NBA G league now. Not sure about him as a recruiter, though he might be ok, but certainly knows how to play pg. Not sure what he'd think of Gtwn asst job. Hiring celebrity ex-players is a terrible idea, hiring Ewing's friends is a terrible idea, and hiring anyone who worked for Calipari is a terrible idea. The JT3-huggers are out in force these days.
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Post by TC on May 18, 2020 11:05:27 GMT -5
I know it's a crazy idea but we might want to consider hiring people who have done X job before and have been successful at it at the college level.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 18, 2020 11:23:17 GMT -5
I know it's a crazy idea but we might want to consider hiring people who have done X job before and have been successful at it at the college level. I guess that means we'd better hope JTII wants to come back.
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Post by kghoya on May 18, 2020 11:31:48 GMT -5
I know it's a crazy idea but we might want to consider hiring people who have done X job before and have been successful at it at the college level. I guess that means we'd better hope JTII wants to come back. There's always Ronny. Never mind. Missed the successful addition.
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Post by EtomicB on May 18, 2020 11:48:47 GMT -5
I know it's a crazy idea but we might want to consider hiring people who have done X job before and have been successful at it at the college level. Probably should have ponied up for Karl Hobbs, he's done a good job helping Pikiell get Rutgers going in the right direction...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 18, 2020 13:40:56 GMT -5
Keep pushing, Coach. You continue to do your job. As an educator and mentor to young people, I live by three simple rules: 1. Firm 2. Consistent 3. Fair Kids nowadays are extremely fickle. They have their own ideas and thoughts about who they are and their worth. We have to create that caring environment and structure for them and let them make up their own minds whether what you are selling is what they want and need. And then there are the external forces weighing on these kids. As others have already said, when all of us were young and kids we looked at grown ups as oftentimes being different, out of touch, too old school, etc. That's basically a rite of passage for a lot of people, so I really do not want to hear how kids are different. Of course, they are. So is the world. I grew up without a smart phone, Netflix, etc., and was among the last college graduating classes without social media. And my father grew up without computers and the Internet, and had a 12 inch TV that was big for that era. And my grandfather grew up without television and was born just before the Great Depression. The fact is kids grow up in significantly different circumstances purely based on the change of times. That said, to succeed at college basketball in 2020 you need to recruit "kids nowadays." By definition. So, either Ewing needs to figure out how to recruit them, or he is going to fail. Sure, there will always be some small set of kids who actually like an older school approach, and I have no doubt that Ewing has connected well with guys like Trey Dickerson. The problem is that you can't just say "well, recruit the guys who fit our approach," if that excludes 90% of basketball players. That's a recipe for losing. It's 2020 and our coaching staff needs to act like it. If their approach does not resonate with "kids nowadays," we will have to find somebody who can put in place a new approach. To be fair, I have no idea whether Ewing does or does not relate to kids well, but losing 8 kids in three years, including starter level players (and McClung's comments) make me think it is a problem.
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Post by hoyaroc on May 18, 2020 20:37:52 GMT -5
Keep pushing, Coach. You continue to do your job. As an educator and mentor to young people, I live by three simple rules: 1. Firm 2. Consistent 3. Fair Kids nowadays are extremely fickle. They have their own ideas and thoughts about who they are and their worth. We have to create that caring environment and structure for them and let them make up their own minds whether what you are selling is what they want and need. And then there are the external forces weighing on these kids. As others have already said, when all of us were young and kids we looked at grown ups as oftentimes being different, out of touch, too old school, etc. That's basically a rite of passage for a lot of people, so I really do not want to hear how kids are different. Of course, they are. So is the world. I grew up without a smart phone, Netflix, etc., and was among the last college graduating classes without social media. And my father grew up without computers and the Internet, and had a 12 inch TV that was big for that era. And my grandfather grew up without television and was born just before the Great Depression. The fact is kids grow up in significantly different circumstances purely based on the change of times. That said, to succeed at college basketball in 2020 you need to recruit "kids nowadays." By definition. So, either Ewing needs to figure out how to recruit them, or he is going to fail. Sure, there will always be some small set of kids who actually like an older school approach, and I have no doubt that Ewing has connected well with guys like Trey Dickerson. The problem is that you can't just say "well, recruit the guys who fit our approach," if that excludes 90% of basketball players. That's a recipe for losing. It's 2020 and our coaching staff needs to act like it. If their approach does not resonate with "kids nowadays," we will have to find somebody who can put in place a new approach. To be fair, I have no idea whether Ewing does or does not relate to kids well, but losing 8 kids in three years, including starter level players (and McClung's comments) make me think it is a problem. McClung comments were not negative in regards to coach Ewing. Unless he’s not telling the truth about coach Ewing motivating him to be a better player.
