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Post by drquigley on Apr 8, 2017 11:47:13 GMT -5
This whole Ewing/Waters thing is truly amazing, ridiculous, huge, overblown (pick one). I assume we are all grown men. How crazy is it that we are obsessing over this. Oh well, it sure beats worrying about our President's next move in the Middle East or rising CO2 levels. That said, how this visit turns out will say a lot about the recruiting power of PE and conversely how toxic JT3's recruiting efforts had become.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 8, 2017 11:49:01 GMT -5
This whole Ewing/Waters thing is truly amazing, ridiculous, huge, overblown (pick one). I assume we are all grown men. How crazy is it that we are obsessing over this. Oh well, it sure beats worrying about our President's next move in the Middle East or rising CO2 levels. That said, how this visit turns out will say a lot about the recruiting power of PE and conversely how toxic JT3's recruiting efforts had become. There are more than a few grown women that post here too.
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Post by joey0403p on Apr 8, 2017 13:26:28 GMT -5
This whole Ewing/Waters thing is truly amazing, ridiculous, huge, overblown (pick one). I assume we are all grown men. How crazy is it that we are obsessing over this. Oh well, it sure beats worrying about our President's next move in the Middle East or rising CO2 levels. That said, how this visit turns out will say a lot about the recruiting power of PE and conversely how toxic JT3's recruiting efforts had become. There are more than a few grown women that post here too. BURN. But seriously. I think people (at least me) are excited about the waters thing because if pat gets him to change his mind it will alleviate a lot of the concerns (how is he going to recruit? 18 year olds don't know him!! etc) and fast. Instantly everyone can look to this one small instance and say - look he can recruit at least a little and he hasn't even really started yet. The reality is if waters goes elsewhere, that's ok. It's hard for one kid to save a program. Based on what people say about the type of player he is, it seems like he would certainly help- buts it's an aweful lot of pressure for one kid. And if pat doesn't get him - I don't think detractors can really point to it as evidence that he can't recruit because waters was gone and probably didn't want to be here once everyone left. There really isn't any downside - but there is a lot of upside - and that is just talking about us, not the actual team.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 8, 2017 13:36:24 GMT -5
This whole Ewing/Waters thing is truly amazing, ridiculous, huge, overblown (pick one). I assume we are all grown men. How crazy is it that we are obsessing over this. Oh well, it sure beats worrying about our President's next move in the Middle East or rising CO2 levels. That said, how this visit turns out will say a lot about the recruiting power of PE and conversely how toxic JT3's recruiting efforts had become. I don't know--if Patrick saves this, I agree that it speaks extremely well of him, but not saving doesn't say much of anything. And while Waters' decommit says something about the general state of the program under III, I think matters had proceeded beyond III's control by the time Tremont chose to decommit.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 8, 2017 16:11:42 GMT -5
This whole Ewing/Waters thing is truly amazing, ridiculous, huge, overblown (pick one). I assume we are all grown men. How crazy is it that we are obsessing over this. Oh well, it sure beats worrying about our President's next move in the Middle East or rising CO2 levels. That said, how this visit turns out will say a lot about the recruiting power of PE and conversely how toxic JT3's recruiting efforts had become. There are more than a few grown women that post here too. I apologize. To think that there are women on this blog who are as crazy as us men is truly depressing.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 8, 2017 17:00:39 GMT -5
There are more than a few grown women that post here too. I apologize. To think that there are women on this blog who are as crazy as us men is truly depressing. No apology needed I was just being snarky. However, it never hurts to remind us men that all real women are Hoya Hoop fans.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 8, 2017 20:30:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry much about kids not "knowing" Ewing. This is the information age, and just like anyone playing today, if a kid wanted to study a player, they would have to resort to going to YouTube or other media outlets to pull game film or highlights. There is no difference other than the kid not seeing a live game. Please believe these kids know who Ewing is.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 8, 2017 20:43:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry much about kids not "knowing" Ewing. This is the information age, and just like anyone playing today, if a kid wanted to study a player, they would have to resort to going to YouTube or other media outlets to pull game film or highlights. There is no difference other than the kid not seeing a live game. Please believe these kids know who Ewing is. The key to what folks don't know about him yet is what type of coach/teacher will he be.. As much as I want him to succeed, I have to admit that's a big hurdle to get past right now..