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Post by reformation on May 18, 2020 20:46:19 GMT -5
Hobbs played with Ewing in HS-suspect he would have reached out if he thought he would add value. Ewing might think that since he worked with Kemba Walker he doesn't need any help or credentials in the area.
I would assume that Strickland worked with Pg's at Kentucky btw. Have no idea if he'd actually be any good asst coach: casual observation seems to indicate we could use help recruiting the position and he was an interesting thought by whoever thought of it.
I generally agree that we should try to hire people with a good relevant track record, but a lot of the time one doesn't have the luxury of choice. It would pretty easy to say for ex don't recruit guys kicked out of LSU either. Not trying to be unfair to Alexander but, sometimes you take a risk and it doesn't work out. Obviously if all we are doing is taking recruiting coaching longshots that is not likely to work either.
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Post by EtomicB on May 18, 2020 22:07:54 GMT -5
Hobbs played with Ewing in HS-suspect he would have reached out if he thought he would add value. Ewing might think that since he worked with Kemba Walker he doesn't need any help or credentials in the area. I would assume that Strickland worked with Pg's at Kentucky btw. Have no idea if he'd actually be any good asst coach: casual observation seems to indicate we could use help recruiting the position and he was an interesting thought by whoever thought of it. I generally agree that we should try to hire people with a good relevant track record, but a lot of the time one doesn't have the luxury of choice. It would pretty easy to say for ex don't recruit guys kicked out of LSU either. Not trying to be unfair to Alexander but, sometimes you take a risk and it doesn't work out. Obviously if all we are doing is taking recruiting coaching longshots that is not likely to work either. The reports were that Hobbs met with PE during the assistant coach search.
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Post by cindad on May 19, 2020 5:25:31 GMT -5
Strickland is actually not a terrible idea. He was an asst at Kentucky and Memphis under Caliperi + works for NBA G league now. Not sure about him as a recruiter, though he might be ok, but certainly knows how to play pg. Not sure what he'd think of Gtwn asst job. Strickland has a ton of baggage personally though. IDK if GU wants to associate with someone like that esp at the coaches level. I can see a place like UK or Memphis. But GU being a religious school and based on how they reacted to the situation with student-athletes...IDK if that is a fit.
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Post by reformation on May 19, 2020 9:31:45 GMT -5
Agree, hard to say. Came out of tough area of South Bronx, had rep for having bad attitude as a player. Had a few Dui's , though went back and got his college degree a few years ago and has a responsible job in NBA-could look at it either way--Hard to really know what he's actually like now.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 19, 2020 9:44:16 GMT -5
Basing your strategy on recruiting high level talent, when Georgetown is disadvantaged in this area by both recent lack of success but also in the long term by University choices, is a mistake. I'm not saying you never try to recruit high level players; I'm saying you don't pick your coaching staff on the premise. I'm not saying you can't overcome that; you can.
But when you are starting where we are, and you want to stay relatively clean ... you need to build up with actual strong coaching and quality play. Teams that are greater than the sum of their parts; players that develop over time. You need to be the team that uses cohesion and experience against the teams with more talent that wants to leave early. Jay Wright and Villanova broke through after years of mediocrity because they finally found the right combination of players.
We simply need to find a good coach (and I am not writing off Ewing). Eventually the players come then. Trying to shortcut is giving us the same results over and over again. Early exit -- either through transfer or heading to the pros even if not ready -- has killed us as much as anything.