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 8, 2017 21:03:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry much about kids not "knowing" Ewing. This is the information age, and just like anyone playing today, if a kid wanted to study a player, they would have to resort to going to YouTube or other media outlets to pull game film or highlights. There is no difference other than the kid not seeing a live game. Please believe these kids know who Ewing is. The key to what folks don't know about him yet is what type of coach/teacher will he be.. As much as I want him to succeed, I have to admit that's a big hurdle to get past right now.. His success as a player, his experience and vast knowledge of the game as a coach, his work ethic, and demeanor leads me to believe he will be just fine. Additionally, he has experience dealing with youngsters, as some of the guys he has coached are younger than some of the kids we have on staff. My only concern is getting the recruiting rolling in the right direction. I believe once it starts, it's going to continue in a very positive way. I just want to see it get started. We cannot win with the caliber of guys we have outside Govan and Derrickson. Hopefully he can broadcast his new, up tempo, contemporary style of play to attract big time talent.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 8, 2017 22:36:21 GMT -5
The key to what folks don't know about him yet is what type of coach/teacher will he be.. As much as I want him to succeed, I have to admit that's a big hurdle to get past right now.. His success as a player, his experience and vast knowledge of the game as a coach, his work ethic, and demeanor leads me to believe he will be just fine. Additionally, he has experience dealing with youngsters, as some of the guys he has coached are younger than some of the kids we have on staff. My only concern is getting the recruiting rolling in the right direction. I believe once it starts, it's going to continue in a very positive way. I just want to see it get started. We cannot win with the caliber of guys we have outside Govan and Derrickson. Hopefully he can broadcast his new, up tempo, contemporary style of play to attract big time talent. To me there's big difference between believing & knowing..
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 8, 2017 22:55:07 GMT -5
His success as a player, his experience and vast knowledge of the game as a coach, his work ethic, and demeanor leads me to believe he will be just fine. Additionally, he has experience dealing with youngsters, as some of the guys he has coached are younger than some of the kids we have on staff. My only concern is getting the recruiting rolling in the right direction. I believe once it starts, it's going to continue in a very positive way. I just want to see it get started. We cannot win with the caliber of guys we have outside Govan and Derrickson. Hopefully he can broadcast his new, up tempo, contemporary style of play to attract big time talent. To me there's big difference between believing & knowing.. You wouldn't "know" how anyone would do here, anyone, college coach or not. If you're that good how about some lottery numbers? Any of the coaches that didn't turn us down were also major gambles. Ewing's the coach now. Get over it and get with it. The constant complaining about it will change absolutely nothing.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 9, 2017 10:01:43 GMT -5
Jackie MacMullin just now on The Sports Reporters said Ewing spent Friday in New Haven recruiting Waters and told her he is putting together a staff who would "eat, sleep and dream recruiting."
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 9, 2017 10:34:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry much about kids not "knowing" Ewing. This is the information age, and just like anyone playing today, if a kid wanted to study a player, they would have to resort to going to YouTube or other media outlets to pull game film or highlights. There is no difference other than the kid not seeing a live game. Please believe these kids know who Ewing is. I think Patrick's experience as an NBA assistant will help a lot in recruiting pitches, but I don't buy the idea that kids who are not wowed by his name will suddenly become enthralled by watching YouTube videos. I think either they know enough about the history of the game to be blown away by his presence, or they don't. If someone has to tell them to go look at videos, that battle is already lost. Basically, I don't think specific highlight reels will convince kids who weren't already impressed by the fact that Patrick Ewing is recruiting them that they should be so impressed. That said, as I mentioned above, I think his NBA playing and coaching experience will be a great selling point, regardless of whether a recruit is preconditioned to be in awe of him. Whether he can capitalize on it is yet to be seen, but I'm willing to be optimistic. I just disagree with the idea that "go look me up" is an effective tool. But then again, who cares what I think--he's not recruiting me. Speaking of YouTube, does anyone have a link to a good highlight reel of Patrick's days at Georgetown? I know that televised games weren't ubiquitous when he played, but I've been surprised by the dearth of good Ewing compilations in my recent searches.
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Post by 95hoya on Apr 9, 2017 11:23:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure how the staff isn't already in place. Typically a coach knows who is going to be on his staff before he's hired. That's a big part of the interview process.