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Post by hoyaroc on May 19, 2020 14:51:02 GMT -5
Basing your strategy on recruiting high level talent, when Georgetown is disadvantaged in this area by both recent lack of success but also in the long term by University choices, is a mistake. I'm not saying you never try to recruit high level players; I'm saying you don't pick your coaching staff on the premise. I'm not saying you can't overcome that; you can. But when you are starting where we are, and you want to stay relatively clean ... you need to build up with actual strong coaching and quality play. Teams that are greater than the sum of their parts; players that develop over time. You need to be the team that uses cohesion and experience against the teams with more talent that wants to leave early. Jay Wright and Villanova broke through after years of mediocrity because they finally found the right combination of players. We simply need to find a good coach (and I am not writing off Ewing). Eventually the players come then. Trying to shortcut is giving us the same results over and over again. Early exit -- either through transfer or heading to the pros even if not ready -- has killed us as much as anything. If you are not writing off Ewing, don’t make a statement “We simply need to find a good coach”. Support our current coach 100% we have the upcoming season to dissect his coaching.
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Post by reformation on May 19, 2020 15:52:24 GMT -5
Help Ewing by getting him some extra help to shoulder the coaching & recruiting. Its hard to pull off alone. I kind of feel like it was with the Knicks. He could be great but did not have a ton of talent around him.
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Post by hsaxon on May 19, 2020 17:15:21 GMT -5
Are you saying he needs some new assistants?
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Post by reformation on May 19, 2020 17:54:18 GMT -5
Adding a assistant that can add value in recruiting player/dev might help regain some momentum, help change a challenging narrative, so yes
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 19, 2020 18:17:09 GMT -5
Need a younger recruiter with local ties.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 19, 2020 19:05:37 GMT -5
Basing your strategy on recruiting high level talent, when Georgetown is disadvantaged in this area by both recent lack of success but also in the long term by University choices, is a mistake. I'm not saying you never try to recruit high level players; I'm saying you don't pick your coaching staff on the premise. I'm not saying you can't overcome that; you can. But when you are starting where we are, and you want to stay relatively clean ... you need to build up with actual strong coaching and quality play. Teams that are greater than the sum of their parts; players that develop over time. You need to be the team that uses cohesion and experience against the teams with more talent that wants to leave early. Jay Wright and Villanova broke through after years of mediocrity because they finally found the right combination of players. We simply need to find a good coach (and I am not writing off Ewing). Eventually the players come then. Trying to shortcut is giving us the same results over and over again. Early exit -- either through transfer or heading to the pros even if not ready -- has killed us as much as anything. If you are not writing off Ewing, don’t make a statement “We simply need to find a good coach”. Support our current coach 100% we have the upcoming season to dissect his coaching. I didn't mean it that way, though I understand it reads that way. What I mean is, we need our coach to be an effective coach first and recruiter second. They need to be someone who can outperform their peers on player development and team execution. I don't know if Ewing is that person. He hasn't proven he is, but he hasn't proven he isn't. The team looked to be on a positive trajectory -- and even after the initial wave of defections this year -- really looked like a team that could play better than the sum of their parts. But there was initially so little talent ... and then massive disruption, it's really tough to tell how good he is. He's clearly not a savant. But few are. At this point, we need coachable players who will work hard, play within the team concept, and don't have aspirations well above their talent level. They need to be talented, of course, but we're not in a position to get everything. I just want Ewing to have a chance of cohesion. We haven't had real stability since JTIII was winning. And even then, there were probably more transfers than we'd like. But it's an underrated piece of the puzzle, and I'd rather get guys who will be juniors and seniors at Georgetown than a constant string of talented underclassmen who leave ... because the latter almost always underperform when it comes to wins and losses at the talent level Georgetown can get.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 19, 2020 19:09:25 GMT -5
Are you saying he needs some new assistants? I don't know if you were asking me but I have a different answer from the prior poster who answered. I don't know if he needs new assistants. But if I were to add one, my first focus would not be on recruiting. It would be on a defensive specialist. I don't think Ewing is a bad X's and O's guy, but we need a defensive identity and we haven't had one. I think Ewing's offense is find, Xs and Os wise, though I wouldn't mind some more expertise there. Whether it's Havoc-era VCU or the pack line or whatever ... let's create an advantage through execution. Become known for something. Become hard to handle in a tournament setting again. Trying to compete primarily on talent as Georgetown is a massive mistake.
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