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Post by Thomas on Apr 9, 2017 11:35:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry much about kids not "knowing" Ewing. This is the information age, and just like anyone playing today, if a kid wanted to study a player, they would have to resort to going to YouTube or other media outlets to pull game film or highlights. There is no difference other than the kid not seeing a live game. Please believe these kids know who Ewing is. I think Patrick's experience as an NBA assistant will help a lot in recruiting pitches, but I don't buy the idea that kids who are not wowed by his name will suddenly become enthralled by watching YouTube videos. I think either they know enough about the history of the game to be blown away by his presence, or they don't. If someone has to tell them to go look at videos, that battle is already lost. Basically, I don't think specific highlight reels will convince kids who weren't already impressed by the fact that Patrick Ewing is recruiting them that they should be so impressed. That said, as I mentioned above, I think his NBA playing and coaching experience will be a great selling point, regardless of whether a recruit is preconditioned to be in awe of him. Whether he can capitalize on it is yet to be seen, but I'm willing to be optimistic. I just disagree with the idea that "go look me up" is an effective tool. But then again, who cares what I think--he's not recruiting me. Speaking of YouTube, does anyone have a link to a good highlight reel of Patrick's days at Georgetown? I know that televised games weren't ubiquitous when he played, but I've been surprised by the dearth of good Ewing compilations in my recent searches. Yeah, there is a LOT of video of prime, big-time Patrick Ewing with the Knicks on youtube. I haven't seen many highlight reel videos of Ewing's Georgetown days on youtube, but there are a surprisingly high number of his games on youtube. I've posted one down below that isn't aired on ESPN Classic or MASN which seem to replay the same Georgetown games(84 and 85 Final 4 games) over and over again. For those of you who are old enough to remember 1984-1985 season, there is a good chance that many of you haven't seen this game since it aired. CTHoya08 mentioned he's already found a lot of Ewing's NBA compilations on youtube, but I had to share this highlight video of Patrick Ewing scoring 41 and grabbing 14 rebounds against Atlanta in December/1991.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 9, 2017 11:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 9, 2017 11:43:43 GMT -5
I think Patrick's experience as an NBA assistant will help a lot in recruiting pitches, but I don't buy the idea that kids who are not wowed by his name will suddenly become enthralled by watching YouTube videos. I think either they know enough about the history of the game to be blown away by his presence, or they don't. If someone has to tell them to go look at videos, that battle is already lost. Basically, I don't think specific highlight reels will convince kids who weren't already impressed by the fact that Patrick Ewing is recruiting them that they should be so impressed. That said, as I mentioned above, I think his NBA playing and coaching experience will be a great selling point, regardless of whether a recruit is preconditioned to be in awe of him. Whether he can capitalize on it is yet to be seen, but I'm willing to be optimistic. I just disagree with the idea that "go look me up" is an effective tool. But then again, who cares what I think--he's not recruiting me. Speaking of YouTube, does anyone have a link to a good highlight reel of Patrick's days at Georgetown? I know that televised games weren't ubiquitous when he played, but I've been surprised by the dearth of good Ewing compilations in my recent searches. Yeah, there is a LOT of video of prime, big-time Patrick Ewing with the Knicks on youtube. I haven't seen many highlight reel videos of Ewing's Georgetown days on youtube, but there are a surprisingly high number of his games on youtube. I've posted one down below that isn't aired on ESPN Classic or MASN which seem to replay the same Georgetown games(84 and 85 Final 4 games) over and over again. For those of you who are old enough to remember 1984-1985 season, there is a good chance that many of you haven't seen this game since it aired. CTHoya08 mentioned he's already found a lot of Ewing's NBA compilations on youtube, but I had to share this highlight video of Patrick Ewing scoring 41 and grabbing 14 rebounds against Atlanta in December/1991. Most people are going to remember him from the knicks because he played 15 seasons there as opposed to 4 at Georgetown.
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Post by TC on Apr 9, 2017 11:45:03 GMT -5
I'm sure you can find a lot of video on Isaiah Thomas and Clyde Drexler too.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 9, 2017 13:06:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure how the staff isn't already in place. Typically a coach knows who is going to be on his staff before he's hired. That's a big part of the interview process. Extremely common to take 2, 3 even 4 weeks to get your whole staff together. Do coaching prospects have people in mind during the interview process? Sure. But there are issues to be resolved that take time - salary, contracts, etc.
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Post by wnyhoya on Apr 9, 2017 13:22:18 GMT -5
Jackie MacMullin just now on The Sports Reporters said Ewing spent Friday in New Haven recruiting Waters and told her he is putting together a staff who would "eat, sleep and dream recruiting." If this is the case, take as much time as you need. Remember, next year is probably a lost cause so a few extra days right now shouldn't make that much of a difference. Let's get this right
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